Free View Box/ Magic Box

Hello everyone just wondering can anyone help me here. I just want to know does the uk free view boxes work in Dublin. I was also wondering what people know about magic boxes ( the things that unblock all the sateillite channels for free), is there a chance that these things could stop working if the sateillite companies finds better ways of blocking the channels. I know loads of people that have them but the prices im hearing for them is about €200-€250 and im not sure whether to buy one if there is a risk that it could be useless in a few months.

Ask my boyfriend.

Freeview may or may not work. You'd want to be getting UK Terrestrial TV pretty damn good to get the Freeview muxes in Dublin. If you are, it also depends on which transmitter you are getting. Relay's don't carry Freeview yet - will change at digital changeover, and the power generally should go up. So bottom line is you may be able to get it, but it's unlikely in Dublin.

No idea on your illegal satellite reciever (the mods should watch further discussion of it on here), but encyrption is always getting better to stop people ripping off subscription channels.

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Originally Posted by Macy

Freeview may or may not work. You'd want to be getting UK Terrestrial TV pretty damn good to get the Freeview muxes in Dublin. If you are, it also depends on which transmitter you are getting. Relay's don't carry Freeview yet - will change at digital changeover, and the power generally should go up. So bottom line is you may be able to get it, but it's unlikely in Dublin.

No idea on your illegal satellite reciever (the mods should watch further discussion of it on here), but encyrption is always getting better to stop people ripping off subscription channels.

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Thanks. Your right, probably not the best place to discuss the magic box thing as they are illegal.

Think anyone in Dublin/Dundalk region can get the Irish free view trail at the momement. Only the Irish channels though.

The UK ones you can get in certain places. I knew people who were getting it in Kiliney but people in Blackrock couldnt so its very hit and miss

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Originally Posted by SÓC

Think anyone in Dublin/Dundalk region can get the Irish free view trail at the momement. Only the Irish channels though.

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I think it's a different standard to the UK, which if my memory is correct, a big :rolleyes: to the Government.

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Originally Posted by SÓC

The UK ones you can get in certain places. I knew people who were getting it in Kiliney but people in Blackrock couldnt so its very hit and miss

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We're so on the fringes that it can come down to the sensitivity of the different makes of recievers, but also there's a number of transmitters and relays on the west coast of Wales so different area's could be recieving from different places.

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Originally Posted by Macy

I think it's a different standard to the UK, which if my memory is correct, a big :rolleyes: to the Government.


We're so on the fringes that it can come down to the sensitivity of the different makes of recievers, but also there's a number of transmitters and relays on the west coast of Wales so different area's could be recieving from different places.

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I'm no expert in this but from what I can make out I thought it was the same for the trial (mpeg2 or the likes) but plan to use mpeg4 (which can apparently carry more data/channels) when the hardware becomes more available or some such story?

There are 1000 officially in the trial but its not encoded AFAIK

Apparently the satellite boxes will only work if your a current subscriber to NTL. Some of them you have to keep changing codes and others do it automatically. Pesonally I think it's only a matter of time before they manage to block them. I've got Sky anyway.

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Originally Posted by baileban

NTL will never be able to block the codes unless all of their customers unsubscribe

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Guy who sold you it tell you that did he? :rolleyes:

Listen smart arse, within 2 years there won't be an analog NTL signal and it will be digital only. Then everyone with these boxes will either have to subsrice to NTL's digital packages, or go to Sky.

Do you honestly think NTL (or UPC as it is now) is basing a business decision on "sure we'll get some money off those leeching of our network"

If you're going to get thick when your ignorence is shown up, you might as well not post...

Highly amusing that Baileban was a champion of consumer rights and moral outrage re the ticketing for the Galway vs Sunderland match earlier in the summer...

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Apparently the satellite boxes will only work if your a current subscriber to NTL. Some of them you have to keep changing codes and others do it automatically. Pesonally I think it's only a matter of time before they manage to block them. I've got Sky anyway.

