Jerry McCabe Documentary

[Speranza]

There can be no excuse for the murder and it shows the current state of the republican movement. Heroes like Bobby Sands, Connolly would be turning in their graves if they knew about Mc Cartney, Mc Cabe and the way Sinn Fein generally conduct their affairs.

Finding the term Free State offensive is hilarious but typical of you Pete. Your posts constantly suggest a hatred of republicanism but it's nice to see you hate the term that sums up your own views. What exactly is your problem with the assertion that the 26 are free and the 6 are not? Are you McDowell is disguise?

[pete]

What exactly is your problem with the assertion that the 26 are free and the 6 are not?

I am a citizen of the Republic of Ireland. The fact that 6 counties of this island are not politically part of that country is no reason to insult citizen of the Republic (definition below). Is it my fault there isn't a 32 country Irish Republic? have i done something to prevent this happening?

A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.

I'd love to see a democratic all-island Irish state but I oppose terrorism as I don't think you can pick & choose causes. I oppose terrorists & politicans who want to assume power in this country but won't recognise its democractically elected government & organs of State.

You have a vote in Northern Ireland. It just happens the majority of people want to be part of the UK. Adding the 6 counties to the Republic would not be democratic.

[Speranza]

I oppose terrorism

So you oppose the origins of the state you claim to be a citizen of? The old adage of "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is totally lost on free-staters like yourself. Using your rigid definition of terorism great men like Nelson Mandela would be cast as criminals. Take it down from the mast Irish traitor.........

[RonnieB]

They live the lifes of kings down in Castlerea, I used to/will do again soon live just a few miles away. Would have liked to see the documentary and see that scum bag adams give his condescending little spiel.

Just shows how far the Republican movement has gone from its origins. A bunch of common thugs and criminals is all they are now.

[Speranza]

Just shows how far the Republican movement has gone from its origins. A bunch of common thugs and criminals is all they are now.

Let no more be said than that. There is no longer an acceptable Republican party on this island.

[paul_oshea]

There can be no excuse for the murder and it shows the current state of the republican movement. Heroes like Bobby Sands, Connolly would be turning in their graves if they knew about Mc Cartney, Mc Cabe and the way Sinn Fein generally conduct their affairs.

well, eh, if sands knew what he and his fellow hunger strikers who died, were really used for, then i think shortly after 1981 he would have been turning in his grave at sinn fein etc.

ronnieB where did you live? a few miles from caslterea? out in the sticks literally then, like ballymoe or somewhere?!?!

[Speranza]

well, eh, if sands knew what he and his fellow hunger strikers who died, were really used for, then i think shortly after 1981 he would have been turning in his grave at sinn fein etc.

I wouldn't say they were used. The natural reaction to their death was a consolidation of support for Republican groups, it was IMO a case of natural increase in votes for SF rather than any cynical plot.

[Mental Man]

lads dont be calling the provos- Sinn Fein, the provos was formed in 1970 as provisional sinn fein, the old sinn fein was formed early in this century and have no resemblence to the murdering bunch of scum that we see today, it makes me laugh to see the scum trying to celebrate 100 years, they should be celebrating 35 years, actually they should really be called Republican Fianna Fail, cos thats where they came from, pure evil scum.

[cheifo]

Fair play to you for Speranza for condemning the murder outright.Too many Northern republicans/Nationalist find it impossible to speak out against an injustice perpetrated by someone from the same "side".
Dont want to go off topic but in a word are the SDLP not a viable alterative?

[Block G Raptor]

SDLP not a viable alterative?

NO! They've been provenm to be weak when it comes to negotiating and the people of Northern Ireland have voted with there feet. SF has more democratic support thats democracy !

[Lionel Ritchie]

NO! They've been provenm to be weak when it comes to negotiating and the people of Northern Ireland have voted with there feet. SF has more democratic support thats democracy !

An astute observation BGR ...not being in a position or of a mindset to turn the violence on and off like a tap certainly weakened the SDLPs bargaining power.

Not being a position to say "deal with us ...or deal with these other people who've nails through the end of hurleys and much worse besides" handicapped them too.

[RonnieB]

well, eh, if sands knew what he and his fellow hunger strikers who died, were really used for, then i think shortly after 1981 he would have been turning in his grave at sinn fein etc.

ronnieB where did you live? a few miles from caslterea? out in the sticks literally then, like ballymoe or somewhere?!?!

Ballinlough, paul.

[Speranza]

Fair play to you for Speranza for condemning the murder outright.Too many Northern republicans/Nationalist find it impossible to speak out against an injustice perpetrated by someone from the same "side".

Nail on head there. It's the same with Haughey, depsite his corrupt ways the majority of nationalists remember the man fondly because of his leanings. It's the tribal way of things up here that allows Sinn Fein to rule the roost without fear of backlash from the grassroots. Robert Mc Cartney for example -outside the Short Strand no republican really cared that an innocent man was killed. I am a Republican but I refuse to ever accept Sinn Fein just because they are the only republican party.

are the SDLP not a viable alterative

Durkan is a weak leader lacking in charisma and their policies are far too light for many. My main gripe with them is that I don't agree with joining the policing board while Special Branch continue to act as conspirators with Loyalist Paramilitaries and murders of Finucaine and Nelson go uninvestigated.

[paul_oshea]

Ballinlough, paul.

your not the lad whose parents own the tap, or used to even, one to frequent bruxelles.

so ye scored for lough harps reserve? do they even have a reserve team!?!?!

[RonnieB]

we used to paul many moons ago, I havent played in nearly 5 years. And no, im not the fella whose parents owned the tap, I know who you are thinking of though he hasnt been around in a long time. That said I used to spend a large amount of my time there Anyway for fear of taking the thread any further off topic any more roscommon questions sure send us a pm!