Republic of Ireland V Netherlands - Sunday, 11th September 2023 - Euro 2024 Qualifier

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11/09/2023, 8:02 PM
JR89

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Originally Posted by yurt

Does anyone have a ballpark figure of the cost it'd be for the FAI to pay off the rest of Kenny's contract? It seems like it's the only real reason to keep him on at this stage.

Unless the FAI already have his replacement then I probably wouldn't pull the trigger because it seems at least like the players are still playing for him. Although unfortunately it is clear after the Greek and Dutch games that his in game management just isn't at the standard required.

I really wanted things to work out for this manager and the group of young players but unfortunately it isn't to be. Even though his time in charge can't be called a success by any stretch I have at least looked forward to all of the national team's games again. It's all I wanted when he took the job and he did that but sooner or later you need to pick up a few results.

I think the fixture he'll regret the most is Armenia away. It looks likely that even a point from that game would have made the difference for us to get a playoff. If we knew that we were more likely than not for a playoff at this stage I think a lot more people would be more inclined to let him see out the campaign.

�135K if the rumour of three months pay as a compensation is true.
11/09/2023, 8:31 PM
backstothewall

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Originally Posted by JR89

�135K if the rumour of three months pay as a compensation is true.

If someone wants to organise a whip round I'll happily throw a few quid into a bucket.

But seriously. Why is he still there? What are they waiting on?
11/09/2023, 8:56 PM
JR89

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Originally Posted by backstothewall

If someone wants to organise a whip round I'll happily throw a few quid into a bucket.

But seriously. Why is he still there? What are they waiting on?

Hill is doing a media briefing this Thursday regarding the Vera Pauw situation. Might get announced then he's gone or that they'll wait until end of the month when the board meets to announce any decision.

Even if they announced now that he's gone they still mightn't have a permanent replacement in place for Octobers games. So announcing it now or September 26th will likely make no difference. Also it might be that in the background they've made the decision that his time is over and shock us with an announcement on the 26th of he's gone and this is our next permanent manager

Think Cummiskey reported back in June that Marc Canham and Hill will play the biggest roles on who the next manager is. If Canham is involved would assume he's been working away in the background since June on finding candidates for the possibility that qualification would end in September.
11/09/2023, 9:03 PM
Colbert Report

There's no advantage to sacking him now. The FAI could spend years in court arguing over whether we'd have made the playoff had we kept him on. The time to sack him was years ago, when it was obvious he hadn't a clue. Nice guy, and I hate to see anyone losing their job, but he's set Irish football back a decade or more with his naivety.
11/09/2023, 9:15 PM
Calcio Jack

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Originally Posted by JR89

�135K if the rumour of three months pay as a compensation is true.

That rumour isn�t true - terms of his contract allow the FAI to dismiss him with immediate effect at no cost.
11/09/2023, 9:18 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

The FAI could spend years in court arguing over whether we'd have made the playoff had we kept him on.

Not if they pay up his contract they wouldn't?

He's missed out on nothing then, and presumably his contract expires in November
11/09/2023, 9:40 PM
Colbert Report

He could argue in court that if he'd been allowed to stay, we'd have made the playoff.
11/09/2023, 9:40 PM
Colbert Report

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Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

That rumour isn�t true - terms of his contract allow the FAI to dismiss him with immediate effect at no cost.

If this post is true, why have the FAI stuck with him so long? Madness. I was convinced the only thing saving his job was the fact that the FAI have no money.
11/09/2023, 9:42 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

He could argue in court that if he'd been allowed to stay, we'd have made the playoff.

Doesn't really matter. The FAI can argue they wouldn't have extended his contract until the playoffs (assuming it ends in November). Especially as reaching the playoffs is completely outside Kenny's control

Nothing illegal or court-worthy about putting someone on gardening leave
11/09/2023, 9:56 PM
ontheotherhand

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Originally Posted by Straightstory

You'd have to fear for Kenny's future. A return to the League of Ireland would feel like a huge step down, but his record as Irish manager is so dreadful, it's hard to see anybody else wanting him. I was very pleased he got the job, but he's been an abject failure. A tragic figure in many ways; difficult to imagine where he goes from here.

If Derry don't win the league this season then I think Higgins should be under some pressure. A move for Kenny night make sense for all parties. Huge sign of intent for the billionaire owner and Kenny could save a bit of face as it would be seen as a coup and he'd get a decent wage. He'd also likely win the league at the first attempt as the Rovers team will have aged further and Bradley will probably be gone.

Can't see even a League One team offering him a deal to be honest.
11/09/2023, 10:01 PM
Diggs246

[QUOTE=D24Saint;2161536]The only thing that would save face would be a job in the SPL or even League one. He has achieved a lot in the domestic game for his age and the international job came at a perfect time in his career. It�s all ended in tears but that�s life he will have to move on next year. He could always take an obscure international job.[/QUOTE

Well let's hope it's rangers, we can start enjoying his defeats
11/09/2023, 10:04 PM
elatedscum

Really don�t see any point in having Andrews, O�Shea or Crawford managing as interim manager next month.

This is the time to be having conversations with Lee Carsley or whoever is their first choice. It takes months to get a backroom team together - agree contracts etc etc.

i think let Stephen see out the group. move then. Obviously if we happened to qualify for a playoff then a decision has to be made as to whether you�d make a move before a playoff - but it�s unlikely we do�
11/09/2023, 10:18 PM
JR89

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

[B]Really don�t see any point in having Andrews, O�Shea or Crawford managing as interim manager next month.[/B

This is the time to be having conversations with Lee Carsley or whoever is their first choice. It takes months to get a backroom team together - agree contracts etc etc.

i think let Stephen see out the group. move then. Obviously if we happened to qualify for a playoff then a decision has to be made as to whether you�d make a move before a playoff - but it�s unlikely we do�

Same could be said for letting Kenny see out his contract. What's the point of keeping a lame duck around for the sake of it.
11/09/2023, 10:29 PM
JR89

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Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

That rumour isn�t true - terms of his contract allow the FAI to dismiss him with immediate effect at no cost.

If true then they should announce on Thursday he's gone. Thank him for his service but that's it's time to part ways. Think everyone knew after Greece away his time was up. That they'd have gotten their list of candidates, Marc Canham supposedly in charge of head hunting the next manager, and ready to start interviews after the recent games.
12/09/2023, 3:03 AM
Colbert Report

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Doesn't really matter. The FAI can argue they wouldn't have extended his contract until the playoffs (assuming it ends in November). Especially as reaching the playoffs is completely outside Kenny's control

Nothing illegal or court-worthy about putting someone on gardening leave

His contract runs until the conclusion of the qualifying campaign, including any potential play off matches.
12/09/2023, 7:26 AM
pineapple stu

So pay him up and put him on gardening leave if that's the way you want to go about it

Either way, no court case
12/09/2023, 7:57 AM
JR89

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

His contract runs until the conclusion of the qualifying campaign, including any potential play off matches.

Doesn't matter when his contract runs till if the FAI have a break clause which allows them to remove him now.
12/09/2023, 9:11 AM
Calcio Jack

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

His contract runs until the conclusion of the qualifying campaign, including any potential play off matches.

Not correct -there are clean break clauses ( no cost) built in and FAI are entitled to trigger them now if they wish
12/09/2023, 9:27 AM
Stuttgart88

Irish Times today:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...tional-window/

The FAI can trigger a break clause in Republic of Ireland manager Stephen Kenny�s contract before the next international window in October. Kenny�s deal runs until after the 2024 European Championships in Germany but with Ireland unlikely to qualify, the association may see the value of appointing his successor in the coming weeks.
12/09/2023, 4:25 PM
Jolly Red Giant

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

It would be gas if Robbie Keane were the successor, having been paid for nothing for the last while. But he has to be in the frame I think.

Oh holy bejaysus - NO - the guy is a tool

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