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I know someone who has them in dublin and london. great things, not called magic boxes though.

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If you're going to get thick when your ignorence is shown up, you might as well not post...

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Dodge, re-read that post it is sorta ironic ;)

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Originally Posted by baileban

Think about it smart-arse!
NTL have thousands of customers - if they keep knocking out the channels so the pirate-box holders lose their channels then they are going to lose more and more customers - it doesn't make sense for them to keep trying to annoy the pirate-box holders at the expense of losing their existing customers.
That is all they do to the likes of me - they keep changing the signal - but the box I have automatically finds the channels again.

How long did you study my post for before you found what you thought was a hole in it?? A flimsy hole at that!!
If you have nothing constructive to add to what was a legitimate question from one of your fellow posters then don't bother at all.

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You might not be a "smart-arse", but you are definitely a "Thief" in the eyes of the law!!:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by baileban

It was your own ignorance that was shown up when you decided to be sarcastic to me instead of answering Ceirtlis' question. Your priority was to challenge me instead of help Ceirtlis - grow up!!

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Because the other side is illegal. Idiot.

I wasn't judging you on buying one, and you don't even know if I have one, but they are not the greatest things ever made, and they are most certainly illegal.

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but they are not the greatest things ever made

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Not the greatest for sure, Dodge, but when you are looking for a stream for a PPV match/fight online for hours, its great when ye can just pop round to a mates gaffe and watch it for free!!!! ;) :)

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Not the greatest for sure, Dodge, but when you are looking for a stream for a PPV match/fight online for hours, its great when ye can just pop round to a mates gaffe and watch it for free!!!! ;) :)

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With your appparent lack of respect for all things legal, I am sure you would never have any problem seeing whatever you wish, whenever you needed to!;)

I agree. And don't get me wrong, at best my own morals are questionable (at worst nonexistant), its just that you can't post it about it here

Ya fair point.

Hornet who have you been talking too?! ;) :D

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Ya fair point.

Hornet who have you been talking too?! ;) :D

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Just a guess Paul!:D

Must say, i think there great, I have 2 at home @ €150 each, have had them for 6 months now and they update themself's, i've lost about 7 channels from when i first got them, but there **** channels i wouldn't watch anyway...however if i reload all the channels they'd come back, but then all my channels would be messed up again and i'd have to re-position them in the order i like them, so untill a channel i like goes i can live without the 7......

In relation to who ever said NTL will go completly digital in the next two year,

Your probably right, but €300 / 24(months) = €12.50 a month and i get all the setanta channels, and the Box office channels which are extra's....so even if i have to get digital in a few years so be it, i'll have more than got my monys worth...

You seem to have missed the point about me criticising them.

Forgetting about the legality side of things, should one buy this?

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Originally Posted by baileban

Think about it smart-arse!
NTL have thousands of customers - if they keep knocking out the channels so the pirate-box holders lose their channels then they are going to lose more and more customers - it doesn't make sense for them to keep trying to annoy the pirate-box holders at the expense of losing their existing customers.
That is all they do to the likes of me - they keep changing the signal - but the box I have automatically finds the channels again.

How long did you study my post for before you found what you thought was a hole in it?? A flimsy hole at that!!
If you have nothing constructive to add to what was a legitimate question from one of your fellow posters then don't bother at all.

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Sky have threatened to remove all their channels unless NTL fix this issue, it costs roughly 100k to change the codes and about 30 seconds for Dbox or Eurovox to find new channels as long as its a one way system the Dbox. Eurovox box will work as Dodge said when they go full digital it wont work.

Mate down the pub who is selling dboxs told me that.


