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05/10/2009, 9:10 AM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by EastTerracer

If nothing else, he's still capable of a withering stare to put down a journalist. Take a look at the last few seconds of the clip below.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...wn/8289291.stm

The question was asked just to get a reaction. I don't think the stare was that withering. Because it's Keane, people say "start the ambulance". All he did was look at the reporter and say he refuses to answer the question.

As we have always suspected with Keane, he can give it but can't take it.
05/10/2009, 9:43 AM
Den Perry

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

Being an arrogant hothead prone to rash decision making isn't a huge detriment during a playing career, if you're as talented a player as Roy was; however, these same attributes which made him such a feared midfield general are leading to his downfall, as he chops and changes too frequently, and makes no effort to build his players up at all, instead cutting them down in the press at every opportunity.

Add to this the fact that he probably has the worst scouting network in Britain, and what do you have?

What do you know about his scouting network? please tell us more....
05/10/2009, 9:45 AM
Stuttgart88

Owen Garvan turns down a loan move to Colchester,
05/10/2009, 9:54 AM
seanfhear

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

Being an arrogant hothead prone to rash decision making isn't a huge detriment during a playing career, if you're as talented a player as Roy was; however, these same attributes which made him such a feared midfield general are leading to his downfall, as he chops and changes too frequently, and makes no effort to build his players up at all, instead cutting them down in the press at every opportunity.

Add to this the fact that he probably has the worst scouting network in Britain, and what do you have?

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

What do you know about his scouting network? please tell us more....

You do not need to know much about his scouting network to know that it is a bad scouting network.
Roy Keane seems to have the unhappy knack of signing bad players for the two clubs that he has managed.
If you are signing poor players then maybe the scouting system needs to be changed.
I am beginning to wonder if Roy is more concerned about the financial side of his deals(who he is doing the deals with) than the quality of player he is signing.
05/10/2009, 3:51 PM
Soccer Mom

Here is a new analysis of the Saipan Incident involving Roy Keane before the World Cup in 2002.

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/index.htm
05/10/2009, 4:17 PM
amaccann

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

The question was asked just to get a reaction. I don't think the stare was that withering. Because it's Keane, people say "start the ambulance". All he did was look at the reporter and say he refuses to answer the question.

As we have always suspected with Keane, he can give it but can't take it.

Perhaps, but to be honest Keane's reaction was as bad. Most managers either just blandly dismiss it, and some have the decency to joke about it. Not old Keano; why do I always get the suspicion that this is a man who has perhaps zero sense of humour.
05/10/2009, 4:52 PM
Soccer Mom

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Originally Posted by amaccann

... Not old Keano; why do I always get the suspicion that this is a man who has perhaps zero sense of humour.

Based upon my research he does have a sense of humour - it's just that it isn't always switched on.
05/10/2009, 5:12 PM
seanfhear

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Originally Posted by Soccer Mom

Based upon my research he does have a sense of humour - it's just that it isn't always switched on.

The Psycho bit is always on or at the very least on alert standby:p
05/10/2009, 9:37 PM
amaccann

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Originally Posted by Soccer Mom

Based upon my research he does have a sense of humour - it's just that it isn't always switched on.

Maybe I should rephrase; part of a healthy personality (I think) is the ability to not take yourself too seriously. Knowing when to stand back and say "you know, I'm a bit of an eejit sometimes, sorry lads". Roy Keane knows not this trick. I doubt he even knows it exists.
05/10/2009, 10:01 PM
Greenforever

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Originally Posted by Soccer Mom

Here is a new analysis of the Saipan Incident involving Roy Keane before the World Cup in 2002.

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/index.htm

The conclusions seem very valid, maybe it's just a Cork thing :D
05/10/2009, 11:11 PM
geysir

:D
That was my final thought too.
06/10/2009, 9:54 AM
Soccer Mom

It's a little bit more than that because he seems to have problems with some people from Cork also because they're not from the right part of the city. He is always quick to point out that Denis Irwin was from the 'wrong' side of Cork and that Stephen Ireland is not from Cork - 'he's from Cobh'.
06/10/2009, 10:27 AM
seanfhear

Life is trying to teach Roy but is Roy still willing to learn.

Please do not tell Roy I said that.:p
06/10/2009, 10:37 AM
geysir

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Originally Posted by Soccer Mom

It's a little bit more than that because he seems to have problems with some people from Cork also because they're not from the right part of the city. He is always quick to point out that Denis Irwin was from the 'wrong' side of Cork and that Stephen Ireland is not from Cork - 'he's from Cobh'.

