FAI Investigate Alleged Racist Abuse Of Zayed

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16/06/2011, 2:03 PM
hoops1

Ye I seen that too.
Why havent Derry or Zayed come out and said for definite what the comment made was?
16/06/2011, 2:05 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by sundance kid

Nonsense for starters. I saw the comment before it was removed and you were warned. It was homophobic and you know it.

Just as "Gypoweb" is rascist you mean ? Entitled to your view on other forums (actually admire your taste for once ;)) feel free to express them there. Now, do let us know where you are on alledged rascist comment by shams player (diversionary tactics not working)
16/06/2011, 2:10 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by hoops1

Why havent Derry or Zayed come out and said for definite what the comment made was?

I'd assume they were told not to until the investigation was finished.
16/06/2011, 2:12 PM
sundance kid

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Just as "Gypoweb" is rascist you mean ? Entitled to your view on other forums (actually admire your taste for once ;)) feel free to express them there. Now, do let us know where you are on alledged rascist comment by shams player (diversionary tactics not working)

while anything is still alleged, i've a sit back and let the authorities get on with it attitude. maybe that's the wrong way to be, but that's the way i am.
homophobia is just plain wrong though, hopefully you've matured a bit since the aftermath of your last trip to tallaght
16/06/2011, 2:12 PM
hoops1

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Just as "Gypoweb" is rascist you mean ? Entitled to your view on other forums (actually admire your taste for once ;)) feel free to express them there. Now, do let us know where you are on alledged rascist comment by shams player (diversionary tactics not working)

You were on your own forum calling Buzz a faggot. You have some neck I tell you
16/06/2011, 2:15 PM
SwanVsDalton

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Originally Posted by hoops1

Why havent Derry or Zayed come out and said for definite what the comment made was?

You're joking right? It's an ongoing investigation whose outcome is yet to be determined. You'd hardly be happy if a yet to be proven allegation against a Rovers player was made public for all to read.
16/06/2011, 2:16 PM
A N Mouse

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Originally Posted by Dodge

So we�ve gone from a moral argument to a legal one. And wiki tells us so.

What moral argument? That what was said wasn't racist?

Surely that depends on how you define racism?

And that is, basically, the same definition used by the fai in their literature.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Or you could let us decide what we want to take offence to.

I can no more tell which slurs and stereotypes you should take offence at, than other posters here can tell Mr Zayed.

I was merely pointing out that in modern parlance race no longer refers, just, to the colour of someone's skin.
16/06/2011, 2:28 PM
hoops1

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

You're joking right? It's an ongoing investigation whose outcome is yet to be determined. You'd hardly be happy if a yet to be proven allegation against a Rovers player was made public for all to read.

The player has already been accused of Racism, if the player denies it was a racist comment or alleges himself that it was not of a racist nature. What both are claiming should be revealed. Its at the centre of the issue. He should be able to say I didnt say that i said this. The rovers player cant defend himself publicly, yet can be called a racist in public.
16/06/2011, 2:34 PM
SwanVsDalton

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Originally Posted by hoops1

The player has already been accused of Racism, if the player denies it was a racist comment or alleges himself that it was not of a racist nature. What both are claiming should be revealed. Its at the centre of the issue. He should be able to say I didnt say that i said this. The rovers player cant defend himself publicly, yet can be called a racist in public.

He has defended himself publicly, he's denied it. If you're worried about the player's reputation, it'd be more damaged by full public disclosure of the accusation.
16/06/2011, 2:36 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

You're joking right? It's an ongoing investigation whose outcome is yet to be determined. You'd hardly be happy if a yet to be proven allegation against a Rovers player was made public for all to read.

Then why come public about ANY allegation (as Kenny has)?
16/06/2011, 2:45 PM
SwanVsDalton

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Then why come public about ANY allegation (as Kenny has)?

Couldn't tell ye. Mistake? Post-match anger? FAI encouraged it? Kenny loves a microphone? All of the above? As said before don't think it matters, since story would've broke fairly quickly one way or the other anyway. What can be kept close, however, is the full details of the investigation and I can't think of a single reason why any Rovers fan would want it made public.
16/06/2011, 2:51 PM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by hoops1

The player has already been accused of Racism, if the player denies it was a racist comment or alleges himself that it was not of a racist nature. What both are claiming should be revealed. Its at the centre of the issue. He should be able to say I didnt say that i said this. The rovers player cant defend himself publicly, yet can be called a racist in public.

An unspecified player has been called a racist in public. If the FAI decides not to take action his name will not be released. I really don't see how putting his name all over the news is going to help him.
16/06/2011, 2:52 PM
Mr A

Should we all be racists now?

Only I spend the whole day working and I'm quite tired by the time I get home and just like to have a cup of tea, so I'm not sure I can devote myself fully to the old racism.
16/06/2011, 3:01 PM
hoops1

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

An unspecified player has been called a racist in public. If the FAI decides not to take action his name will not be released. I really don't see how putting his name all over the news is going to help him.

No need to put his name anywhere I agree CD, but the club could put the players side forward defending him and in turn defending the club. Leading to a more balanced covering of the incident.
16/06/2011, 3:05 PM
SwanVsDalton

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Originally Posted by hoops1

No need to put his name anywhere I agree CD, but the club could put the players side forward defending him and in turn defending the club. Leading to a more balanced covering of the incident.

Presumably the club are putting their defence case in the investigation, in the same way DCFC are likely putting their case in the investigation (as opposed to in public). The only thing made public is the accusation and denial - I think that's balanced. But if you feel aggrieved, and the player's innocent, just think of all the unbalanced flak Derry and Zayed will get if Rovers and player are exonerated.
16/06/2011, 3:12 PM
White Horse

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Originally Posted by sundance kid

homophobia is just plain wrong though..

My kid came home on evening a said they got a talk at school on how bad a thing homophobia is.

He said "Dad, homophobia is really gay".

I could only laugh at the irony.
16/06/2011, 3:14 PM
hoops1

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

just think of all the unbalanced flak Derry and Zayed will get if Rovers and player are exonerated.

Well thats it in a nutshell, I hate to break this to you but there isnt enough evidence to say who is telling the truth. Nothing will come it.
Now when its finished will there be countless pages in the papers, coverage on the 6.1 news, radio interviews saying by the way no one was found guilty of Rascim, of course not. It will be well he was racially abused but they couldnt prove it.
16/06/2011, 3:16 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by horton

Gotta love this forum, ye'z are debating what the correct terminology should be for whatever Zayed is claiming was said to him rather that what should be done against the offender/stop it happening again. I noticed part of one of Shams press releases on this has retracted a particular paragraph, I wonder why. . . .

whats that about?
16/06/2011, 3:20 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by hoops1

You were on your own forum calling Buzz a faggot. You have some neck I tell you

The insinuation being made here is that the gypoweb was homophobic as a result of a couple of ill advised posts. I just want to point out that the posts were deleted and the poster reprimanded by posters and moderators for his comments.

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Originally Posted by hoops1

Well thats it in a nutshell, I hate to break this to you but there isnt enough evidence to say who is telling the truth. Nothing will come it.
Now when its finished will there be countless pages in the papers, coverage on the 6.1 news, radio interviews saying by the way no one was found guilty of Rascim, of course not. It will be well he was racially abused but they couldnt prove it.

if it cannot be proven, you lot should probably just count yourself blessed that you managed to dodge another bullet instead of looking for apologies. Do an OJ - pokerface it and hope for the best.
16/06/2011, 3:25 PM
SwanVsDalton

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Originally Posted by hoops1

Well thats it in a nutshell, I hate to break this to you but there isnt enough evidence to say who is telling the truth. Nothing will come it.
Now when its finished will there be countless pages in the papers, coverage on the 6.1 news, radio interviews saying by the way no one was found guilty of Rascim, of course not. It will be well he was racially abused but they couldnt prove it.

So? It works both ways. Just as valid to speculate, in that scenario, Zayed and Derry being totally furious at a case of racial abuse going unpunished. Maybe you should wait for an actual outcome before playing the victim.

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