Surely "forcibly merged" is an interpretation.
Whereas, a 'merging of the two associations' is a proposition.
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Surely "forcibly merged" is an interpretation.
Whereas, a 'merging of the two associations' is a proposition.
Er, you are mistaken. Think I said way up thread, my contacts from Beal-feirste are from The Falls and the Short Strand. Check yer facts please!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Or indicative of the 'P' word.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The idea of a mergerd team implies the abolition of both existing teams, and as far as I can recollect no-one has ever suggested that such a proposition could be achieved through coercion. This forum has tolerated discussion of this idea without anyone being banned or the idea itself being presented as advocating the abolition of the ROI side. However you present this GR, the breadth of tolerance on this site greatly exceeds that demonstrated on OWC. Not only are racists and insulting allusions to the ROI side routinely bandied about, from what I have read, they are never challenged or refuted by more reasonably minded contributors. Its always difficult to separate chickens from eggs, but the siege mentality and erection of intellectual barricades is not just a reaction to the defection of players like Duffy et al, but it is sympomatic of a default mindset that is actually part of the cause for these defections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Absolute rubbish. Worst things have been said on this site than that, without punishment. Indeed, you are always suggesting that we should merge with England as that is where our players etc. Have you got so much as a yellow card? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
I can think of just two reasons that this sort of thing is so touchy on Are We a Country?: One is that 'merging' both Irish associations is a serious proposition to the general unionist community. As you have argued before, Northern Ireland fans aren't going to vote their team out of existence, but one poll from the BBC suggests that Northern Ireland's population could. The other is that the people who run it and decide who can post are a bunch of bigoted f*ckwits. :loser:
And while I'm at it, what about our dear friend Davros? Banned on here - undoubtedly after continually crossing the line - for using the 'P' word, even though he is from that 'tradition' himself. Unlike our wee minds who use terms such as thieving gypsies to describe us not just in people's posts, whose tolerance are down to selective defence of free speech, but also in the site's own fanzine. If this belief is for the benefit of the children back home, fair enough, but I know you are intelligent enough to know that both sites can't be compared.
Depends if the word 'forcibly' is used by the person making the proposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Hasn't the OWC set its "name and shame!" campaign in motion yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
The unruly little upstart. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Answers on a postcard as to who is responsible for this (last paragraph):-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Magnay
They're getting desperate now.
Somebody with BT as their internet provider in Dumbarton, north-west of Glasgow acccording to their ip address.Quote:
Originally Posted by greendeiseboy
After the first alteration by that Dumbite, someone edited it to read
'In March 2010 Magnay revealed that he has opted instead to declare for the Republic of Ireland as in all fairness who would want to play for the North?'
Wiki edit history
Wow, what kind of sick twisted bigot would go to the trouble of edi...........oh, no, wait, that's probably from a ROI fan. Carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The Dumbarton editor falls under the thread's "beyond question" standards, it is beyond question that he/she is illiterate, as in uncultured and poorly educated. :)
I think I've seen mention of this lad before. Leeds went to the FA with a complaint that he, along with another lad I believe, had been illegally approached by Chelski.
Presuming he was a Nordie, perhaps they would have benefited from an Irish education....Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Rather than their lame anti-Catholic/Irish agenda in the osc!
That Carl Magnay guy turned down NI because he wants to play for England not Ireland.
That's what he told the IFA anyways. I personally think he is just looking to make a career in professional football for himself and whatever international side he plays for is ultimately irrelevant. His international prospects are far greater with the North than with us so it's either a brave or foolish career decision on his part to choose us. Time will tell if he made the right decision but I can't say I'm overly excited about his promotion from our feeder team.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
Can we not get a ransom for him?
The IFA can't afford to pay a ransom what with;Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
payoffs to former employees,
commitments to bankrolling Linfield,
the costs of glamour football festivals in Albania,
the costs of their football for all programme (apparently that costs lots and lots of money), and
the costs of constant whinging and begging to FIFA, CAS and the like to get the goal posts moved.