That's still a 'Cork thing'.
06/10/2009, 10:48 AM
DeLorean

Not sure of the purpose of such a biased report. If the blame was that one sided I don't think the country would have been so divided. Personally I could see Keane's frustrations but still think he should have played in the WC, especially when given the opportunity to return.
06/10/2009, 11:59 AM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Not sure of the purpose of such a biased report. If the blame was that one sided I don't think the country would have been so divided. Personally I could see Keane's frustrations but still think he should have played in the WC, especially when given the opportunity to return.

If Roy Keane didn't play for Manchester United then it's always been my opinion that the country wouldn't have been so divided. That fact that so many people in Ireland are slavishly devoted to MUFC skewed things for me but that's just my take on it. There were obviously exceptions.....
06/10/2009, 12:13 PM
DeLorean

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

If Roy Keane didn't play for Manchester United then it's always been my opinion that the country wouldn't have been so divided. That fact that so many people in Ireland are slavishly devoted to MUFC skewed things for me but that's just my take on it. There were obviously exceptions.....

Fairly valid point but I also felt the opposite applied in that ABU's probably went against him due to his United connection.
06/10/2009, 12:16 PM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Fairly valid point but I also felt the opposite applied in that ABU's probably went against him due to his United connection.

You could argue that alright although the likes of Paul McGarth and Denis Irwin were universally loved by all Irish fans despite their Man U connections, there were previous issues with RK and a good portion of the Ireland support despite people's unwillingness to mention it now.

Not that I'd fault his on field contribution obviously.
06/10/2009, 12:36 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Not sure of the purpose of such a biased report.

That report looks objective enough. The compiler's conclusions are his own opinions.
06/10/2009, 12:45 PM
seand

I read the reports intro, methodolgy and conclusions (like most people I guess!) Reading the methodology I fully expected a pro-Keane rant... the methodology section states that his primary source is Keane's biog and interviews with Keane.... i.e. everything from Roy's point of view. So I was surprised to find the conclusions so strongly anti-Keane. I'm guessing the author may have come into it with some baggage, but perhaps not, perhaps that's his honest conclusion after what appears to have been a huge amount of research.
06/10/2009, 12:48 PM
DeLorean

I should really read some more. Twas mainly the conclusions I looked at.
06/10/2009, 1:17 PM
geysir

There are a couple of time he glosses over an event and reads something more into it than was there, as part of the case against Roy.
Like when the squad, Connolly in particular, decided to put an end to it and get focussed on the job in hand.

The only way to have gotten Keane on a world cup pitch, would have been to continue to treat him differently from the others and fly him out on private jet some 3 or 4 days before the first game.
06/10/2009, 1:22 PM
razor

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Originally Posted by Soccer Mom

It's a little bit more than that because he seems to have problems with some people from Cork also because they're not from the right part of the city. He is always quick to point out that Denis Irwin was from the 'wrong' side of Cork and that Stephen Ireland is not from Cork - 'he's from Cobh'.

I think the "other" side of the City thing is primarily for us Corkonians, merely banter.
When it comes down to it a Corkonian is a Corkonian, unlike the lad Ireland who is from Cobh.
06/10/2009, 1:34 PM
geysir

To us on the outside, the line between a Cobh thing and a Cork thing is very thin.
06/10/2009, 1:50 PM
razor

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Originally Posted by geysir

To us on the outside, the line between a Cobh thing and a Cork thing is very thin.

I couldn't even begin to explain the difference only to say its vast.
06/10/2009, 2:24 PM
SunnySweeney

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Originally Posted by razor

I couldn't even begin to explain the difference only to say its vast.

I disagree - Cork and Cobh are really one and the same.

I think you are being parochial in the extreme. Maybe you should get out more !
07/10/2009, 10:24 AM
razor

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Originally Posted by SunnySweeney

Cork and Cobh are really one and the same.

I disagree strongly.

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Originally Posted by SunnySweeney

Maybe you should get out more !

I'd love to get out more but with 2 young kids it ain't that easy.
07/10/2009, 1:29 PM
Soccer Mom

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Originally Posted by geysir

There are a couple of time he glosses over an event and reads something more into it than was there, as part of the case against Roy.
Like when the squad, Connolly in particular, decided to put an end to it and get focussed on the job in hand.

The only way to have gotten Keane on a world cup pitch, would have been to continue to treat him differently from the others and fly him out on private jet some 3 or 4 days before the first game.

That was where McCarthy got it wrong - bringing Keane to Saipan in the first place. Then again why did Roy go? He knew he couldn't stand McCarthy.

The clincher for me is that the Saipan Incident says that if Keane really wanted to play for his country all he had to to was ring McCarthy and say that he wanted back in. No public or grovelling apology was needed. McCarthy had been backed into a corner by Niall Quinn, the FAI, the media, and public opinion. Keane never made the call even though his agent was sure that he would right up to the last minute.
07/10/2009, 4:20 PM
The Legend

All in the past, and for the record... Cobh is still in Co. Cork lads, but not Cork City... if that helps ye! ha!
08/10/2009, 7:54 AM
rebelmusic

Cobh is like a different country. I wouldnt say it's even remotely like cork
08/10/2009, 9:07 AM
Ozymandias

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Originally Posted by rebelmusic

Cobh is like a different country. I wouldnt say it's even remotely like cork

is the correct answer
08/10/2009, 9:28 AM
Soccer Mom

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Originally Posted by rebelmusic

Cobh is like a different country. I wouldnt say it's even remotely like cork

Maybe Stephen Ireland has declared for that country - Cobh ;)
20/10/2009, 9:20 PM
ofjames

another last minute goal conceded tonight to prevent ipswich recording that first win of the season

keano's having rotten luck
21/10/2009, 8:38 AM
GypsyBlackCat

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Originally Posted by ofjames

another last minute goal conceded tonight to prevent ipswich recording that first win of the season

keano's having rotten luck

He's not unlucky, just a bad manager. The team he has is good enough to be challegning for the play-offs at least. He spent close to �10m in the summer which is a lot of money. Thats more money than Preston, Blackpool even Newcastle and WBA. He has no man-management skills or knowledge of tactics. Keane has been found out. To most he was found last season at Sunderland. He got lucky at the SoL. Managers have gone for less.

No wins in 14 game in all comps is not unlucky but time to sack the manager before its to late.
21/10/2009, 10:00 AM
brine3

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Originally Posted by Soccer Mom

That was where McCarthy got it wrong - bringing Keane to Saipan in the first place. Then again why did Roy go? He knew he couldn't stand McCarthy.

The clincher for me is that the Saipan Incident says that if Keane really wanted to play for his country all he had to to was ring McCarthy and say that he wanted back in. No public or grovelling apology was needed. McCarthy had been backed into a corner by Niall Quinn, the FAI, the media, and public opinion. Keane never made the call even though his agent was sure that he would right up to the last minute.

Jesus, all Mick McCarthy had to do was go somewhere with football training facilities and not have a stupid clear the air meeting... basic preparation and man management.
21/10/2009, 10:15 AM
seanfhear

This management lark is not as easy as some people (Roy !) think !
21/10/2009, 10:34 AM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by brine3

Jesus, all Mick McCarthy had to do was go somewhere with football training facilities and not have a stupid clear the air meeting... basic preparation and man management.

How many times does it have to be said that Saipan was not a training facility but a rest and recreation stop over. Trust me, RK would have found some way to get out of that World Cup regardless of any 'clear the air meeting', he didn't want to be there and had been trying to leave from the moment he arrived, nothing would've been good enough for him, he was in a sulk because Man U had won nothing that season and his head was wrecked over it.

As for his future at Ipswich, 14 games with no win tells a story, conceeding late on once can be put down to bad luck, doing it regularly (as we've done in the past) comes down to more then luck.
21/10/2009, 10:38 AM
ofjames

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Originally Posted by GypsyBlackCat

He's not unlucky, just a bad manager. The team he has is good enough to be challegning for the play-offs at least. He spent close to �10m in the summer which is a lot of money. Thats more money than Preston, Blackpool even Newcastle and WBA. He has no man-management skills or knowledge of tactics. Keane has been found out. To most he was found last season at Sunderland. He got lucky at the SoL. Managers have gone for less.

No wins in 14 game in all comps is not unlucky but time to sack the manager before its to late.

good manager or bad manager, that has little or nothing to do with conceding 4 or 5 last minute goals in the last month or so. Thats just bad luck. It's not his lack of man management skills that caused richard wright to drop the ball in his net in the last minute or defenders to do daft things, or shots to hit the bar.

If not for the last minute goals they wouldnt be too far from the playoffs. watford manager admitted last night that his side didnt deserve anything from the game.

I'll take your point regarding blackpool and preston but the newcastle and west brom comparison is nonsense. for relegated clubs, both (especially west brom) have pretty much managed to retain their premiership squads from last season. they didnt need to spend a penny to be the best in the league
21/10/2009, 10:46 AM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

How many times does it have to be said that Saipan was not a training facility but a rest and recreation stop over. Trust me, RK would have found some way to get out of that World Cup regardless of any 'clear the air meeting', he didn't want to be there and had been trying to leave from the moment he arrived, nothing would've been good enough for him, he was in a sulk because Man U had won nothing that season and his head was wrecked over it.

.

:rolleyes: Might be a good idea to train and sort out set pieces before something like a world cup, dont you think!!!!!
21/10/2009, 11:17 AM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

:rolleyes: Might be a good idea to train and sort out set pieces before something like a world cup, dont you think!!!!!

They went onto a state of the art facility in Japan for their preparatory training beforehand you utter moron.

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