(Very early) Transfer gossip/squad retention

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09/12/2013, 1:42 PM
CityRebel

Show us the money!!! :D Bizarre move for a guy looking to go to England.
09/12/2013, 1:49 PM
Louth4sam

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Originally Posted by CityRebel

Bizarre move for a guy looking to go to England.

Why so? The club now have four players from the team of the year who are 22 or younger including the three nominees for young player of the year. If he wants to get noticed by scouts Dundalk is the place to be.
09/12/2013, 1:53 PM
CityRebel

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Originally Posted by Louth4sam

Why so? The club now have four players from the team of the year who are 22 or younger including the three nominees for young player of the year. If he wants to get noticed by scouts Dundalk is the place to be.

Who's the last player ye sold to an English club?
09/12/2013, 1:54 PM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by CityRebel

Who's the last player ye sold to an English club?

Danny Kearns I think.
09/12/2013, 2:09 PM
White Horse

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Danny Kearns I think.

Ben McLaughlin to Everton during the summer of 2012 was the last one. Currently playing with Everton's U21s.
09/12/2013, 2:09 PM
Louth4sam

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Originally Posted by CityRebel

Who's the last player ye sold to an English club?

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Danny Kearns I think.

Ben McLaughlin to Everton.

Our record of bringing through youth has been pretty poor over past few years.
09/12/2013, 3:15 PM
sadloserkid

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Originally Posted by CityRebel

Bizarre move for a guy looking to go to England.

Maybe he's not as pushed about going to England as you believe? Maybe he just considers Dundalk a better career option than Cork at the moment?
09/12/2013, 3:51 PM
A face

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Originally Posted by Acer

This can't be true. Dundalk nearly went under a little over a year ago.

Even with the cited new sources of revenue, this is a recipe for disaster. Just have a horrible feeling its gonna be a headline for a good while in a year or two. Maybe not, fingers crossed, but either way its not sustainable.

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Originally Posted by Acer

Surely no team in the LOI is in a position to pay a 20k transfer fee.

It's not a transfer fee though.

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Originally Posted by sadloserkid

Newsflash: He's not. :)

Exactly, that's why i said if !!! ;)
09/12/2013, 4:30 PM
dundalkfc10

David McMillan signed for Dundalk, confirmed on our website
09/12/2013, 4:32 PM
Terry

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Originally Posted by sadloserkid

Maybe he's not as pushed about going to England as you believe? Maybe he just considers Dundalk a better career option than Cork at the moment?

Or that his friends John Mountney and Patrick Hoban plays there too
09/12/2013, 4:35 PM
White Horse

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Originally Posted by Terry

Or that his friends John Mountney and Patrick Hoban plays there too

Nice Galway connection building up in Oriel Park.
09/12/2013, 5:49 PM
Aaron

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Originally Posted by oriel

Just a few things re the Griffin 'transfer'

The fee was never agreed & Derry have still not paid us anything.

Also this will have to be settled in time for 2014 PD licence being awarded to Derry.

I don't imagine it will be huge money, but it will still need to be paid.

We wont be paying a fee, Dundalk ballsed up with his contract offer, hence we didnt need to pay compo
09/12/2013, 6:03 PM
Terry

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Originally Posted by White Horse

Nice Galway connection building up in Oriel Park.

And you could add Stephen O'Donnell to that also, I think ye let go Vinny Faherty if I'm right?
09/12/2013, 6:24 PM
oriel

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Originally Posted by Aaron

We wont be paying a fee, Dundalk ballsed up with his contract offer, hence we didnt need to pay compo

I heard this today, but appears to be nothing less than a loophole that Derry are hoping to expose, nothing has been decided yet re a fee, so this will still effect Derry's licence until a final decision is made.

Horgan transfer not a done deal just yet, will possibly be announced tomorrow, compensation is well below the 20k figure that has been suggested.
09/12/2013, 6:26 PM
oriel

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Originally Posted by Terry

And you could add Stephen O'Donnell to that also, I think ye let go Vinny Faherty if I'm right?

Faherty will not be re-signing.

Current Co Galway contingent in OP, is O'Donnell, Hoban, Mountney & Rossiter (who is moving to Galway to live !!) and possibly Horgan if that goes through.
09/12/2013, 6:58 PM
A N Mouse

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Originally Posted by oriel

I heard this today, but appears to be nothing less than a loophole that Derry are hoping to expose, nothing has been decided yet re a fee, so this will still effect Derry's licence until a final decision is made.

Horgan transfer not a done deal just yet, will possibly be announced tomorrow, compensation is well below the 20k figure that has been suggested.

It wouldn't be the first time Derry exploited this loophole.

Horgan would not be a transfer.

Other than that good to see negotiation, over compensation fees, has suddenly become acceptable in parts of louth.
10/12/2013, 9:02 AM
Acer

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Originally Posted by White Horse

Fans are questioning whether spending €20k is wisest use of the money, but it is still a relatively small part of our annual budget.

