Peadar,
Just to acknowledge your points. Don't agree with them but will consider a wider justified response.
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Peadar,
Just to acknowledge your points. Don't agree with them but will consider a wider justified response.
Okay, frankly thats a matter of opinion. My vision for an All-Ireland team would be a sharing of stadia , pooling of resources that helps both sets of Ireland players and supporters experience major tournaments more regularly and even working together to host a major tournament (and needless to add, the benefits of an All-Ireland League). Yes its extremely idealistic but i see absolutely no problem with the NI flag and the tricolour being waved side by side, representing a one-island team. Never gonna happen though-not in the near future anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
All the NI supporters on this thread, as well as many of your own fans, have told you repeatedly that we aren't interested in an all-Ireland football team. All Northern Ireland fans pretty much by definition agree. If you and the other stirrers on here want to make any more of an issue of it, do it amongst yourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo
1. While I would understand the probable opposition to the Tricolour being used, I would suggest that people should remind themselves of the symbolism contained within it. Failing that, a four province flag would be an acceptable alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo
2. Perhaps a new anthem could be written, although Ireland's Call works for the rugger heads, right? Is it you SD, that sees Ireland's Call as 'PC tripe'? If so, could you explain why? I would see no problem with being inclusive if it would mean a re-united Irish nation and football team.
3. Player selection would be as expected. Pick the best players who are available and willing to play for their country.
4. This is probably a bit out there, but perhaps we could rotate venues in each of the four provinces for friendlies and such? Belfast, Galway, Cork, Dublin? The problem would be finding or building suitable stadia. However, given that the infrastructure is already in place in Dublin, it's the obvious preference.
Where would the new 'merged' football association be based? There should be offices in each province. I'd be willing to accept these kinds of changes in favour of an all-Ireland team. Why not?
Read the rest of the thread and stop stirring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
GR I respect your points of view and I've read through the thread. Call it stirring all you want, but I encourage as much logical and reasoned discussion on this matter. My 'why not?' sentiment was more indicative of my stance on this and if you don't like that then fine, don't reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
Yeah, you'd wonder why they do.
You've had- repeated ad nauseam on the thread- a clear reply to the suggestion and implied invitation in the thread title. None of your (plural) various responses thereafter have been sufficiently logical nor reasoned to actually accept this original reply. Let me put it slightly more starkly: we ain't interested in joining your football team even if you encourage all our fans to wear berets, smoke gauloises and play the fcuking accordion to accompany the national anthems. OK?
But what if we were interested in joining yours.....
;)
And although you seem to have embraced a 'Gallic' theme (Is that the 'Britishness' in you coming out;thought you were claiming some sort of 'Irishness) ??), surely the bowler hats, drum 'n' bass and bonfires is more your type of gesture?
No contradictions there with that kind of statement. :rolleyes:
Hold on, this is a discussion thread. I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I have respectfully listened to your views on this. It is perfectly fair if as you say that the majority of NI fans are totally against the idea of an AI team and I accept that. My opinion is that the existence of such a team would benefit both Irelands in terms of footballing success. If there is vehement opposition to such a proposal so be it. But as mentioned this is a discussion forum where people offer opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
And as for 'Ireland's Call', my skin crawls when I here such a cheesy, meaningless, lyrically feeble piece of garbage being sung in place of my national anthem. Fine, if its inappropriate to sing Ámhrán na bhFiann or GSTQ, at least come up with a more accomplished alternative. No offence to your Derry compatriot Predator!;)
Like it or not, so long as it remains part of the UK, GSTQ is the NA for NI. It is the equivalent of the SS. And whether or not it reflects people's views is neither here nor there. It's the anthem and should be afforded the same respect as any other anthem.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Judging by the evidence i.e. their posts, your fellow countrymen are much more pro-royal than I have been, or would ever be. And those that I know still live in the RoI(or at least did when I saw them last).Quote:
Those posters on OWC, of which I am one, I'd say are simply sensitive to a somewhat delicate situation, like myself. Most may also live in Northern Ireland JohnB. (and be fairly enlightened)
But we shouldn't require sympathy, just a level playing field and, the IRFU have failed to provide this. This, added to the whole host of other reasons discussed on this thread demonstrate I think why NI fans would never warm to the idea of an all-Ireland team.Quote:
For the record - I have always had much sympathy for players and supporters from Northern Ireland at Irish rugby matche
United by insomnia;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo
I don't know anyone from NI who doesn't consider themselves Irish (or Northern Irish). But your very narrow view of Irishness, based on myth, would not suit many, certainly not me. Legends are interesting, but they tell us very little about who we are in a modern context. And all this stuff about being non-native? (not your phrase Scooby). It's very odd from many persectives, not least when we analyse the movement of gaelic-speaking people into what we now call Scotland. When they returned en masse many centuries later, were they returning natives?
Personally, I prefer the mongrel view. We're a mish-mash of settlers from across the ages and actually, our political and historic perspective is based mainly on our upbringing, rather than the blood of our forefathers.
We will have to agree to disagree on that one. It is Northern Ireland that is being represented, not the UK. It has to have it's own official, cross-community anthem. GTSQ is neither of these and I'm afraid it is 'here or there' whether it reflects/represents the people of Northern Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnB
Pro-royal :confused:..............how so?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnB
The IRFU has not failed to provide it, Northern Ireland as an entity has failed to provide it by not having it's own anthem, in common with the Scot's and the Welsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnB
Wouldn't agree entirely, but the most objective view to date emanating from the North.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnB
But you need to share this with more than one or two of your, er, compatriots, based on previous experience and the stance of the political parties that represents the vast majority of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc34JKvCQ3Q feeling mischievous JohnB, but check out 2.45. Funny stuff! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnB
You've got me wrong anyway I'm just saying that the great mythology of Ulster is one of the more important cornerstones of Irish/Gaelic identity and to see the concept of Ulster usurped by staunch unionism annoys me - rightly or wrongly.
(one example) http://gaelico.files.wordpress.com/2...ainn-mural.jpg
But it is only one part of Irish identity, i admit, as important as it is.
^ sweet Jesus! That's wrong and funny on so many levels.
Oh! while on the subject of murals, apparently one of Thierry Henry is going up on the Shankill Road.
That is the most pathetic, juvenile thing i've heard in a long time. NI never ceases to amaze me.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Prepare to be amazed a bit more Scooby!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo
It's reported that the mural, which has just been started, will depict Henry with a red-hand, as in the Red-Hand of Ulster, and sporting a Glasgow Rangers top.
Note - this is what is being reported, so don't quote me on it. We'll just have to wait for it to be finished for confirmation, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it is indeed true. Oh well!
Have you a link for this?! I hope its a wind up!!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
They'll never appeal to me - of that I can assure you.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Can you please get your head around the fact that I am British and Irish?
Will you accept the democratically expessed wishes of the vast majority of people in your jurisdiction that uphold, and respect, my right to be both?
I seek in no way to assert my "Britishness" agressively, or triumphiantly, upon anyone.
I am "native" to the island of Ireland....born and bred, like generations of my family before me.
I'm not going away.
I can also assure you the nobody will be asserting their narrow, myopic, view of "Irishness" upon me.