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21/04/2011, 3:48 PM
Straightstory

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Originally Posted by HulaHoop

Capacity in Dalymount is restricted to about 3500 with only the Jodi and shed end in use. Connaught Street death trap is not passed by health and safety. Same goes for Tolka too.

I've been in Dalymount when there were 35,000 there. Bizarre to think that a ground's capacity can be reduced by 90 per cent.
21/04/2011, 3:53 PM
Charlie Darwin

It's only ever had about 7,000 seats though, hasn't it? I suppose terraces are still strictly viable.
21/04/2011, 4:10 PM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Agree with you there. Should not be played on cement or concrete either!

If you mean matches should not be played on a FIFA 2-Star Certified FieldTurf 3G pitch, then I disagree - as do the FAI, EUFA and FIFA

ah fai eufa and fifa now there is three great bastions of common sense
21/04/2011, 4:17 PM
A N Mouse

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Originally Posted by passerrby

ah fai eufa and fifa now there is three great bastions of common sense

The fourth being roddy?
21/04/2011, 4:52 PM
El-Pietro

who in the hell are this EUFA people keep talking about?
21/04/2011, 6:07 PM
BohsFans

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Originally Posted by Straightstory

I've been in Dalymount when there were 35,000 there. Bizarre to think that a ground's capacity can be reduced by 90 per cent.

4,200 is the current seated capacity, about the same as Oriel me thinks!
21/04/2011, 6:11 PM
Buller

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

who in the hell are this EUFA people keep talking about?

http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/4...onsleague6.jpg

Have you not heard?! They officially changed their name last week at the UEFA AGM. Its been on the news...
21/04/2011, 7:14 PM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

The fourth being roddy?

No that goes to the guy on the derry board who said "Ive an idea and it involves two contracts"
21/04/2011, 7:28 PM
White Horse

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Originally Posted by HulaHoop

Sure if it's only a council ground in Tallaght then that surely constitutes a neutral venue?

Why was there never this level of whinging when FAI cup finals were played in Tolka and Dalymount with Shels/Bohs playing? We played Derry in a cup final in Tolka when we were playing home games there. 3 of the the 5 Setanta Cup finals have been played in one of the finalists home venues without a whimper. In a case of choosing between Oriel and Tallaght there really is only one choice.

You are currently renting this council pitch. It is your home, in the same way as Dalymount, Tolka, Morton etc etc were when you renting those.

Look, I know I may be on alien territory discussing fairness and ethics with Rovers fans. However, those other grounds you mentioned were decided upon as venues prior to the commencement of the tournaments.

Dundalk FC have acknowledged that they would have had no problem with Tallaght being the venue of the final if that had been announced at the outset of the tournament.
21/04/2011, 9:37 PM
mypost

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Originally Posted by White Horse

You are currently renting this council pitch. It is your home, in the same way as Dalymount, Tolka, Morton etc etc were when you renting those.

Dundalk FC have acknowledged that they would have had no problem with Tallaght being the venue of the final if that had been announced at the outset of the tournament.

You're contradicting yourself.

When Oriel has 6,000 seats, and has modern facilities that cater adequately for everyone, then Oriel and other grounds may be considered suitable to host finals in this competition.

As said before, I hope the final will be the last game played in it. The NI teams are way out of their depth, there are too many games in an already packed calendar, Setanta can't be arsed showing half of them. It's pointless.
21/04/2011, 10:20 PM
pauliek

The state of SDCC F.C. and the F.A.I.
22/04/2011, 1:23 AM
HulaHoop

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Originally Posted by White Horse

those other grounds you mentioned were decided upon as venues prior to the commencement of the tournaments.

You see that is where you are talking sh�te. Are you seriously of the belief that the 2008 final was already decided on being played in Turners Cross before Cork City got to the final?
22/04/2011, 2:51 AM
bullit

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Originally Posted by HulaHoop

You see that is where you are talking sh�te. Are you seriously of the belief that the 2008 final was already decided on being played in Turners Cross before Cork City got to the final?

Never be afraid to throw your own opinon in there Hula-Hoop and the reasons why and why-not ??
22/04/2011, 3:02 AM
White Horse

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Originally Posted by HulaHoop

You see that is where you are talking sh�te. Are you seriously of the belief that the 2008 final was already decided on being played in Turners Cross before Cork City got to the final?

It was decided before the semi-final, if I recall.

But, ignore the facts if you wish.

It's my own fault for bringing up fair play with a Rovers fan. Moral relativism is the ethical standard applied in Talllaght.
22/04/2011, 3:09 AM
Charlie Darwin

Does this really have to turn into a ****ing contest? The moment you bring up moral relativism you've probably elevated this conversation to an intellectual level it doesn't deserve.
22/04/2011, 3:24 AM
Dunny

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FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
22/04/2011, 4:00 AM
bullit

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Does this really have to turn into a ****ing contest? The moment you bring up moral relativism you've probably elevated this conversation to an intellectual level it doesn't deserve.