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Weren't you mouthing off to myself and KingdomHoop for talking about drug taking at a festival? About how we're scum who lead children astray or something? (forgive me if my memory isn't great, I gotta admit I'm pretty high)

Now you are talking about how great it is to be ripping off companies that are offering a great service at a reasonable price? Spare me Baileban, spare me

You're a thief Baileban, a common thief, much worse than someone who supplies naturally produced produce from the earth

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Originally Posted by Raheny Red

Forgetting about the legality side of things, should one buy this?

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YES you should

Baileban, your stance on this reminds me of the time Homer steals cable in the Simpsons.

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Weren't you mouthing off to myself and KingdomHoop for talking about drug taking at a festival? About how we're scum who lead children astray or something? (forgive me if my memory isn't great, I gotta admit I'm pretty high)

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Jebus, please down try and compare the two and insult peoples intelligence. Btw what sorta substances are we talking about?! :p No seriouslly though a bit of weed maybe, but-drugs-are-for-losers-man! If ye cant experience it because of your own personal high then dont look to substances to do it for you.....just start listening to good music, like I do! :D

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Originally Posted by baileban

A sad, pathetic attempt at humour by the great Jesus, I mean Jebus.

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Having gotten to know Jebus and his virtuousness on a social and personal level over the past few months I would sincerely doubt he was joking about a subject so detrimentally woven into the moral fabric of society as common thievery. If I may expand on his tenet, it is that morality can be adjudged through a conduit that examines wrongs on their purest level, thus revealing a useful moral barometer that ought to pressure each and all in their daily activities. Thievery is always atop that scale, the root of all evil.

To not steal something you have no justifiable claim to is the cardinal rule of morality, from which no derogations will mean an ordered society filled with loving people. If you instil that philosophy, everything else is ancillary. So from that perspective the re-allocation of a sought after product like Mary Jane is down the scale compared to stealing something. That is Jebus' point explained in a more convoluted manner, we could all do well to take it on board, and especially not allow our children to witness and benefit from any of our plunges into the dark side.

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Originally Posted by kingdom hoop

Having gotten to know Jebus and his virtuousness on a social and personal level over the past few months I would sincerely doubt he was joking about a subject so detrimentally woven into the moral fabric of society as common thievery. If I may expand on his tenet, it is that morality can be adjudged through a conduit that examines wrongs on their purest level, thus revealing a useful moral barometer that ought to pressure each and all in their daily activities. Thievery is always atop that scale, the root of all evil.

To not steal something you have no justifiable claim to is the cardinal rule of morality, from which no derogations will mean an ordered society filled with loving people. If you instil that philosophy, everything else is ancillary. So from that perspective the re-allocation of a sought after product like Mary Jane is down the scale compared to stealing something. That is Jebus' point explained in a more convoluted manner, we could all do well to take it on board, and especially not allow our children to witness and benefit from any of our plunges into the dark side.

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Haven't I seen you at Speaker's Corner on a Sunday morning ?;)

good point kingdom hoop, especially the fact that lots of thieves use drugs, and being "high" on drugs makes lots of them do acts they wouldn't normally do, then your point is even more valid ;)

It's theft. Whether it bothers you is a different question, but trying to hide it as something else is just plain silly. If jebus & kingdom hoop robbed their drugs from Boots, another multinational, would that be okay then? Or is shoplifting okay from Tesco?

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If jebus & kingdom hoop robbed their drugs from Boots

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You couldn't buy their drugs in a supermarket or pharmacy ;) Dead duck and all that.

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Originally Posted by Sligo Hornet

Haven't I seen you at Speaker's Corner on a Sunday morning ?

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:D Indeed! This week I'll be joined by special guest star baileban to pontificate on the difficulty of staying calm in the face of opinion diversity. 11am, be there!

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

You couldn't buy their drugs in a supermarket or pharmacy

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You're right, unfortunately that distribution channel is unavailable for our products, but we can save you the hassle and deliver to your door if you wish. :p

Paul, you said it was insulting to people's intelligence to equate the act of theft with drug-taking. I made a post in that regard, without insulting your intelligence. However you insulted your own intelligence, and mine too, by the spurious claim that drug-takers are losers. It's not good enough Paul.

