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Yeah I think you could be right that it was the Alkmaar coach, meant as a compliment but caused some gurning at the British reference. It would imply that that is the attitude and refs could well be expecting a physical approach.Comment
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Cracking atmosphere at Tallaght last night. The result aside, you'd expect that pretty much everyone there had a good evening out and it was a decent ad for LOI football. They announced near the end about Pats' game against Sligo on Sunday at Richmond Park, and you can't help but feel that any interested/curious newbies who enjoyed last night will find Richmond a very different experience. Especially as they'll presumably got from a crowd of almost 7,000 to one of about 2,000 (?). It goes to show the difference a good stadium makes when it comes to a big game and the matchday experience.
The ref was woeful last night. I don't know if they have assessors at all European fixtures, but he really was terrible. That said, as we all know Pats had enough chances to win it. CSKA were poor. A collection of individuals who looked like they'd never played together before, and who kept making silly unforced errors with sloppy passes etc. Not a single stand-out player in their squad either. I'll be stunned if they make the group stages.Comment
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Originally Posted by lofty9
Some. Stephen Kenny's Dundalk were masters of the dark arts.
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If the FAI introduce VAR into the LOI and are looking for some retired Refs to do it they should check on Stephen O Donnells availability.Comment
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Watched the highlights of the Zagreb ludogrets 2nd leg there, where Ludo had 3 men sent off.
The refs "performance" in that game was buttimer bad, and I don't say that lightly. It was so bad you'd have to question the ethics of some of the decisions made against Ludo. As much as I enjoyed the look on the face of Dutch spanner in goal for Ludo, some of the decisions were bordering on corrupt.
Have a feeling we'll see one of Ludo or CSKA in Tallaght again this year.Shamrock Rovers- Where trophies are won and envy is scarceComment
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With the LoI now up to 36th in the co-efficient, where does it need to be to guarantee seedings in first-round draws - 32nd?Comment
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What are ye on about, Stephen O'Donnell doesnt need assistance or video to referee a game!!Comment
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Co-efficients are too technical for me, but I dont think a league/national ranking earns seeding, just additional European places, which comp non champions enter and where you enter the comp. Individual club coefficients determine whether seeded or not in each round (or take the seeding of beaten seeded side if unseeded?). If a club doesnt have a coefficient (or is less than the country coeff) the national coefficient is used(?). Either way it could be a while before a Kerry LoI side are seeded in Europe
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Im kind of answering for clarificantion myself....Last edited by Nesta99; 12/08/2022, 2:35 PM.Comment
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It varies by club because it's the club coefficient that matters - see here for the current list.
It's based on the rounds a club got through (as opposed to the individual results they got) in the last five years in Europe, and it can't go lower than one-fifth of the national coefficient (if, for example, a club hasn't been in Europe in that time)
So while Sligo and Pat's results may see them seeded next year, the problem is that at the moment they mayn't qualify. Derry, meanwhile, will have quite a low seeding because they've made a hames of Europe in the past five years (it's 8 years since they won a tie)
Shamrock Rovers though will have a great seeding but won't skip a round any time soon as the round a club enters at is based on national coefficient, not club coefficient. Assuming they stay in the CL for the next few years, then we'd need to get up to 21st for them to get a bye in the CL (based on this year, which is a bit affected by Russian clubs being banned)Comment
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The default co-efficient for partipicants is the average of the national co-efficient. National co-efficient is based on performances over five years, so divide by 5.Co-efficients are too technical for me, but I dont think a league/national ranking earns seeding, just additional European places, which comp non champions enter and where you enter the comp. Individual club coefficients determine whether seeded or not in each round (or take the seeding of beaten seeded side if unseeded?). If a club doesnt have a coefficient (or is less than the country coeff) the national coefficient is used(?). Either way it could be a while before a Kerry LoI side are seeded in Europe.
Im kind of answering for clarificantion myself....
This is used if don't have club-coefficient, or have one less than this average.
In order for this to lead to seeding in first round (depends on how many clubs start in first round) it would have to be in or around 3, so noational co-efficient of ~15.
Would need to see how things shake out after 5 years of ECL, but atm 15 national co-efficient point would likely be enough for all clubs to start in ECL Q2, at which point 3pts is unlikely to be enough for seeding.
So it's possible in the future to be seed based on national co-efficient, but not just yetComment
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As you rightly point out the club points in qualifers are based on round eliminated. So Derry, having gone out at the first round in three of the last five years, will have exactly the same club-co-efficient points as Sligo or Pats. Who have only competed twice, but got through a round or two this year.
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Oh that's weird; I hadn't spotted thatComment
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