Our annual budget in 2013 to run the club was around €600k. It is probably going to be closer to €700k in 2014. The compensation payment to Cork will amount, at it's most, to less than 3% of our budget.

If Horgan goes on to have a great season, everyone will say the €20k was well spent, if he does a "Marc Griffin", they will say the opposite.

I don't understand your absolute aversion to compensation payments. Why single those out over player wages, number of coaches, or the number of players in a squad?

Fair point. If Dundalk are increasing their budget significantly then it's their prerogative to allocate it wherever they want. My 'absolute aversion' to transfer/compensation fees is that, in the past, it has indicated a financial recklessness by the club paying and it's usually followed by a * sitting beside the team's name in the table. Again, for a club that almost went under, it's a big gamble but I suppose it's their right to take it.
10/12/2013, 9:22 AM
disgruntled

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Originally Posted by oriel

I heard this today, but appears to be nothing less than a loophole that Derry are hoping to expose, nothing has been decided yet re a fee, so this will still effect Derry's licence until a final decision is made.

Horgan transfer not a done deal just yet, will possibly be announced tomorrow, compensation is well below the 20k figure that has been suggested.

Whatever the amount Dundalk seem to be spending quite a bit of money.
I hope they have it & are not just another League of Ireland club chasing the dream again.
League of Ireland history is full of dream chasers & it usually ends in tears.
Spending the money isn't the problem, its paying the invoices when they come in that's the problem.
10/12/2013, 9:23 AM
White Horse

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Originally Posted by Acer

Fair point. If Dundalk are increasing their budget significantly then it's their prerogative to allocate it wherever they want. My 'absolute aversion' to transfer/compensation fees is that, in the past, it has indicated a financial recklessness by the club paying and it's usually followed by a * sitting beside the team's name in the table. Again, for a club that almost went under, it's a big gamble but I suppose it's their right to take it.

My concern is increasing the budget on the basis of anticipated additional match day revenue as a result of increasing ticket prices by almost 50%.

Whether the increased budget is spent on compensation payments, additional players, or higher salaries is not that important.

I would be lying if I said I am not worried and that there are not risks involved. The additional costs are 100% certain to arise, not so the additional revenue.
10/12/2013, 9:28 AM
Dodge

Compensation is fairly complicated. It's based on age, wages, length of time with a club etc. That's if it goes to tribunal. Sligo and Salthill will also get a part of this payment (as it's a development fee, and they played their part in his development too)

Didn't Dundalk pay about 10k on the 2 lads from Mervue 2 years ago? That McCaffrey spoofer may just have been the worst manager the league has ever seen.
10/12/2013, 9:41 AM
Louth4sam

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Didn't Dundalk pay about 10k on the 2 lads from Mervue 2 years ago? That McCaffrey spoofer may just have been the worst manager the league has ever seen.

Was never actually announced but it was strongly rumoured 10k for three players. Mountney is the only one that is still with us and has the potential to be a top player in this league. We also had to pay compo to two local clubs over past few seasons for Marc Griffin and Johnny Breen. We played each in a friendly and gave them gate receipts.

And yes, yes he was. He tried to justify his poor performance that his wages were a lot lower than Fosters were and even tried to fight a fan during a game. Probably just behind Trever Anderson as Dundalk's worst manager ever
10/12/2013, 9:52 AM
Sligo Hoops.

Ryan and Quigley gone from Tallaght. So much for Rovers fielding a team in the 1st Division. At this rate they'll be lucky to put out a starting 11 ...
10/12/2013, 10:02 AM
A face

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Originally Posted by disgruntled

Spending the money isn't the problem, its paying the invoices when they come in that's the problem.

Its true, any club, literally any club can start spending money they don't have, its no great feat, the actual noteworthy accomplishment comes afterwards when a club can balance the books and continue to grow. I'd be more impressed if Dundalk were able to double their support year on year for 3-4 years ..... Now THAT would be impressive, that's the achievement that should turn heads.
10/12/2013, 11:01 AM
avvenalaf

Trevor Croly turning out to be the best Shams manager The BitoRed ever had.
10/12/2013, 11:01 AM
Louth4sam

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Originally Posted by A face

I'd be more impressed if Dundalk were able to double their support year on year for 3-4 years ..... Now THAT would be impressive, that's the achievement that should turn heads.

I will be very surprised if our attendances don't drop this season.

Just out of interest why the massive interest in Dundalk's finance? Have Elding, Rafter and Dennehey joined Cork because of their love of Beamish and Clonakilty pudding? Is former Irish international Colin Healy playing for free? Dundalk also couldn't get anywhere close to matching the contract offer to John Dunleavy last year. I'm sure we could go through most clubs and pick out high earners
10/12/2013, 11:09 AM
Sligo Hoops.

