World Cup - Visa discussion

[pineapple stu]

& while you're informing yourself Sean, which I doubt you actually will, this detention also incorporated 25 hours without sleep straight off an 11 hour flight, with a pot noodle & tea. Before being put straight on another 11 hour flight back all while his wife waited for him somewhere in the airport not knowing where he had been taken to.

& all because he said something Trump might not have liked

Well for the two other guys, it seems to have been all because their bandmate said something Trump might not have liked.

Which - while not at all trying to justify the treatment of the guy made the comments - seems even worse.

Sean you wouldn't last 2 months in the US under the current regime ( neither would I btw)

On the contrary - I think sean does come across as the pliant, non-critical sort of person the Republicans want to encourage.

[Eirambler]

Lads, current affairs is that way ------->

[tetsujin1979]

I don't see any evidence that the authorities broke any laws in deporting these people ~ I await further developments to show me that the American Authorities broke American laws.

Go to America, abide by American laws and I very much doubt that you will be deported.

I have never claimed any laws were broken.

Once again, very slowly - what did the other two members of the band do to be deported?

[seanfhear]

Sean you wouldn't last 2 months in the US under the current regime ( neither would I btw)

I have never been to America and I have no intention of going either ~ If I did I would follow American laws, and if I didn't then I would accept the consequences, as should any foreigners / tourists in any country.

[seanfhear]

By yere own posts ye admit that ye don't know why these people were deported ~ So jumping to the Trump thing could be jumping to conclusions !

Many show-biz people have " history ' with drugs or maybe even other law- breaking.

Did the American authorities break any laws in deporting these people ? !

[pineapple stu]

But let's recall where this all started.

You dismissed as "propaganda" the idea that people could be deported from the 2026 World Cup.

Tets has shown many examples of people getting deported for no obvious reason, including this particular case where two members of a band were detailed for 25 hours and then deported for no particular reason, while their bandmate was deported for visa issues despite having the same visas as the other.

You've repeatedly said "If you don't want to follow American laws then maybe America isn't the place for you" but you haven't been able to say what law they actually broke.

So where we're at now is asking you what law these guys broke - and, by extension, what vague reasons could be given to deport others in the future (whether at the World Cup or not). You can't answer that, yet you continue to hold your view of "American laws for America" even though it's been shown to not be valid in this case.

[CraftyToePoke]

I have never been to America and I have no intention of going either ~ If I did I would follow American laws, and if I didn't then I would accept the consequences, as should any foreigners / tourists in any country.

There weren't any laws demonstrably broken.

You can repeat that all you want, about American laws while ignoring that the guys circumstances had not changed since his previous multiple visits, apart from his social media content.

Now, is it that you don't understand that ?
Or that it is something you don't want to acknowledge ?

[CraftyToePoke]

By yere own posts ye admit that ye don't know why these people were deported ~ So jumping to the Trump thing could be jumping to conclusions !

Many show-biz people have " history ' with drugs or maybe even other law- breaking.

Did the American authorities break any laws in deporting these people ? !

He'd been there regularly for many many years.

You're willing to speculate on drugs smearing but aren't willing to consider the more obvious political change.

Why ?

[seanfhear]

There weren't any laws demonstrably broken.

You can repeat that all you want, about American laws while ignoring that the guys circumstances had not changed since his previous multiple visits, apart from his social media content.

Now, is it that you don't understand that ?
Or that it is something you don't want to acknowledge ?

I need actual proof before I jumps to conclusion ~ How many people even know of these people or there political leanings ~ They may well have just got looked at this time for no particular reason !

It could be said that the Democrats let a lot of people in to America that should not have been let in to America !

[pineapple stu]

Ha! Have a go at the Democrats rather than answer the question. My bull**** bingo card is filling up nicely anyway.

[Razors left peg]

The latest thing that Im being bombarded with on social media is that Border officials are searching peoples phones as they go through customs. I have to say that it could be like a lot of stuff online and its utter nonsense but its definitely a part of my social media algorithm these days. The advice for US citizens is to remove fingerprint and facial recognition from the phone as they cannot force you to give the password, but for non citizens it is cause for further scrutiny and possible refusal of entry if you refuse to hand phone over for a search. It sounds absolutely ridiculous and something that would happen in N Korea, and Im not for one second saying it is true.... but also I would not be surprised if it is actually happening with how aggressive the distain for Non Americans has become within the administration.

[CraftyToePoke]

It could be said that the Democrats let a lot of people in to America that should not have been let in to America !

Ah
Point at Joe Biden
Point at Joe Biden
Look what Joe Biden did

Is it really that simple to herd you all along still ?

Their visits to the US pre date Biden by a generation BTW.

We'd all like proof. What we got was a guy kept to 25 hours without sleep & deported for no good reason & you defend that all you like Sean. You keep to your No Comment line because I have drilled down a bit here with you today & you don't have anything other than what you've been told to think.

[seanfhear]

Ha! Have a go at the Democrats rather than answer the question. My bull**** bingo card is filling up nicely anyway.

I suggest that a lot of people thought that the Democrats were letting in far too many people ~ Many of them the wrong people ~ Maybe things just went back to normal-service when the Democrats left power.

Seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists on here !

[Razors left peg]

I suggest that a lot of people thought that the Democrats were letting in far too many people ~ Many of them the wrong people ~ Maybe things just went back to normal-service when the Democrats left power.

Seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists on here !

Things are absolutely not normal here.

[seanfhear]

Ah
Point at Joe Biden
Point at Joe Biden
Look what Joe Biden did

Is it really that simple to herd you all along still ?

Their visits to the US pre date Biden by a generation BTW.

We'd all like proof. What we got was a guy kept to 25 hours without sleep & deported for no good reason & you defend that all you like Sean. You keep to your No Comment line because I have drilled down a bit here with you today & you don't have anything other than what you've been told to think.

I am certainly not the one with group-think here !