There was nothing to give in the second half. Can't see how you'd have an issue with him thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
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There was nothing to give in the second half. Can't see how you'd have an issue with him thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
On a different day, it could have been Drogheda moaning about the decisions that cost them a cup final place etc. I certainly wouldn't argue that Buttimer has it in for Dundalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I will look at that handball claim. I was level with that free kick in the ground at the time but saw nothing. I'll have another look though.
Some refs in LoI definately have an ego and maybe as failed players seek out a profile. That said a wider issue that is international too is that players con refs reguarly, and without the benefit of slowmo replay they may as well toss a coin on what sanction to give. Take Floods dive in Inchicore v Dundalk that got massey booked or the robust tackles that went in on Towell but were unpunished(not focusing on Pats players just recent examples). Refs need to be assisted properly and supported by the association. If that is retrospective heavy punishment dished out from TV evididence and is significant discouragement for players to cheat the job of reffing is an easier one. Refs are bad but it isnt all in their court all of the time!
While people may say that Cawleys assertion that refs should be more lenient in a derby or other high profile games is rubbish, well i believe that a level of common sense leniency should be given - dish out a yellow for every tackle in the first 10 minutes as a feisty game has 2 teams trying to get the early edge - then the bar is set for numerous sendings off, controversy and people calling for common sense, refs in a lose lose, so Cawley's opinion has some merit within reason.
Meenans sending off, well if had been a Drog player i'd have been saying hmmm maybe harsh, could be a yellow but can see why the red was dished, then i'd probably have chuckled and though tough sh*te! Sheilds well peno maybe as may have been hard to judge at full pelt, the ball clearly deviated making ye thing that he made contact with the ball, could have accepted the peno as one of those footballing things, I just dont get the sending off, if that red was a precedence then every mistimed tackle or foul in the box could be a red. It was an honest attempt to play the ball, there was defensive cover so last man or professional foul is not the rationale, violent conduct nope. Was it a red anywhere else on the pitch, highly unlikely so therefore not a red ever.
Im sure many can understand the frustration, Drogs will have a laugh about it and do plenty of winding up, some Dundalk fans will play the persecution card, others wont speak for a week. and while it may be puke worthy to some we still have had some season, uncovered a few gems, lifted attendences, moved toward a breakeven/small deficit financial year ahead of schedule. Stability at management level, soon with playing staff, European qualification and all after a season where relegation was a certainty bar Monagahan's Dundalk FC rescue bid!
There is no last-man rule. It was a goal-scoring opportunity (hence why Shields had to gamble and make the challenge) so if it's a foul it's a red according to the rules, but I think he got the ball. Meenan's was just a straight-forward red. I don't know why anyone would say otherwise, he came steaming in late and high with his studs showing.
Was it high? I don't recall it as being a high tackle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Judge for yourself: http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/734/478860/Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
He's about two feet off the ground at one point but he's lower when he actually makes contact. O'Conor is lucky he didn't have his studs planted otherwise his leg would be in two pieces right now.
a bit off the ground on impact.
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A few inches off the ground. I wouldn't call it high unless an ankle is considered high.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejadem
Jesus man, wise up a bit. Horrible challenge by Meenan.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
I've huge sympathy for Dundalk. Genuinely wanted them to hammer Drogs, but sympathy is slowly wearing very thin looking at their reactions.
They can feel ever so slightly aggrieved about two red cards, but 100% a penalty, and at very minimum, a yellow for Meenan given that he genuinely attempted to get the ball.
It's still not a high challenge. Let's keep it factual and stop embellishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
True, but impact on the standing leg would be a different matter even at that height.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
These two for starters. 2:01:16 and 1:56:20 http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10205612/Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Both should have been bookings and second one wasn't even a free???
There was also Drogheda handballs he let go and any 50/50 decision went in Drogheda's favour. His first half display was incompetence, his second half he had an agenda.
Look, it was a bad tackle and one that could have hurt O'Conor.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejadem
It was a definite yellow. I thought a red was harsh, but have seen them given in similar cases.
It was a pretty good game up to that point. Both teams were trying to play ball and avoid giving away fouls.
Are the reactions any worse than this?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Last man , covering defender, professional foul, call it whatever but have a look again it wasnt a clear goal scoring oppertunity with Andy Boyle about to put a block in if OBrien had carried through. It wasnt a penalty but if it had been given without a card i could accept that even if made no difference to the outcome, i cannot get the thought process behind the red card. Meenan i have no qualms with his card, it was rash and on a wet surface should know that momentum could carry him through the player risking the card!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Peno cover, it's close enough could have got a shot in, could have been blocked. Interestingly on the radio this morning Stephen Kenny described this as:
"3 defenders closing in from the other side".
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Just for yourself. Looks to me like he has loads of room to get his shot away even if the covering defender does come across.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
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Would the PFAI not come out and defend there players? Surely a statement on the disgrace of a ref needs to be issued
The fact he won the ball dosnt come into it no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yeah, certainly. I only had to preach my dismay once and be done with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Maybe they could, but then they would be releasing statements every couple of weeks. There have been many peno & red card incidents over the season that were wrong calls from refs, Chris Shields is not the first victim. What happens then? refs start to target players that have shown up their colleagues, it's not beyond them to do something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
I've stated several times before that I believe he got the ball. The debate is over whether the referee having decided he made a foul, if it was then to be considered a goal-scoring opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
Just for yourself the distance out and the closing covering defender means it was not a clear goal scoring chance! Getting a shot away does not make it a clear chance if he is going to be dealing with a block from the defender. Take Boyle out of that picture and there is no debate on the card. Look at it at full pace and you will also how quickly Boyle was closing down the gap in front of Cherrie. Anyhow we shall soon have the nuggets of wisdom rolled out by the MNS team and should have a refs rep on the panel. But like everything people will see what they want to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Looking at that pick again it is likely that OBrien would probably have tried to nutmeg Boyle by cutting inside to get the shot off.
For me Buttimer got the first decision 100% correct. As regards the second incident, it took me a few looks on TV replays to see that the defender got the ball, at the match I was convinced he didn't.
As regards the player getting across to block Fabios shot, nota chance, the key to it is where the ball was, it was on his left foot and while the defender might just MIGHT have blocked a right footed effort he was never getting across in time to block a left footed shot.
As I said I thinkthe ref got it wrong, but having given the foul the red card had to be issued.
All this dissecting of the decisions won't make any difference. I think the basic point that everyone agrees on is the standard of officiating in the league is very poor. Every team can point to countless decisions that were ridiculous and it's clear the referees are just bad as opposed to deliberately targeting any team. The problem for the referee in this case is that it was a high profile game on live TV and the two incidents were so close together. On the individual decisions I think the red for Meenan's was fair enough but Shields shouldn't have got a red even if it was a legitimate foul.
Anyway it's over now and its a pity our season has finished on a disappointment like this but we've had a fantastic year and sure who knows, maybe Pats will drop points in all their remaining games.......ok so I'm losing the run of myself now!
Everyone agress the Ref's need to be improved but the fact is nothing will ever be done about it.
Buttimer will prob get the final since it will be his last game, Another game ruined i imagine
Meenan's challenge a straight red all day long. Shields red a travesty of a decision.
I think the fact they people are arguing about the decisions shows they are no way clear cut. For me I can see why he gave Meenan the red, the second one I think was a peno but a red slightly harsh
Dundalk released a statement tonight...MegaLOLs
That Dundalk statement is embarrassing. Seriously Dundalk fans, ye should be looking for the club to take that down.
Didn't hear Stephen Kenny complaining at Cherrie not being sent off on Monday night against Derry
Dundalk statement is pure cringe! The back slapping is getting fowl! Yes, lads you have had a great season. It's been done before and will happen again!
Although Mr. Bond was probably the one who decided to post the statement. Classy!
Dundalk FC communicating with their own fans. Perhaps they couldn't care less what anonymous internet trolls think?
Ack, it's not that bad. The thing about the tickets was somewhat petty but not the level of crazy I was hoping for :(
Lol I was thinking the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
No matter how small our support is there was more home than away fans on Sunday. Not sure what is being referred to there! :-)
Little wrong with the statement! Basically a thanks for the support and the efforts(an ackowledgement that bar a miracle the season is trophyless), we were unfortunate in the semi but put it in context of the season, Europe is bonus territory and there are still 3 league games to go. Good luck to Sligo and Drogheda in the final. We will speak to the FAI about refereeing standards. We will move on and continue to try and build and improve. Even though tempers were up fans remained well behaved so another thanks. Wow hilarious stuff??? A little snipe on ticket sales but what about it?
Fair call on the Rafter booking, looked like a peno and not a dive though at least it was a comprehensive win - as Drogs fans have been saying since yesterday 'lucky but we shall take it'.
Tweaked yer post there for the purpose of accuracy ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by MiniMourinho
Do Drogheda give out free tickets? Perhaps he was referring to actual sales as opposed to attendance. In any case it doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniMourinho
Drogheda have a cup final to look forward to, good luck in that and I hope ye enjoy it.
Dundalk have to keep the spirts of everyone up and make sure that the season doesn't drizzle out. The club is at a crucial stage of renegotiating player contracts for next season and the 500 club has recently been launched. In both cases, it is important that fans see the positives of season and not the negative of Sunday. The statement is with both of those two things in mind. It is intended to be a morale booster for the fans to keep morale high.
The clubs needs fans to sign up for the 500 club to give Stephen Kenny the budget to compete at a higher level next season.
Some of the comments of fans of other clubs regarding the statement were ridiculous and completely ignorant of the who the audience was and why.
So you think your club should communicate with the FAI over the referee's performance? Should Derry do the same for having Rafter booked for diving when he was clearly fouled by Cherrie on Monday?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
No harm in "we're in this together" type statements but it comes across as playing the poor victim. Seems you're happy with that, so fair enough, but that doesn't mean others can't comment on it
Good statement, good communication. Don't see much wrong with it other than the bit of guff over tickets, not needed really.