9-11 Conspiracies

[Angus]

Tricky and emotive one this morning boys and girls.

Just watched a DVD called Loose Change which is a study of the official story of the 9-11 events.

It seeks to find holes in the official story and presents an analysis of various pieces of physical evidence. It also identifies serious problems with what has become conventional wisdom.

Now, I start off being seriously sceptical of this community given the propensity of freak jobs to play in that space. Having said that, just because you don't buy the official line does not mean you are a freak job.

Having seen this, I end up way short of the conclusion of the filmmaker but accept that there are serious problems with official or conventional wisdom.

Where do we stand on this ?

[anto1208]

Ah is this the conspiracy that in 2001 the 9th of November happened in September ?.

[Billsthoughts]

I actually only heard the Jim Corr thing on this last week. Seems like there are a few questions to be answered alright.

[jebus]

No conspriacy theory in regards the WTC, they were attacked by terrorists. The flight 316 (was it? the 'Let's Roll' flight) was obviously shot down by the American air force for security reasons. The Pentagon didn't have a plane flown into it, it was more likely a suicide bomber, or explosive of some sort. The size of the hole and the lack of airplane debris all but confirm that.

This story has been done to death

[pete]

Pick any event with mass attention & it is possible to come up the wildest theories.

[GavinZac]

pretty sure there's a huge thread on this already

[Lionel Ritchie]

The Pentagon didn't have a plane flown into it, it was more likely a suicide bomber, or explosive of some sort. The size of the hole and the lack of airplane debris all but confirm that.

This story has been done to death

I'm inclined to agree about the Pennsylvania plane being shot down ...and you know what, given the split second decisions that had to be made, I'd probably have shot it down too.

But the pentagon attack ...I'm quite confident, having seen a few conspiracy theory videos, that it was indeed hit by a plane. Isn't there someone out there who narrowly avoided having a chunk of undercarriage land on their car?

[jebus]

I'm inclined to agree about the Pennsylvania plane being shot down ...and you know what, given the split second decisions that had to be made, I'd probably have shot it down too.

But the pentagon attack ...I'm quite confident, having seen a few conspiracy theory videos, that it was indeed hit by a plane. Isn't there someone out there who narrowly avoided having a chunk of undercarriage land on their car?

Fully agree that shooting down the plane was the right move, it would be hard to get the families of the victims to understand, but they were going to die anyway

The hole in the side of the Pentagon, more so the size of it, makes me think that it wasn't a plane that hit it. I've seen photos of the site after the damage and there doesn't seem to be any plane debris either so I'd be suspicious of that

[OwlsFan]

Covered to some extent here:

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=92275

What I love about these theories is the number of people who have to assist in implenting the plan and killing their own people and there is no leak or no one ever eventually comes forward and says "I blew up the Twin Towers".

[anto1208]

Covered to some extent here:

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=92275

What I love about these theories is the number of people who have to assist in implenting the plan and killing their own people and there is no leak or no one ever eventually comes forward and says "I blew up the Twin Towers".

Thats because they are killed really quickly when they go to talk !

[Risteard]

I thought Loose Change was totally discredited even by its makers.
Will dig out quotes there later but they definitely had to redo it a few times as some of the theories put forward were so flimsy originally.

[OwlsFan]

There was a programme last night on the 9-11 conspiracy and the collapse of the building beside the Twin Towers. Only came in at the end to hear a fireman say that these conspiracies disrespect the lives of the many firemen who died but didn't see the rest of the programme. Anyone see it?

[shakermaker1982]

There was a programme last night on the 9-11 conspiracy and the collapse of the building beside the Twin Towers. Only came in at the end to hear a fireman say that these conspiracies disrespect the lives of the many firemen who died but didn't see the rest of the programme. Anyone see it?

I watched the last 30 minutes. The chief investigator was not the most convincing of sorts, they are currently building an engineering model to try and find out why tower 7 fell.

They had the guy from loose change on and I'm surprised he hasn't had an 'accident' i.e. assassinated by the CIA to shut him up. His time will come.

[noby]

I saw a little piece of it. In the bit I saw they were talking about how they have come to the conclusion that it was office fires, and not all the fuel from the plane, that weakened the structures, and ultimately brought the tower down. To help confirm this, in another of the nearby buildings half of the interior had collapsed in a similar way, with no planes or 'bombs', just fires burning.
Then I went back to the tennis.

[Lionel Ritchie]

I think it was a repeat of the programme that went out a few days ago. Very little in it to convince me that there's anything substantially fishy about September 11th.

I think America and the west in general is a better place due to the vigilance, cynicism and 'Question Everything' attitude of the likes of the young lad who made Loose Change. But he's well off target with his theories on this one, is dismissive of bankable evidence and impartial eyewitness accounts and, in general, he's a bit of a pound-shop Michael Moore.