American Politics

[seanfhear]

You're really determined to make no distinction between government action and public opinion.

And Leftie politician's words and actions ? !

Or establishment's words and actions ? !

A recent example of the Irish establishment in action ~ Patrick Kielty said there was free speech on rte which is laughable re; Mass immigration / Trans lunacy and plenty more ~ The reality is you will get little or no coverage on Rte if you do not support the Irish establishments ( political / general ) agenda.

[Nesta99]

And Leftie politician's words and actions ? !

Or establishment's words and actions ? !

A recent example of the Irish establishment in action ~ Patrick Kielty said there was free speech on rte which is laughable re; Mass immigration / Trans lunacy and plenty more ~ The reality is you will get little or no coverage on Rte if you do not support the Irish establishments ( political / general ) agenda.

Which MAGA in the US! What you accuse RTE of is similar to main stream US media no? Only covering onesided agenda. Or does it not count when its the agenda you agree with.

This is part of the crux with what is happening in the US, if check and balances are eroded, judiciary and government are not seperated, journalists excluded if they dont follow the party line, well what happens when there is a change of government in the future, possibly 3 years time. Suddenly the leftie communists are able to exploit the mechanisms put in place by their opposition, except they will have the advantage of not having to use time to build a system to suit authoritarian rule. It will be there from day dot allowing them 4 years of solidifying control in to permanent rule. Thanks very much MAGA!

[seanfhear]

Do you think that the Left has contributed to where America ( and Western Countries ) is today ?

[Nesta99]

Do you ever not answer a question with a question?

Of course the left has contributed to where things are today. How far back do you want to go and on what, French Revolution, Bolsheviks, universal suffarage, civil rights, social inclusion, workers rights, free education (if I say universal healthcare no doubt that will be the buzz focus of ire).

Be more specific, what is it specifically that 'the left' has done to get us where we are today, how has the right made a contribution? What western countries? What is the left or right in your view. A person can be conservative and agree that a civil rights act is a good thing or not, like Charlie Kirk albeit he flip flopped.

Next question....

[seanfhear]

Do you ever not answer a question with a question?

Of course the left has contributed to where things are today. How far back do you want to go and on what, French Revolution, Bolsheviks, universal suffarage, civil rights, social inclusion, workers rights, free education (if I say universal healthcare no doubt that will be the buzz focus of ire).

Be more specific, what is it specifically that 'the left' has done to get us where we are today, how has the right made a contribution? What western countries? What is the left or right in your view. A person can be conservative and agree that a civil rights act is a good thing or not, like Charlie Kirk albeit he flip flopped.

Next question....

With regard to America, why did the Democrats come up with such a bad candidate as Hillary Clinton after Obama ~ Plainly the American people just did not trust her, and they were probably correct on that. Hillary wasn't able to convince them ( or fool them ) like many other dodgy politicians.

The Democrats haven't had a decent candidate since Obama ( and was he actually all that good in his second term anyway ? )

The Democrats are pretty useless now, and seem to have a talent of coming down on the wrong side of even 80 / 20 issues ! !

Maybe, if the Democrats actually got their act together ( apparently they can't ) then, that would be a good thing !

[dahamsta]

How do you change these extreme views if you don't keep trying to engage?

You can't, and you shouldn't. People have studied this, the current glut of conspiracy theorists and pig-headed idiots simply cannot be brought around, it just doesn't work. So you go with the only solution that has ever actually worked on forums, and other communities, you don't feed the trolls; you take the advice of your mammy, you ignore the bully, you walk away.

And it has to be said, at this point it's the fault of the people responding, because this is hardly a new idea, it's not something they haven't heard before. They can't learn either. They just can't resist feeding their own egos, trying to "win". All they need to do is converse with the normal people, and ignore the cretins. It's really as simple as that.

And none of them will do this. Even if they stop for a day, a week, they'll start again, or another idiot will come along and engage. It's pathetic to watch.

[Real ale Madrid]

the Communists will kill you as soon as it suits them, and as soon as they have the power to do so, Because killing is the only thing that Communists are really good at.

AOC, Pocahontas, Jasmine Crockett, ( three off the top of my head ) ~ As I say it hard to differentiate between the Democrats cos-playing as Communists and the Democrats that would be Communists if they had the power to be Totalitarian Communists !

What Communists say and what Communists do doesn't very often tie in together.