The IFA is so broke that they can't even afford the ink and paper required to sign contracts with their managers. To save expense, verbal agreements or so called gentleman agreements are being used. Will they ever learn ..... ;)
Terrible turn of events.
Good luck to him, regardless of where his international allegiance lies.
http://www.cfcnet.co.uk/2010/03/18/m...-about-career/
Sounds like somebody in Dumbarton was playing with their voodoo doll.
Daniel Devine (PNE), has been named in the NI under 19 squad for their international friendly against Spain next week.
Maybe he ran into Don Givens? :rolleyes:
Could it be that he was named in the squad, despite making his decision to change? Has been named in any ROI squads?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Interestingly, a poll on the Belfast Telegraph is currently in favour of allowing people from the north to play for the Republic, leading some posters around the world wide web to label it as a 'fix!'.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-14708795.html
Daniel Devine was one of 30 players to be called into the Irish U-19 training camp last month :
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...r-19&Itemid=12
Yeah, but he was named in the NI U19 squad today: http://www.irishfa.com/the-ifa/news/...take-on-spain/
I was wondering if he had been included in any ROI match squads. Beaglehole could possibly have named him in the squad, despite him saying he wanted to play for ROI, like Worthington did with Duffy. Maybe there was a breakdown in communication or a mistake. For example, there are two Chris Currans in that NI U19 squad...
It could well be a 'fix'.............that's if the other poll the Belfast Telegraph just completed is anything to go by. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14721135.html
Those polls are quite amusing, though probably flawed.
Some of their responses, highlight the paranoia mentioned above. And just shows the delusional state of certain people on the island!
They started a thread about the poll on Are We A Country. Didn't like they way it was 60/40 in favour yesterday so decided to mess with the figures by using multiple votes. tutt! tutt!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Even explained that if you clear your cookies each time, you can vote as many times as you like.
Very insecure those lads !
Flawed? Much more than that. All you do is clear your cookies and vote again!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Mr.P.
As I'm sure yer familiar with elections in the North, multiple voting there is not exactly a new phenomenon.....
But doesn't stop the 'results' being a reason to smile. Especially, as CDG says, the losers did the best to fix it in their favour! Which just shows the weakness of their 'argument'.
Ronnie O'Brien: Time Magazine Man of the Century
that is all :wink:
That OWC couldn't hit a barn door from 5m.
Can't even win a rigged vote on their own doorstep.
the issue of replacing God Save The Queen was debated on Off The Ball last night with of the Kenny Donaldson, UUP spokesman on the community and voluntary sector, it's on the playback service at http://media.newstalk.ie/
That's one interpretation, I suppose; another might be that when it comes to rigging these things, OWC members are not so adept or practiced as their opponents. Or even that with around 1,000 (?) reasonably active posters from a total membership of a few thousand, OWC's "circulation" is drastically lower than that of the Belfast Telegraph.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Either way, that (Tony O'Reilly-controlled) Bellylaugh poll has about as much credibility as eg this Poll by your National Broadcaster:
http://www.rte.ie/tv/irelandsgreatest/
I mean to say, Ronan Keating and Stephen Gately?
What the Hell is wrong with the other Members of the Band?
As both a musical genius and a thespian of Olivier proportions, Keith Duffy is a veritable Renaissance Man, yet he doesn't get a mention!
I am reminded of the phrase by James Joyce, where he characterised Ireland as being like "The old Sow that eats its own Farrow" - not that that nonentity deserves to be in such a Poll...
Thanks for the alert, but is it available yet? I've checked through the OTB playback schedule and the most recent edition I can find is 18th March. Maybe I'm missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Anyhow, for anyone interested, OWC ran two Polls on the topic of replacing GSTQ as the NI footballing anthem last year and with a healthy response of about 700-odd voters in each, returned a clear 2:1 majority in favour of change.
This exercise is being repeated at the moment, and with 326 votes cast so far, the response is 236 (= 76.4%) to 77 (=23.6%) in favour of............
...replacing GSTQ.
Therefore if this indicates anything about the mindset of your average OWC member, it is that by a 3:1 majority (and rising?), we must all be implacable, Loyalist Bigots (or "small-minded refusniks", as one poster on here so charmingly phrased it) :rolleyes:
a bit more accurate guidance to the Newstalk OTB program.
http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/
off the ball - monday - part 3
from 30mins on to 40 mins approx
Interview with Kenny Donaldson, a cheerful chap who states in the interview that he is a practicing Unionist :confused:
He says that the atmosphere at WP has radically changed from what it was some years ago.
Did he also say "Phil the Coulter" ?
a sort of a Percy French slip of the tongue.
Interesting. Might be time to set up a poll for what you'd replace it with?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Teenage Kicks? How cool an anthem would that be!!!
Imo you're being highly disingenuous with that interpretation of your experience on OWC, Predator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
For when, following a period of "lurking", you first started posting on the Board (around the France play-off), you received little or no adverse comment. However, when you took exception to some (only some, btw) of the response to the Duffy defection, your attitude visibly hardened.
Now that's fair enough, except that a hardening of attitude in response to what you consider to be unreasonable remarks is one thing. It is quite another when you descend to petty, even risible, argument* to try to bolster your case.
When you did that, you should not be surprised if people began to consider you a troll.
P.S. You may not be aware of it, but one of the posters with whom you have had the strongest run-ins is actually a fellow Donegal man. However, unlike you, he supports a local club team (Harps), not one from another county (country?) at all...
* - For those who don't know, Predator strongly defended the motives, manner and timing of Duffy's switch, which is fair enough. Except that when presented with clearly contradictory and damning evidence of Duffy/his Da saying one thing, whilst simultaneously doing something quite different, rather than withdrawing gracefully, Predator tried to rely on the "defence" that the guy posting on OWC as "Duffs" was not in fact who he claimed to be (Duffy's Da). Pathetic, really...
You said it, Predator, "some" posters. In my experience (admittedly limited to a bare handful of MB's), every such forum has its share of "silly" posters, including this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
Indeed, I have had exactly the same reaction here i.e. "what are you even doing on this Board?" etc. Imo, the proper reaction is to stand your ground and make your point (ideally without resorting to the sort of weak or "silly" argument you employ, when backed into a corner)
Speaking of "silly", why can you not see that the likes of eg Norwood and Gibson are different in one crucial aspect, namely that Norwood has grandparents born within the jurisdiction of the Association he wishes to represent, whilst Gibson does not. The correct comparison with Norwood should be the likes of James McCarthy, or your beloved Shane Duffy, both of whom comply with the (ancestral/residential) eligibility requirements imposed on every other single footballer on the planet who wishes to represent an Association within whose jurisdiction he was not born.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
As for the de facto sectarian nature of the FAI's recruitment policy, as every new case of defection emerges, the incontrovertible fact that they are exclusively from the Nationalist/Catholic community, combined with the equally incontrovertible evidence of the FAI being prepared to make the first approach, points ever more directly to the point that they are only offering opportunities to one community in NI.
Which, considering the FAI's deceit over "not making the first approach", makes sense i.e. if they were to approach promising youngsters from the Unionist/Protestant community, they would risk being turned down flat, and their activities being exposed for all to see.
Still, we're the bigots in all this...
It's definitely there, I was listening to it myself this morning. I listened to it a few times to get his name and position correctQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Kenny states right at the start that this is his personal opinion and not that of the UUP
Click "Listen Back"
Scroll down to Off The Ball, and select it
Click Monday 22nd
It's in Part 3, about 30 minutes in
Might be a different result if they followed Kenny's suggestion!Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
You are not delusional TetsQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I have already given the link for Listen Back
The problem for some might be where to find 'listen back' on the newstalk site as there is no obvious link.
The 'listen back' link can be found at the bottom of the home page under 'Most Popular'