Noone will have any more referendums at all, with a Yes vote, including us. More sovereignty given up.:o
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Noone will have any more referendums at all, with a Yes vote, including us. More sovereignty given up.:o
:) To a certain extent, definitely, and I did toy with that idea. But I'm going to squirm out of your reasonable cornering by saying that, rather than me having to be responsible in my decision-making, the responsibility lies more with the respective campaigns (and their supporters, like Mypost) to win my vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Because they had a perceptive audience reasonably educated on EU matters and couldn't do so suggests to me I can make my decision using whatever inane logic I want; I've listened to the arguments with an objective mind, none impressed sufficiently, so now the decision is in my capricious hands. That's the price you pay for not running a convincing campaign.
And, while not excusing my behaviour, surely it is far more of an egregious 'sin' for campaigners and posters here to try persuade people when they haven't read the Treaty. How responsible is that, I ask. Anyway what I really wonder is how responsible it is to delegate such an important decision to people who haven't a notion what it's about and what it'll mean in practice!
You have a vote, i.e. you are responsible for exercising it with a little more care, than "I'm in a good mood today" You are making a decision on behalf of 500 million people, and are making it on one of the most stupid reasons I'ver ever heard of. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
The Yes voters have been ordered by EU heads of state: "Sign, read afterwards". If in doubt, Vote No.
I'm hoping this Treaty will mean the end to pointless Referendums like this, the one on divorce, the one on abortion, etc. It's like asking the baying mob what to do with Jesus at times. Hopefully we as an electorate would pull the finger out at local and national elections, elect competent officials and let them get on with the job of deciding these issuesQuote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
Surely you should just not vote if in doubt? At least that's what I take from how angry you are at Hoop's process. Would you be kicking up such a fuss if he were voting No based on his mood?Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
I predict 51.7 : 47.1 win for the Yes side. Turnout to be 47%.
If it starts raining im not going to go vote ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Mypost was that you who sent two Legion of Mary people to my door just now? (that genuinely happened) Divine intervention for the No side. Apparently Europe will become a dictatorship with the passing of this Treaty! The primacy of God in our Constitution will be relegated! Abortion! Euthanasia! All them things! Vote No!
Being a firm believer in spirituality if not necessarily gods I think that was a sign that I should vote No. So I'm going to vote No. Happy now Mypost? :)
Those shouts of "Jebus for President" are getting more and more convincing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
I'll be honest, I haven't read the full thread, but this line encapsulates exactly my position. Surely democracy is about placing trust in properly elected leaders?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
Would you trust our leaders, with the nod and wink culture we have?? :confused:
Re:kingdom hoop, considering the fact that I haven't brought up references to abortion, euthanasia in my arguments, don't think so.
There isn't a hope of turnout being that high pete, although I'd agree that it'll probably be close cut. The question is, is is the Yes or the No side that didn't get off their arses?
adam
Running this today and tomorrow only, so vote early or... um... don't vote at all?
adam
turnout will just scrap 30% by the looks of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
I voted Yes.
Well done superfrank. Just clicking the button would have sufficed.
i felt the last option described me best - though i am slightly spoiled and come to think of it... im pretty indecisive too...
oh wait... this isnt facebook...
I love the way 3 people have chosen the last option btw, presumably in the mistaken belief that either I or they are being funny. I'm not.
If you didn't go out and vote today you're a loser, and if you admit that to me I'll tell you to shut up the next time you bitch about politician X or policy Y. Researching the issues doesn't take a lot of time - turn a radio on, open a newspaper, fire up a web browser - and going to the polling station takes even less.
You still have time to do it, so perhaps you should stop reading this and snickering to yourself like a retard, and put the time to good use.
[That wasn't aimed at you in particular SkStu. Although it is aimed at you in general, if you're being serious.]
adam
If SkStu's location is where he is at the moment he'll have done well to vote.
Does anybody know if there will be an official Exit Poll?