Where is the justification that allows you to defame free-thinking people like Jebus, and many other friends of mine, by brandishing them as losers, instead of chastising people like baileban who engage in stealing? This is a valid comparison, people who steal take what is not theirs, drug-takers do not. You are happy to focus on the morally innocent and leave the guilty off scot-free? I don't understand. :(

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Where is the justification that allows you to defame free-thinking people like Jebus, and many other friends of mine, by brandishing them as losers, instead of chastising people like baileban who engage in stealing? This is a valid comparison, people who steal take what is not theirs, drug-takers do not. You are happy to focus on the morally innocent and leave the guilty off scot-free? I don't understand

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That was a 90's slogan in the states ( high school ), hence I hyphenated to point this out. It was meant tongue in cheek.

The other point did not say all drug takers steal either, just a lot of those woh commit robberiers/mug occur when on drugs or to feed drug habits.

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This is a valid comparison, people who steal take what is not theirs, drug-takers do not. You are happy to focus on the morally innocent and leave the guilty off scot-free? I don't understand

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But on this, I dont really want to get into it on a forum ( for fear of those who might know me :D ), getting the drugs to you, prolly involves lots of stealing, theft, corruption etc etc.....so its not black and white, i do drugs and thats it nothing wrong with that, im not doing anything wrong, because yes you are. Maybe if and when it becomes legal then you can take that view but until then most certainly not. You are a smart lad, you know what I am talking about.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

The other point did not say all drug takers steal either, just a lot of those woh commit robberiers/mug occur when on drugs or to feed drug habits.

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A lot of petty crimes are feeding drug habits, but those people make up a very small percentage of those actually taking drugs.

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Originally Posted by Macy

A lot of petty crimes are feeding drug habits, but those people make up a very small percentage of those actually taking drugs.

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Probably, but its still a fact and it doesnt make it any better.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

It was meant tongue in cheek.

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In isolation, yes. But you followed it by saying;

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

If ye cant experience it because of your own personal high then dont look to substances to do it for you.....

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That inescapably implies that you think drug-takers are losers. Sorry but that's what you said. At least admit that's what you think and then we could constructively debate, but hiding behind the thin veil of so-called tongue in cheek remarks doesn't cut any mustard.

As for trying to convince me that I should treat drug-taking as being as bad as stealing, I don't accept your you-are-implicated-in-stealing-because-of-the-drug-distribution-chain point as it is on a largely irrelevant macro level whereas I was talking about the personal moral culpability of someone stealing vis-a-vis someone condoning drug use. In that regard, I stand by my assertion that stealing something is worse than taking drugs on the simple basis that taking something that is not yours to take is the greatest wrong of all.

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If ye cant experience it because of your own personal high then dont look to substances to do it for you.....At least admit that's what you think and then we could constructively debate, but hiding behind the thin veil of so-called tongue in cheek remarks doesn't cut any mustard.

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No it doesn't, but I honestly dont see the need to take anything as a natural high you can get by doing certain things. Thats all I want to say on it hoop. I am not hiding behind anything.

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I don't accept your you-are-implicated-in-stealing-because-of-the-drug-distribution-chain point as it is on a largely irrelevant macro level whereas I was talking about the personal moral culpability of someone stealing vis-a-vis someone condoning drug use.

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On that point, not to sure what you mean, what I am saying is the drugs you take, what happens along the way you cant turn a blind eye to and say "oh well he shouldn't be stealing", because for all you know, stealing ( of some sort ) was probably involved in getting your drugs to you either directly or indirectly. Macro or Micro level is irrelevant, whether big or small the same distribution channels are being used.

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Originally Posted by baileban

A sad, pathetic attempt at humour by the great Jesus, I mean Jebus.A thief, a common thief you sayI see myself as a bit of a Robin Hood character

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Ha! More like Robbin' in da hood.:D