[QUOTE=DeLorean;1974039]MON was convinced the situation had been "defused".[/QUOTE
I want to lose both. Harry Arter is not commited 100% to us and Keane is a negitive influence
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[QUOTE=DeLorean;1974039]MON was convinced the situation had been "defused".[/QUOTE
I want to lose both. Harry Arter is not commited 100% to us and Keane is a negitive influence
Might be just me, but the extent to which a player being 100% committed matters to me, is inversely proportional to how good a player they are and how much they offer the squad.
It’s almost as if the sports papers need to blow something up just to generate some interest around the national side. That’s how low we have fallen. We cannot generate interest around the stuff we do on the field so let’s make out Keane is going full on bad cop on these poor innocent delicate flowers.
Players have disagreeements with fellow team mates and coaches all the time. So long as Keane hasn’t tried to strangle him what is the big deal? If Arter is prepared to throw away his international career over an argument then more fool him. Even if he cannot stand Keane you’d think he would want to prove him wrong by showing what he can do on the pitch.
[QUOTE=Diggs246;1974044]Arter's performances say otherwiseQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
[QUOTE=Paddy Garcia;1974124]Well lets be fair. He was excellent against Wales away and Austria away. Woeful against Denmark at home and really really poor against Georgia away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
I would prefer to have him if he was committed, but not under these circumstances
[QUOTE=Diggs246;1974125]And I could say that I'd prefer to have an assistant manager who puts his country before his own personal interests (and the same for Mick too btw).Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
However better to hold back on the value judgments unless you have your own hotline .......................
Wants to make the loan to Cardiff permanent if they stay up: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46372831
He got MOM yesterday on the BBC report
Other ratings are available.
Interviewed in the Times today: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...city-nl2flbb06
Quite a bit in it about the end of O'Neill's reign
Frankly he has shown somen dignity & integrity though this that others would have done well to follow ...
Signs on loan for his brother-in-law at Fulham, Scott Parker, until the end of the season. Grand move.
Ahh. Forgot Scot Parker was the Fulham boss. Was disappointed when I seen the news. Makes more sense now. I was hoping he’d get another pop at Bournemouth.
I hope never to be seen in green again.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.she...r-ireland/amp/
Harsh. Don’t think he has been well treated by us to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
I wonder what damage the reaction to Paul Merson saying he should be in the England squad did to Arter's feelings about playing for Ireland?
Not sure why the hatred for Arter on here. Would have been much easier for him to kick back and rest up during international breaks instead of turning out for us. He's an excellent player when fit, and we could really use him.
He is a fine player when fit. That Glen Whelan gets in to the squad ahead of him is only down to his injury woes. Head to head in a green shirt, Arter has performed as well as if not better than Jeff Hendrick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
arter has offered little or nothing in an Irish shirt. that is the realityQuote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Hard to argue with that .Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
To a certain extent that is true. Had a tough run with injuries and did not have a chance to build up momentum and make the position his own. Unfortunate, but that is football.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
On the other hand he was more effective in a few appearances than Whelan ever was for us.
Arter's worst moments for Ireland (which were few) were better than Hendrick's who continues to go from average to poor game in and game out.
name one of those appearances?Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Played well once when in with a shout of the Euro16 squad, from memory. Never looked bothered since or before and really played poorly in a few too. The guy isnt interested, and quite possibly a secret Lion too.
Austria awayQuote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
But the question is - does he have more ability than Whelan and or Hendrick?Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Over the top comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
"The guy isn't interested and quite possibly a secret Lion?"
He told you that, did he?
So to put things in perspective, Harry Arter went to the trouble of applying for a passport and getting his paperwork in order and telling all his family that he would be playing for Ireland. He then pulled on the green shirt 15 times, and he wasn't interested?
Do you have that amount of time to waste in your life?
Not very logical is it?
Now now mark12345, cool yourself down man, keep it within posting guidelines, we have standards around here in such matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Plenty smoke around the Harry is at heart a Lion fire too, and RK thought so as well.
My sense is that Harry is happy enough to play for us as long as he’s starting. I suspect he expected he’d walk into our starting XI and between one thing and another that hasn’t really happened. I wouldn’t start him personally but ideally would have him on the bench. His problem is that he’s not incredibly creative and while he is a good tackler he’s not a disciplined holding guy.
A good all rounder but I think the likes or Hendrick & Hourihane offer more offensively while Whelan, for all his limitations, is incredibly disciplined and positionally aware in that holding role.
So I support the Hendrick/Hourihane/Whelan trio that Mick favours, and I’d consider Arter as a replacement for Hendrick/Hourihane. But honestly maybe I’d select a guy like Browne off the bench before Arter, as I think he perhaps has more upside.
He turns up when it suits him. That's not disco.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
This wouldn't even be true if Hendrick retired before (being arguably our best player at) the Euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
You know the rules Mark - attack the post, not the posterQuote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
I didn’t know that rule applied to Crafty too. Interesting.
Harry is a bit of an Artful Dodger !
Thats a pity about 'arry, now veteran Glenn will have to do all the heavy lifting, stand alone and fill the breach. . RK was full of cr*p about Arter and Walters and since then he has fallen way down the ladder to his true calling, getting standing ovations for pedding gems on tv, such as "they (Liverpool) need to bring their A game".
Such wanton inaccuracy. Everyone knows Scousers bring their ay-ay-ay game.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Scores against Villa after coming on as a sub.Not that it particularly matters for us given his effective retirement.
Two goals in three games for Arter - worth giving him another shot in the Autumn? Or stick by Mick's decision to leave him "concentrate on club football" and only call on him if we're in a pickle in midfield.
I've gone cold on Arter on basis that I felt his commitment was poor,which was Mick's view too, but I suppose if you turn up and get bollocked by Roy Keane for getting physio treatment I suppose that'd make you lose your appetite. Still, good or not, I'm not sure he's a player I'll ever fully warm to.
Agreed. But look, new manager, clean slate/fresh start and all that. It seems SK is a fan so hopefully he can be of some value.
I actually forgot he refused to turn up for a match after his fight with Keane
Haha I also forgot "radio Wardy" remember he sang like a canary to his mates on WhatsApp !!!