Interestingly the odds of a No vote are falling on Paddypower.com. Still odds-on for a Yes vote, but somebody out there is betting heavyly on a No vote.
Yeah it was 1/3 Yes : 2/1 No yesterday, but now 8/15 Yes : 11/8 No.
Wouldn't take much money for that to change though.
Of course they might just be looking at the above poll.
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Originally Posted by Kingdom
i make a mean paper airplane so here's hoping my arm was strong enough.
but in all seriousness i agree with dahamsta 100% about exercising ones right to vote. I used to get so sick of people bitching about politicians etc etc only to find out that they hadnt actually bothered to vote in the first place - be it a general election or a referendum.
One thing i didnt ever bother voting on was the european elections funnily enough. And the one thing that im not entitled to in Canada is a vote. Free healthcare, you bet. Voting - no chance.
(unless i apply for canadian citizenship - "ermmm, no thanks man, im all good for citizenships right now")
I did vote, but surely if someone doesn't want to vote then that's their business :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
Absolutely. Now read my post again, only slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevo Da Gull
If I didn't vote I wouldn't bitch about politician x or y, simple as. And if you say something in a post should I just accept it as a fact? I did read up plenty on the treaty and still wasn't going to vote until changing my mind around 7pm... an extra 3 hours and I would (according to you) have been a loser. And a condescending reply isn't conducive to an open discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
No it means they can't bitch about this issue. All other issues are fair game. Being apathetic (faily sure thats a word...) doesn't make you a loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
I voted no btw
I voted yes
The polls have closed, and Ireland has spoken. Tomorrow, we'll find out what was said.
2nd Lisbon Poll on foot.ie, which shows a majority of Nos. Yet according to the bookies and the media, the No side will lose. :confused:
I believe the turnout was in the low 40s. I am not sure that this is the good news for the Yes side that some commentators are making it out to be.
But the country has decided. Hoping its a 'No', but fearing its a 'Yes'.
Yeah I don't think they source their information from this website, at least I hope notQuote:
Originally Posted by mypost
And of course, the sample of 15 football fans is obviously perfectly representative of the country.
Read a column by Micheál Martin in the Irish Times on Tuesday - he couldn't give one reason to vote for the treaty. It would somehow give us jobs and money, the No arguments weren't valid and scaremongering is wrong (except when it's the Yes side that's doing it). That and my general Euro scepticism sealed my No vote.
Why bother with elections at all, surely someone with a double barrel name would run the country a lot better? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Elections are needed, asking a bunch of people who largely don't care to vote on issues that they haven't a clue on isn't. Politicians should be able to read these documents and make a valid judgement on it, I realise ours seem unwilling to do so but I never said I supported our current crop did I?Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
But you're supporting them now. If you don't trust them on other issues why on this one? I also disagree with what you are saying. here is no reason for a treaty not to be readable by all literate adults. (and illiterate politicians).Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
RTE said turnout expected to be in the low to mid 40s which is higher than Nice 1 but lower than Nice 2.
Voted at around 8.30 & definitely well below 50% on my sheet.
or Mods can vote early & often ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
I gave Yes my number 1 vote & No number 2. It is important to use all your votes.
Turnout doesn't indicate a result. The count does. Whether the turnout is 40% or 80%, every voter has the 50/50 choice of which box to mark.
All irrelevant really.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Our constitution requires a referendum on European Union treaties. However, our constitution, drawn up at the foundation of the State, will be torn up in 60 pieces tomorrow should there be a Yes vote, replaced by the EU Constitution, i.e. France, Germany, and the UK's rules, not ours.
In my experience people that don't vote, don't vote, fullstop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Perhaps "loser" isn't the best word. I'm not allowed use the words I'd commonly describe them as.
adam
Just on the comments about this poll, Foot.ie polls generally get it "wrong", i.e. the results here tend to go against the actual results. The same goes for Boards.ie. I think that Irish web communities tend to lean to liberalism more than meatspace.
adam
So now you're into democracy, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta