But being totally ejected from the process for the 2nd year running is a disgrace.
Last year, the application was 'late'. Again it's all about who you are I guess. Derry and Cork were whisked back in without a second thought.
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But being totally ejected from the process for the 2nd year running is a disgrace.
Last year, the application was 'late'. Again it's all about who you are I guess. Derry and Cork were whisked back in without a second thought.
What more harm will it do? It will help towards preventing Galway United supporters being consumed by Connacht Rugby. It's happening as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
GUST ran Galway United for the 2011 season. They could have done a Monaghan and let the club fold. Are you seriously suggesting that GUST ran GUFC into the ground?
It's hardly as though GUST will take fans away from Mervue and Salthill!
No im not suggesting they ran it into the ground im suggesting if they did that good a job of keeping the show on the road then surely the show would still be on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufc2000
Gufc CEO wanted money from GUST or he would block licence of GUFC, Gust said we would not pay him so he withdrew GUFC from licence process last year, GUST applied for own licence last year and were turned downQuote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
The FAI realize the current mess is because of there being too many clubs. Going back to 3 clubs would create a division between GUST and the other 2 clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Ideally the solution would be for Mervue and SD to row in behind GUST's 'One Club, One City, One County' vision.
The one real problem is how slow this has all been. The FAI said there would be on-going talks through the season but nothing seems to have been done and now we're in exactly situation as s year ago.
Bluewhitearmy - I'm no great fan of GUST but the facts are they HAVE kept the show on the road. The fact the road is not the Airtricitt League is down to the FAI rejecting their application for being 'late'. They didn't take the cowards way out like
Monaghan, and instead fulfilled ther league fixtures. They have an U-19 team on the go this year, have secured a training ground, forged links with local clubs and the community which were there before but were destroyed after the cclub appointed a convicted fraudster as their marketing man, who then rose through the ranks to become CEO.
Yes, we celebrated wildly when promoted on the back of a DVD - who wouldn't have? - but we were burned for the experience and are now trying to do things right. The fact the FAI - not exactly hailed by LOI fans at the best of times - has consistently put obstacles in the path of GUST is not GUST's fault. Any bitterness from fans of other clubs in relation to the the DVD promotion is a bit stale at this stage, but I'd those fans can't see what's happening to fellow LOI fans, then that is a sad day for all genuine fans everywhere
Allowing teams without a fanbase has the LOI in this mess in the first fecking place. Fingal, Mons, Kildare, Kilkenny, Dublin City etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
GUST have a fanbase and if run properly should be a good addition to the league. FAI screwing it up again.
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Originally Posted by sullanefc
Based on what the 40-50 people at the 19s games?
Im sorry i have nothing against GUST but all the talk of em is pure guesswork.
Ok, went back to the 2011 Attendances thread and the last attendance summary is here. Galway Utd had an average attendance of 850, and that was in a season where they finished rock bottom of the Premier and were getting hammered every week. These fans are clearly not going to Salthill or Mervue. The LOI cannot afford to turn its back on a support base of this size. Are you telling me that if a team called Galway Utd were in the league next year then they wouldn't be tempted back? And don't compare the attendances of U19 games which are clearly not the same thing as senior LOI games.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
What exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
Seriously? Wise up. GUST already have a good fanbase, and the support of football all across Galway including 99% of the junior and intermediate teams. This alone, puts them streets ahead of both Mervue and Salthill.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
It was a thoroughly despressing moment when we realised that a group of about 50 Harps fans outnumbered the home support at our most recent visit to Terryland Park against SD Galway.
Oh for the love of . . . Okay, last year they insisted the GUST application was late, and no one would have a problem with that only for the fact both Derry City and Cork City FORAS Co-op were also late with their applications in previous seasons, but the rules were bent for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.
This time around, an aapplication for the information pack went ignored for a number of weeks, and now Delaney has said "thanks but no thanks". That's just 2 eexamples of how GUST has been treated
Ideally, 3 clubs in Galway would be based around the entire county, not the city.Quote:
Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
But as they don't, Mervue and Salthill have no obligation to do what the big trust from the city want them to do. They earned their place in the league by right, kept their house in order, and they have every right to be in the league. It's not like there are 20,000 people from Galway waiting to throng Terryland every couple of weeks if the big city club get their way.
Its not 20,000 but it IS about 850. Which is a hell of a lot better than Salthill or Mervue.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
As I said, it's hardly as if Galway are going to take supporters away from Mervue and Salthill, but that's no reason why Mervue and Salthill shouldn't be in the league. 3 clubs in Galway isn't going to kill football in the city. If any of the clubs aren't viable, licensing should by rights take care of it. If GUST have a viable plan for a club that satisfies the letter of the law with regard to licensing, they should be allowed in. As should any other club. There's enough fudge in the league as it is.
Can anybody explains to me why neither Salthill nor Mervue has gone bust yet? Surely the underage sides aren't funding this folly?
We were talking about this the other actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I assume their players are paid a pittance. The money can't come from the senior set-up.
I mind going to the Drom and not being charged in. Madness.
They get a euro for every time a Galway fan complains about the attendances they give at games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
SD have got a lot of help from the FAI haven't they? Renting Terryland and the like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Allowing them a license to play in Drom is 'help' enough from the fudge lords.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
I don't think Salthill pay their players, so it is possible to continue by getting a subsidy from their underage set-up. Did Mervue pay their players last season (however small) ? Is it possible to find out for sure if the FAI paid the rent on Terryland for Salthill last year ? Soccer in Galway at present is a disaster and letting in another team, the GUST, is the only way I can see out this mess. Then the club that can best run it's affairs and performs best on the field will emerge for the group and be the club that represents Galway.
Mervue and Salthill don't pay their players
They have plenty of sponsors and do alot of fundraising. Both clubs are very well run, they have their debts but when you look at the facilities in place the investment has clearly been worth it. And they don't rely on attendances to pay anyone, they've come into the league and been exemplary in financial terms. And given the way some clubs have gone in the past few years ( Galway Utd being the biggest basket case), that should be enough to allow them to continue in the league.
A gust meeting tonight in deacy park well attended by around 100 and not one said the other 2 shouldnt get a licence. Gust have a plan .well done to all that turned up. Btw tman2 you can be sure in time honoured loi culture the other 2 local clubs are out fundraising tonite to clear the debt hangover from this year never mind the next season. After 35 years of it im surw they will have a problem or two facilities or no facilities. facilties in drom have taken a big hit on usage this year with the sour taste of sd and two local juvenile clubs have affected their underage recruits this year according to localsQuote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman2
What's the plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer
"The Galway United Supporters Trust was created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan."
I think the first line is a white lie as my granny used to say, Amateurs still have to be paid expenses dont the or at least they might have been told they were but it never materialised . You dont know much about yhe LOI if you think gufc was one of the biggest basket cases .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman2
So its definite that they will all come back for GUST FC then? How do we know that an awful lot of them havent given up on LOI over the mess? Galway United are dead and there is no guarantee GUST would have the same level of support as they had.Its all guesswork.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
What support base have GUST then not what Galway United had or anything GUST what fanbase have they? Is there any proof they have the backing of 99% of these teams apart from them saying it? Ive had a few from Galway tell me they hope GUST never get back in ill be honest i have had more that say they do but not by that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
You go by what you hear then. I'll stick with what I hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Also, Mervue players supposedly get paid in fuel vouchers.
SD Galway said that they would pay their players at the beginning of the season, stopped after a few weeks. Mervue United pay their players expenses. Anyone who thinks that players with Premier Division experience will travel up and down to Wexford and Ballybofey for a deep and abiding love of their club is a bit naive !Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman2
The GAA decide one day that the Limerick senior hurlers should be kicked out of the championship, and replaced by Claughan and Abbey Sarsfields. Lunacy. Most Limerick fans stay away, a lot of them head for Thomond Park. Are you telling me that would be acceptable to regular GAA fans? And then, when there was a chance of readmitting a new-look Limerick, the argument that people would stay away holds water?
I've started a petition to request fair and equitable treatment for a united Galway club.
Galway United ST have been told they cannot apply as they are involved in the Ned O'Connor process. Mervue and Salthill Devon are also involved in the same process but are being allowed apply.
There is an open call for expressions of interest from new and existing clubs around the country. Just not those lads with the backing of the majority of the junior clubs in their catchment area (as evidenced by written letters of support).
Please sign it and share it.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/g...loi/signatures
If the csl is agreed between all parties in galway the two existing clubs will get access to the intermediate and fai cubs which is the pathway they wanted all along for players. The supporters and players and majority of clubs want one competitive team out of terryland. Control of the future of loi football in the region coul be taken back from the fai if we all go in together on the back of one of the licences coming west and playing from deacy park in 2013 it would save lot of moneyy for the existing 2 clubs a bit of leadership is whats required now
I know nothing of the Galway football scene other than away trips to Terryland so perhaps I just don`t get it. Last time Galway were in the league they were terrible, hammered every week. Every paper or MNS were blaming "3 teams in Galway". If they were getting 850 at the gate despite the football then its hardly not viable. That's comparable to Bray, Dundalk, Drogheda this year, better than UCD and streets ahead of what Mons did.
Its been pretty clear from this season that SD and Mervue were not competing for Gufc fans and are unlikely to ever be big clubs. Removing one or two of the teams does not lead to benefits for the survivor. SD and Mervue appear well run so they should be able to stay in the league also. Gufc/gust should also be in, god knows we need the teams - so I don't get what the FAI are on about. I have to assume they just don't like someone at gufc or gust and its just an excuse. Surely something like that can be sorted by a mature organisation like the FAI....oh wait
Mayo League and Castlebar Celtic were both apparently invited separately to apply for the First Division but turned it down according to someone who would know.
Perhaps the FAI feel GUST aren't the group they want to be fronting the new Galway club? So there's no point in trying to railroad all parties into 1 Galway club for next season, it's better to have a viable solution in the long term and if it takes a year to get this right then so be it.
That's what seems to be coming out of this. The FAI don't feel that GUST are capable of running a senior LOI team. Lets be fair, the only experience they have of running a club is the infamous 1 year in charge of GUFC and the u19 team they currently run. So that's shag all experience. In that sense I can see exactly where they're coming from.
GUST have far more experience than Cork or Derry had.
GUST did an incredible job considering it was incredibly unlikely the club could be kept afloat for more than a month or two. You can spread your lies amongst the players and around town, but anyone with any cop on knows what the story is.
You keep throwing the issue of debts that existed before GUST were involved at us.
Kick the can down the road is Naughton and the FAI's game. Play people in Galway off each other and keep the chairman position by licking the arse of Mervue and Salthill by blocking the rest of Galway football at every turn.
"I can see exactly where they are coming from" What a load of s
So you're denying that when there was talks of a merger between Mervue and GUST and Salthill and GUST last season, one of the GUST conditions was that they'd be bringing a sizeable 5 figure debt with them into either Mervue/Salthill? Some people aren't being open and honest with youQuote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
FORAS had no experience of running a LOI club when the FAI granted them a licence. What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman2
Oh the irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman2
The deal you have with Naughton is a disgrace.