It's the killing Communists that I don't like, and that is all Communists when they get the power to do their Communist killing.

Lefties don't take it well when you don't agree with them.

Lefties are often very insecure for some reason. I wonder why that is ?

Is it because deep down they know, that the vast majority of Lefty leaders are cos-playing as Lefties and are actually doing extraordinarily well from capitalism and are actually not going to do the stuff they are cos-playing with !

That must have a weird affect on ordinary lefties !

Re Communism = How come Communism always produces Elite Communists = It happens every time !

I have been a lefty when I was younger, As I grew older and particularly watching the lefties of about the last 15 years,

You could take Lefties seriously on this sort of thing

Lefties were more that happy to silence anyone that disagreed with them.

Debate or the bait?

[Nesta99]

You can't, and you shouldn't. People have studied this, the current glut of conspiracy theorists and pig-headed idiots simply cannot be brought around, it just doesn't work. So you go with the only solution that has ever actually worked on forums, and other communities, you don't feed the trolls; you take the advice of your mammy, you ignore the bully, you walk away.

And it has to be said, at this point it's the fault of the people responding, because this is hardly a new idea, it's not something they haven't heard before. They can't learn either. They just can't resist feeding their own egos, trying to "win". All they need to do is converse with the normal people, and ignore the cretins. It's really as simple as that.

And none of them will do this. Even if they stop for a day, a week, they'll start again, or another idiot will come along and engage. It's pathetic to watch.

Im learning from the 'engagement'. Its not an ego thing, or a trying to change the unchangable - its more an experiment, a curiosity, probitive, seeing how things can be pushed. Isnt it pathetic to watch the pathetic or is it a curiosity in itself. They say attack the post not the poster, so calling people idiots, hardly an example to set dahamsta. You are frustrated obiously, you can look away too! You also have now been trolled in to a response.

[seanfhear]

In light of the terrible assassination of Charlie Kirk ~ It is clear that a lot of Lefties are having a crisis with the way the Left has been carrying on !

I see that Charlie Kirk's widow has forgiven the killer of her husband !

I hope for the best for the Lefties, but I am not so sure that everybody else will be as forgiving as Charlie Kirk's widow !

[Mr A]

A mad right wing dirtbag (his views were absolutely abhorrent and the world is a better place without him) was shot by an even madder right wing lunatic- where does the left come into this at all? Did some of them say hurty words or something? Obviously murder is wrong but there is no compulsion to pretend the guy was anything other than completely awful. No more that I'd pretend Horst Wessel was some kind of hero, and for the exact same reasons.

The would be Trump assassins were right wingers too. There isn't really a both sides here, the vast, vast majority of political violence in the US has come from the right.

But the increasingly authoritarian and evil administration doesn't care about truth and will use any excuse to feed their agenda.

We can only hope they are stopped before they do too much damage to their country and the wider world.

[seanfhear]

Charlie Kirk was a Moderate.

I suggest you do some actual research in to the life, that the man, that has been charged with shooting Charlie Kirk was living.

The accused was most certainly Not living a conservative lifestyle.

And the thing is, Charlie Kirk was becoming even more moderate as he got older ~ ~ He was actually a very young man with a very young family and a very young wife.

As I say Charlie Kirk was becoming more moderate as he grew older. Something you see with many Christian People.

The more you watch of Charlie Kirk, you will see how moderate he was, and was becoming.

[Real ale Madrid]

Charlie Kirk was a Moderate.

Charlie Kirk was becoming even more moderate as he got older

Charlie Kirk was becoming more moderate as he grew older.

The more you watch of Charlie Kirk, you will see how moderate he was, and was becoming.

Are you trying to convince yourself or everybody else.

[sbgawa]

The problem with America is ita a country of extremes, youve got the woke Democrats more interested in Trans rights than actually putting in a proper functioning social welfare system and the extreme right who think carrying Assault rifles is an inalienable god given right that any amount of school shootings is worth putting up with.
The voters dont have much choice of where to go and neither side looks great, youd have to think there is room for an independent candidate for 2028 , there is certainly plenty of room in the middle.

[pineapple stu]

The voters dont have much choice of where to go and neither side looks great, youd have to think there is room for an independent candidate for 2028 , there is certainly plenty of room in the middle.

[nigel-harps1954]

No harm, but this thread should just be closed before everyone dies of moderate wokeism.

Its gone beyond a joke, and there's very little constructive discussion on here.