Munster Senior League - Junior Divisions

[Shinguard]

its a joke eric, being from a town outside the city, and with such a small choice of players to choose from,you surely understand where im coming from. its very important to give these lads the opportunity to play in these games, but if midleton had known this rule existed they would not have played these young lads, that is the blame of the munster senior league. its not fair on the lads who have put in so much effort through out the year, to have the chance of competing in this comp which they had a good chance of winning withdrawn.

The John Hayes Trophy was started in the 2008/09 season. The rule stating that only players registered in the Junior First Division can play in this competition has been there from the start of the competition in 2008. It has been enforced every year. Ignorance of the rules is no excuse and the only people to blame for getting thrown out of the competition are Midleton.

[Eric]

I see where you're coming from Magpie, as we've a very small pool to pick from too. We've had to bring some youths along to league games and got clearance from the MSL to play youths in the Super Cup. It is harsh not to allow them play in the John Hayes, but if that's the rule then that's the rule. It'll mean outlet squad will be pretty thin for that competition though without the youths!!

[Mighty almighty]

Msl monkeys

To be honest I thinks it's a case for judge judy......because you would want to be a judge to understand all there stupid rules!cheating is to me trying to be sneaky to gain an unfair advantage....I think midleton do not come under this bracket....fielding weaker players in a competition to blood new players for next year to keep the flow of local talent in the adult set up which is extremely hard being a country club.i understand there is a rule there,but why can't we see these rules on a website,why have a fai rule book up,and not there own Msl one......too many clubs being thrown out which hints at a system isn't working....get yer head out of the clouds Msl and start using common sense I think!!!

[Eric]

I actually just got word that we had been thrown out of the Super Cup and the John Hayes Cup this week also for playing youth players! This after having gotten clearance from one member of the MSL to play such players!!!

I think our chairman argued the case and got us re-instated in both competitions. Think Midleton may have been re-instated in the John Hayes too.

From what I was told I think it's to do with a rule that was brought in at under-age level this year not allowing lads play adult football. A rule which was never publicised and so caught out a number of teams.

[Two Touch]

i think the biggest issue here is that clubs are not being made aware or are not making themselves aware of the rules at the start of each season. As a result, no club is aware that a rule may be broken until such time as it is too late & they are deducted points or thrown out of a competition.

How many clubs have been deducted points in the league this year in both junior & senior divisions? I do not think they were all trying to 'cheat' & i think it's not a coincidence that so many teams have lost points & i think many of them have lost points over playing players who may have been suspended at the time & clubs were totally unaware at the time. I know 100% this was the case for 2 different clubs.

I think the MSL should be a little more pro-active & understanding on this front & not automatically deduct & fine amateur clubs who were genuinely caught unawares.

[freddieflinston]

My oh my .I'm surprised at how some clubs dont know the rules - the youths league is a DIFFERENT LEAGUE. If the under 19s were REGISTERED also as JUNIOR players then there would be no problem!!!!!

[freddieflinston]

ha red and white - i dont make the rules - but dont call me a clown just because the club secretaries dont know them!!! Its an FAI rule anyway not that i'd expect you to know

This RULE came into effect when the AUL and MSL formed a new youths league

[Shinguard]

ha red and white - i dont make the rules - but dont call me a clown just because the club secretaries dont know them!!! Its an FAI rule anyway not that i'd expect you to know

This RULE came into effect when the AUL and MSL formed a new youths league

Well said Freddie but unfortunately you are probably wasting your time trying to explain that rules are not meant to be broken.

[Mighty almighty]

Freddie boy...That sounds very like what was coming out of a meeting with midleton club with Msl....no wonder ur supporting this stupid rule stopping young players from getting expierence at adult level...all because ur one of these little hitlers up there putting in these ridiculous rules informing nobody that they are there,there is no way on earth you can blame a secretary,they can't possibly know every single rule that's out there....especially one's that ye make up,to make life hard for clubs,especially country clubs....stand back and think for minute will ya....tut tut...

[archie]

Freddie boy...That sounds very like what was coming out of a meeting with midleton club with Msl....no wonder ur supporting this stupid rule stopping young players from getting expierence at adult level...all because ur one of these little hitlers up there putting in these ridiculous rules informing nobody that they are there,there is no way on earth you can blame a secretary,they can't possibly know every single rule that's out there....especially one's that ye make up,to make life hard for clubs,especially country clubs....stand back and think for minute will ya....tut tut...

Local Cup Rules, The John Hayes Cup, "Only players registered in the Junior First Division are eligible to play in this competition"I think this is straight forward enough,
Get your club to submit a "change of rule proposal for the AGM" to the MSL (re youth players or whatever)before 30th April as per rule 42, Thats the way to go, and stop ranting about the MSL and every rule in the book on here.

[Mighty almighty]

It's called a forum Archie,were people debate incidents and opinions.everyone entitled to there opinion,and speak there own voice.....just like you have,😃so don't be telling anyone what they can and can't do.

[freddieflinston]

Freddie boy...That sounds very like what was coming out of a meeting with midleton club with Msl....no wonder ur supporting this stupid rule stopping young players from getting expierence at adult level...all because ur one of these little hitlers up there putting in these ridiculous rules informing nobody that they are there,there is no way on earth you can blame a secretary,they can't possibly know every single rule that's out there....especially one's that ye make up,to make life hard for clubs,especially country clubs....stand back and think for minute will ya....tut tut...

Now listen here BOY . Where did i say i agreed with the rule??? I just stated what the infringement was BOY. I have nothing to do with the MSL committee and will never have . But sorry it is the job of the secretary of ANY club to know the rules BOY! Especially one like that BOY .

[freddieflinston]

It's called a forum Archie,were people debate incidents and opinions.everyone entitled to there opinion,and speak there own voice.....just like you have,so don't be telling anyone what they can and can't do.

Ah so you are entitled to your opinion but i'm not entitled to mine is it ?? Calling me a little hitler and a boy. I'll just call you a hypocrite so in this case TUT TUT

[AvondaleNutter]

If the MSL just put up a PDF of the rules on the MSL website then at least we could see it in black and white. If there are any New rules or amendments of existing rules then these should be highlighted more clearly than others. It would solve a lot of the issues that clubs have whether or not that this player can play. I'm pretty sure the MSL look at this forum so hopefully they'll post the rule book on their website

[archie]

It's called a forum Archie,were people debate incidents and opinions.everyone entitled to there opinion,and speak there own voice.....just like you have,so don't be telling anyone what they can and can't do.

I'm not telling anyone what to do on this forum Mighty, just advising the way to go about rule changes and how there done, so as to hopefully put an end to this pointless debate. rules are rules, and we have to abide by them to the best of our ability until there changed to suite everyone,( which doesn't really happen, as you can't please everyone). Years ago a keeper could be shouldered into the goal, the rules changed in time, now you can't touch a keeper, (Good or bad?). Don't be slating the powers that be, because they need the clubs to act in order to change the rules.
Let yourself or someone in your club represent the club at delegate meetings and you'll receive all the information and knowledge of the rules etc.then. Now, take a chill pill