If he played for those clubs people he wouldn't be in the Ireland squad. Mid level championship player at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by FootballsKing
Good luck to the lad though
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If he played for those clubs people he wouldn't be in the Ireland squad. Mid level championship player at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by FootballsKing
Good luck to the lad though
if he played for one of those clubs he would be put in the same bracket as players like David Connolly or Jonathan Douglas, not in terms of talent, but in that most of you would be raging that he wasnt in the squad
Wasn't he injured???Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
If you could make 11 substitutions, they could all have come off at half time. He was no worse than anyone else. And arguably would not have made that **** up for the goal had he been in central defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
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Originally Posted by Dodge
To be fair if he did what McShane did and moved on from United a lot sooner I think he always had the talent to become a decent centre-half. It now seems though that he'll be blighted by the "utility-man" tag for the rest of his career...
Anyone who's raging that David Connolly isnt in the Irish squad should go away and get their head examined. He's a good championship player - probably cos he thinks he's better than every1 at that level - and if Sunderland get promoted Roy Keane will dump him like the piece of s**t he isQuote:
Originally Posted by FootballsKing
The simple problem is that he never ever plays as well for Ireland like he does for United and if you ask any proper United fans (ie. the ones who actually go to games as opposed to watching them on Sky) they will tell you that he is the most unpopular Utd player amongst the supporters because they don't think he's good enough for them.
Right place right time as far as his club goes, Fergie needed a new Phil Neville to cover half a dozen positions but I've never seen him play a full 90 minutes of note in an Ireland shirt.
O Shea is a bit of a conundrum. Home Vs. San Marino, he stood out - as a high profile player that under-performed,looked very poor. Away to San Marino, he was injured, thats why he came off. I agree that he is UTD's current 'Phil Neville', can't decide if he's best at right back, left back, centre half or centre mid. That cannot help any player. Also, he does seem happy to take his place in the squad, as opposed to forcing his way into Fergies team, same as Wes Brown & Darren Fletcher.
As far as I'm concerned, Stan should only be calling up REGULAR match day players, these players have current form, are match fit, and are continuing to start matches, as opposed to getting 90mins for your country and none for your club!
In this regard, John would need a steady run in the Utd team in order to get into national squad.
My personal opinion is that we could all see what talent he's got, if he did get to play regularly.
Whatever about O'Shea, I don't think you could argue that he's less prone to a mistake than any of our other players. Would he have ignored Henderson's call?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Simple question - how many good games has O'Shea had in a green shirt?
Heres one.Quote:
Originally Posted by fergalr
No i wouldn't be singing his praises. In fact if he was playing for City I doubt i'd be singing his praises
I think he had to the potential to be a pretty decent player, but he never settled in one position which has ultimately led to where he is today. I think he played his best games for united when he was centre half, i cant remember the last time he was there and judging by whats in front of him it'll be a long time before he is. He's not the greatest player with the ball at his feet so dont think he can play in centre midfield.
It has been rumoured that if Sunderland come up then Roy will bring him there and i doubt fergie would offer too much resistance. The ironic thing is i think O'S is the type of player Keane was ranting about not too long ago when he said there was a number of Irish players in the premiership who were happy in their comfort zone at their club and didnt push themselves enough- O'S is a prime example of this!
heh good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
O'shea-consistently the worst irish player of the last 3 years bar none. his display against san marino at home in a game we won 5-0 was utterly woeful. had a fantastic debut season for united and is in a comfort zone.
would not hesitate in saying he probably doesnt give a cr@p that he's not first choice any more at united.
ill say it again though, its up to managers not to pick him. nothing personal, nice lad, shocking performer for ireland.
He's a disgrace. Not once has he performed in an Irish shirt. I can forgive club form if a player at least looks like he can put in a decent effort for Ireland but he has been consistently rubbish for us.
So f*ck him.
He's consistently terrible for Ireland. I couldn't care less what club he plays for. Every game it's the same story. CrapQuote:
Originally Posted by FootballsKing
thats a classicQuote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Since his performance against Switzerland in the final game of the 2004 qualifiers when they lost 2-0 and he was a disgrace, he seems to have somehow gotten worse and worse for Ireland.
The fact is if Ireland had a manager who wasnt a sh**ty a*se and who didnt mind upsetting some of the prima donnas in the team, then he'd have been dropped from the squad a long time ago. His attitude is disgusting
It's bad enough that successive Irish managers pick O'Shea but it is far worse for the 'best fans in the world' behave like fU**ing idiots booing our own player.
I think the Oshea criticism is way over the top. you have to remember he is always played out of position. midfield? no way. I would have him at left back or nowhere else. (I know he is originally a centre back but I dont think he was ever played there for a good reason.) the booing thing is ridiculous. people should f*ck off and live in liverpool if they want to boo man u players.