Rumour has it Quigley just seen on Church Hill ...
10/12/2013, 11:20 AM
avvenalaf

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Originally Posted by Sligo Hoops.

Rumour has it Quigley just seen on Church Hill ...

Barra heading for the N4 toll with 2.90 to get Quigs through.
10/12/2013, 11:52 AM
Nailor

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Originally Posted by avvenalaf

Barra heading for the N4 toll with 2.90 to get Quigs through.

And six cans of Tennants Super for the signing on fee. ;)
10/12/2013, 11:54 AM
CityRebel

Horgan signs back with Cork City!

http://www.corkcityfc.ie/home/2013/1...ith-cork-city/
10/12/2013, 12:10 PM
oriel

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Originally Posted by Dodge

That McCaffrey spoofer may just have been the worst manager the league has ever seen.

100% agree, and not just for Dundalk, the entire history of the league. I can't think of one worse.

First game of that season I watched from the shed, Pats came and won 2 or 3-0, men against boys, and all I could see was his gut hanging down while sitting on the bench. Nightmare stuff, and it only got better when we won the play off 8 months later, aided by his departure 4 or 5 months previously.
10/12/2013, 12:49 PM
Nesta99

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Originally Posted by CityRebel

Horgan signs back with Cork City!

http://www.corkcityfc.ie/home/2013/1...ith-cork-city/

I see what ye did there :victory:
10/12/2013, 2:29 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by A face

Its true, any club, literally any club can start spending money they don't have, its no great feat, the actual noteworthy accomplishment comes afterwards when a club can balance the books and continue to grow. I'd be more impressed if Dundalk were able to double their support year on year for 3-4 years ..... Now THAT would be impressive, that's the achievement that should turn heads.

Doubling support in the manner you suggest is hardly realistic and probably unprecedented.
Starting with a base of 950:
Year 1 - 1900
Year 2 - 3800
Year 3 - 7600

There are reasons to be concerned about paying a compensation fee for Daryl Horgan, but there are also plenty of reasons for Dundalk fans to have confidence in the commitment and abilities of the owners and board, along with belief in Stephen Kenny's judgement.

My concern would be much greater if, for example, Mark Quigley / Eamon Zayed were signed on €1,000 a week
10/12/2013, 2:51 PM
sadloserkid

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

My concern would be much greater if, for example, Mark Quigley / Eamon Zayed were signed on €1,000 a week

If you got them both for a grand you'd be doing alright. :p
10/12/2013, 3:23 PM
Mr A

Kenny has a bit of history on the convincing a board to overspend front. Especially after a bit of success. I'm sure the Dundalk board are well aware though.
10/12/2013, 5:13 PM
noddy102

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Originally Posted by Mr A

Kenny has a bit of history on the convincing a board to overspend front. Especially after a bit of success. I'm sure the Dundalk board are well aware though.

I love how managers always get the blame for overspending. It is no way the managers fault if a club runs into trouble, unless of course they are also on the board of directors! All managers will try and get as much money from their board as possible and it does take a strong chairman or board to say no but it is their say which is final.

I highly doubt double contracts was Kenny's idea!
10/12/2013, 5:28 PM
Mr A

And I highly doubt he wasn't aware of them. He and the players got off very highly in that whole affair.

Fully agree that the board have responsibility though.
10/12/2013, 5:37 PM
Aaron

Kenny left us because the board wouldnt give in to his demands of extra money. Held the board ransom by saying gimme more or i'm off, and the board said on your bike
10/12/2013, 5:54 PM
The Lilywhites

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Originally Posted by oriel

Faherty will not be re-signing.

Current Co Galway contingent in OP, is O'Donnell, Hoban, Mountney & Rossiter (who is moving to Galway to live !!) and possibly Horgan if that goes through.

Mountney is from Mayo and Rossiter is from Sligo!
10/12/2013, 6:35 PM
oriel

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

Mountney is from Mayo and Rossiter is from Sligo!

Thats right, Mountney is a Mayo lad not Galway. I knew Rossi was from Sligo but he is moving to Galway to live, going to be some travelling to matches.

Back to player movement to and from clubs, so from today we know both Quigley and Ryan have both left Rovers, one of the Horgans has signed for Cork for 2014, and still no sign of the other Horgan.
10/12/2013, 7:15 PM
A face

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Originally Posted by oriel

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Originally Posted by Dodge

That McCaffrey spoofer may just have been the worst manager the league has ever seen.

100% agree, and not just for Dundalk, the entire history of the league. I can't think of one worse.

First game of that season I watched from the shed, Pats came and won 2 or 3-0, men against boys, and all I could see was his gut hanging down while sitting on the bench. Nightmare stuff, and it only got better when we won the play off 8 months later, aided by his departure 4 or 5 months previously.

But sure he was an absolute chancer all his time on the international scene, probably left out of sight because Givens was near worse than him. He accomplished nothing at all with the FAI, and the FAI should have been aware of that for ages before he left the position.

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