Brill,Kill them with words the poor fools !!
Your more full of it than the people you attack ??
22/04/2011, 6:26 AM
micls

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Originally Posted by White Horse

It was decided before the semi-final, if I recall.

But, ignore the facts if you wish.

It's my own fault for bringing up fair play with a Rovers fan. Moral relativism is the ethical standard applied in Talllaght.

What facts?

TC was not named the official venue til after the semi final. It was talked about before the semi that if we won it would be in TC but it wasn't announced. Even if it had been I'm not sure how this would be any fairer? Given it was dependent on us being in the final. It's absolutely no different from this situation with Tallaght.

If you have any actual facts about the finals before that links would be welcome. Given the rubbish being posted I'm skeptical about the claims of them all being fixed before the competition started as claimed above.
22/04/2011, 9:22 AM
passerrby

althought it has to be tallagh it is unfair as it is ther hoops home ground and nothing will change that
22/04/2011, 10:57 AM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by micls

What facts?

TC was not named the official venue til after the semi final. It was talked about before the semi that if we won it would be in TC but it wasn't announced. Even if it had been I'm not sure how this would be any fairer? Given it was dependent on us being in the final. It's absolutely no different from this situation with Tallaght.

Putting any weight on "precedents" of decisions involving that august body of football decision makers in this country is not particularly wise.

In any case it is probable that the finalists agreed to the arrangements previously. Dundalk are objecting to this unfair advantage and rightly so.

Common sense tells you that the home side has a advantage and a better chance of scooping the additional �20k prizemoney. The fans of the away team also have to stump up extra cash to travel.

If there is no willingness to apply sporting fair play the least that can be done is to provide some financial consideration to Dundalk
22/04/2011, 11:52 AM
avvenalaf

Arrah, fcuk it, play it in Santry and give the Sporting Fingal fans a chance to see it.
22/04/2011, 12:24 PM
El-Pietro

does no one remember how annoyed Glentoran were in 2008? Setanta will play the final where suits them, and no one else.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-14003784.html
22/04/2011, 12:36 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

does no one remember how annoyed Glentoran were in 2008? Setanta will play the final where suits them, and no one else.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-14003784.html

Interesting article - it appears that Glentoran had every reason to be livid - maybe if they boycotted that final things would have been different then and now.

Previous unfair or outrageous decisions do not justify further unfair ones.
22/04/2011, 12:53 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Putting any weight on "precedents" of decisions involving that august body of football decision makers in this country is not particularly wise.

In any case it is probable that the finalists agreed to the arrangements previously. Dundalk are objecting to this unfair advantage and rightly so.

Common sense tells you that the home side has a advantage and a better chance of scooping the additional €20k prizemoney. The fans of the away team also have to stump up extra cash to travel.

If there is no willingness to apply sporting fair play the least that can be done is to provide some financial consideration to Dundalk

You're the one that claimed precedence was in ye're favour a such.As pointed out above the teams did not agree. I'm simply pointing out it isn't and that the SSC have never been bother about being fair. why would they suddenly start now because it's Dundalk complaining? Glentoran had to travel the length of the country and no one cared, they won't care about ye're complaints either.

It may not be right but basically it's their competition and they can do what they want. It's not the first time it' happened, and no one backed Glentoran when they were complaining. As usual people only complain when it affects their team.
22/04/2011, 1:03 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Interesting article - it appears that Glentoran had every reason to be livid - maybe if they boycotted that final things would have been different then and now.

if they boycotted the final then, the tournament was finished. It was touch and go whether it'd come back for 2009 as it was
22/04/2011, 1:12 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Dodge

if they boycotted the final then, the tournament was finished. It was touch and go whether it'd come back for 2009 as it was

Agreed. But they were never gonna boycott that game. The money was better then and they weren't going to turn it down.
22/04/2011, 1:19 PM
HulaHoop

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

does no one remember how annoyed Glentoran were in 2008? Setanta will play the final where suits them, and no one else.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-14003784.html

So the Dundalk fans on this thread who claimed the venues of previous finals were either decided before the finalists became known or by a toss of a coin were talking b�llocks then. Glad we cleared that up.

Bottom line is, Oriel, Dalymount, Tolka, Richmond are old run down grounds that shouldn't be hosting a cup final. With the Aviva and RDS unavailable that weekend it leaves a choice of Tallaght or Turners Cross. Quite an obvious decision really.
22/04/2011, 2:23 PM
Dunny

Tallaght it is..

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The Setanta Sports Cup organising committee have announced that the 2011 Setanta Sports Cup Final between Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers will take place at Tallaght Stadium on Saturday, 14th May with a kick-off time of 6.15 pm.

“It would have been difficult to pick these teams out from start but it should be a great final,” said organizing committee Chairman Milo Corcoran.

“Shamrock Rovers have been the team to beat recently having won the title last year while Dundalk have had a tremendous run to the final. Both sides will be going into the game with genuine expectations of lifting the trophy.

“In the interest of facilitating as many spectators as we could, Tallaght Stadium made the most sense as the venue for the final. It has all the facilities necessary and suitable to televise a final of this stature.”

Due to Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers meeting in the Setanta Sports Cup final, a number of changes have been made to the Airtricity League fixture list.

The Airtricity League Premier Division fixture between Shamrock Rovers and Derry City scheduled for Friday, 13th May has been rescheduled for Monday, 13th June at Tallaght Stadium with a kick-off time of 8.00 pm.

The Airtricity League Premier Division fixture between Dundalk and St Patrick’s Athletic scheduled for Friday, 13th May has been rescheduled for Monday, 13th June at Oriel Park with a kick-off time of 7.45 pm.

Meanwhiule, the Airtricity League Premier Division fixture between Derry City and Drogheda United scheduled for Monday, 9th May will now take place on Tuesday, 10th May at Brandywell Stadium with a kick-off time of 7.45 pm.
22/04/2011, 2:24 PM
Ezeikial

Now Confirmed as Tallaght by FAI press statement
22/04/2011, 4:18 PM
mypost

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“In the interest of facilitating as many spectators as we could, Tallaght Stadium made the most sense as the venue for the final. It has all the facilities necessary and suitable to televise a final of this stature.”

Bingo.

Dundalk will have their home game against us next weekend and will have to make do with that.
22/04/2011, 10:26 PM
Financial Stew

[QUOTE=HulaHoop;1479109]Bottom line is, Oriel, Dalymount, Tolka, Richmond are old run down grounds that shouldn't be hosting a cup final. QUOTE]

Listen Hula your'e talking through your Hoop, groundwise Rover's are all furcoat & no knickers
22/04/2011, 10:26 PM
White Horse

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Originally Posted by mypost

Bingo.

Dundalk will have their home game against us next weekend and will have to make do with that.

Do you lecture in condescention?

And I thought Sligo fans were exaggerating.

It is nothing new for Dundalk to have to take on the competition organisers and their opponents.

We're coming to your rented council pitch and that trophy is coming back with us.
22/04/2011, 10:29 PM
Charlie Darwin

Can somebody explain to me what's so bad about renting a pitch? It's a fairly normal arrangement in most countries.
22/04/2011, 10:40 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Can somebody explain to me what's so bad about renting a pitch? It's a fairly normal arrangement in most countries.

Charlie - nothing wrong with renting at all.

IMO the reactions are totally due to the arrogance of many Rovers fans
22/04/2011, 10:42 PM
mypost

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Can somebody explain to me what's so bad about renting a pitch? It's a fairly normal arrangement in most countries.

Unlike those countries, we paddies are pre-programmed to need his own blade of grass, you see.

Mightn't have facilities, or cash, or even a good team, but at least he can put his stake in the ground, and declare "That's my patch". So he's happy.

Not something restricted to football, mind.
23/04/2011, 12:59 AM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

does no one remember how annoyed Glentoran were in 2008? Setanta will play the final where suits them, and no one else.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-14003784.html

I'd be more annoyed if my article was sharing a page with Lingerie Football...
23/04/2011, 1:49 AM
The Lep

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Originally Posted by avvenalaf

Arrah, fcuk it, play it in Santry and give the Sporting Fingal fans a chance to see it.

Thanks, but you do know that we have cars and are allowed on public transport and dont all live in Santry dont you ? :)
23/04/2011, 1:53 AM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Charlie - nothing wrong with renting at all.

IMO the reactions are totally due to the arrogance of many Rovers fans

It's no reason to respond in kind though, is it? From my experience, neither Rovers nor Dundalk fans are anything like as snappy as they are on these yonder forums.

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Originally Posted by mypost

Unlike those countries, we paddies are pre-programmed to need his own blade of grass, you see.

Mightn't have facilities, or cash, or even a good team, but at least he can put his stake in the ground, and declare "That's my patch". So he's happy.

Not something restricted to football, mind.

God, don't get me started. Irony is that the land the council took over to build the stadium is worth significantly less than it is now.
23/04/2011, 9:34 PM
avvenalaf

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Originally Posted by The Lep

Thanks, but you do know that we have cars and are allowed on public transport and dont all live in Santry dont you ? :)

Where do the other two live?
24/04/2011, 2:38 PM
The Lep

You are not too good at that Wumming lark are you :)

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