He is a talented player who hasnt really played well in a long time. needs to leave man u and get regular football in the one position.
we dont have enough talent to be dispensing with anyone.
somebody in irish set up must rate him.. he is usually picked for every game.. consistently terrible for ireland !!! but you could also add a lot more names also... bit rough to try & blame him for all off irelands recent problems.. :ball: :ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Collyontour
i think he's a decent player (at centre back) but i agree that he needs to get a decent run of games in one position. ideally he'd go to a mid level premiership side. however, i don't see that happening as a few weeks ago he said he'd rather be a squad member of a title winning side than playing regular football elsewhere. whilst i personally think that that's a disgraceful attitude he's entitled to do what he likes. but if he was chucked out of ireland's team he might have a very different attitude but that won't happen so basically i think that we'll never see the best of him
o'shea needs out of united and a solid run in a premiership team in centre back. fergie will never let him go as he is too valuable as utility man , Ireland's football team is the loser here.
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I am not his greatest fan. But objectively he is no worse than the rest and better than some. Over the last 12 months really it is only Given and Kilbane (there is an irony for some) who can come out with much credit. Flashes from others, 100% from these two.
... I agree he may not have ignored Henderson, but his experience may have led him to clear the ball instead of taking such a huge risk.
PS - is McShane playing CB for West Brom, I thought I saw him playing FB recently?
I think he could have made a good centre-back years ago. He's probably finished now though.
No confidence left and no position in particular to name at pinning down.
He's consistently awful.
I get the original point though.
If he was getting his game at a decent Championship club, you probably would have people saying that he's the job.
Yeah, McShane is playing at right back but Mowbray said he only sees him as a centre half. Just reading the West Brom forum there and they're really impressed with him.
Come back JOS all is forgiven because you scored a sh*te goal against some English club after coming on with 15 minutes to go. You are really brilliant. How could we the Irish fans have been so wrong about you?
F**k off. John O'Shea ffs. Scores a goal and the goldfish brigade are out again in force saying how good a player he is and he should be forgiven for all his (numerous) sins in an Ireland jersey. Get this. He's sh*t, he's been proven sh*t and scoring some crap goal in an English league game doesn't negate that fact. Always the same. While we're at it let's get David Connolly, Gary Breen and Gary Doherty back they all played at the weekend (and Breen scored to boot).
Seriously some people on this forum haven't a breeze. It's the same sh*te recycled over and over again. David Connolly/JOS (pick either) scores a goal, he's brilliant give him some more caps. He gets more caps is again proven sh*t argument is recycled a year later. It's like f**king Groundhog Day.
Yeah, & one has just spoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Someone posted about Keane's management style on another forum, the Stokes one. Instead of balling him out for a mistake he encouraged him.
Well if you constantly tell half our players they are crap, don't be too surprised at the outcome. Where are you going to turn then ? It's not that we have so many players that we can afford to act with such arrogance.
John O'Shea has gone full circle. I remember there was pressure on Mick Mc or was it Kerr to play him because he played for Man U. Now, the theory is that because he plays for Man U he is being discriminated against :rolleyes:
I believe that 99% of Irish fans don't care who a player plays for so long as he does the business in a green shirt. Robbie K is getting a lot of stick these days from Irish fans: it's hardly because he plays for Spurs!! The club is irrelevant. O'Shea hasn't fulfilled his promise. He also has a languid style that looks as if he's casual. He's not. He's not a midfielder and I don't think he's a fullback either as both these positions need a passer of a ball which JO'S is not. It will be centre-half or nothing for JO'S and the Man U thing is irrelevant.
He hasn't been playing well for us and hence the stick. Others have been getting it as well. I haven't heard him being boohed yet though. The team yes, individuals no.
Yeah good one. It's my fault JOS is poor for Ireland. Let's all start telling JOS how good a player he is. Wrap him in cotton wool. Don't criticise him. Just tell him we love him and he's the best left back/ central midfielder, central defender, striker etc in the land. Are you for real or was that a joke? Seriously grow up and stop living in happy land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Anyway since when did I ever say all our players were crap? JOS and Connolly certainly are. I didn't mention any of the rest of our current squad.
Im a united fan and O'Shea really iritates me at times. The reason for that is that it is obvious the guy as the talent but we very rarely see it. He was phenomenal in his first season. Im worried that he is just happy to collect his wages every week and not really give 100%. However i would most definly prefer tosee him beside Carsley versus the Welsh than have Ireland beside Carsley
I thought you liked having a scapegoat. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
O'Shea gets stick because he doesn't play well for us. Does anyone that's sticking up for him here go to the games, because I can't understand how anyone can defend his performances. And I haven't heard him being booed.
yeah i think booing is out of order cos at this stage if stan cant see how bad he is then i would blame stan. it beggars belief how he keeps his place.
If O'Shea was sold to the likes of Newcastle, he'd be a central defender for 38 league games a season. He has the technique, size and physical attributes to be a good if not great centre back. I rate him higher than Bramble any day of the week.
In fairness, it takes a lot more than that. He doesn't have the intelligience, aggression, bottle, etc. to play centre half imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by danonion
couldn't agree wit u anymore think john o'shea is a great player. :ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by FootballsKing
i dont think o'shea can mark a forward as "Titus" bramble...
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Originally Posted by bellavistaman
sure he's totally unproven at any level as a CB...Quote:
Originally Posted by danonion
They don't all have to be built like Babo Balde ;) Kenny Cunningham played centre-half for a number of years. If you have the talent, you can do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy