Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[Razors left peg]

This thread is starting to get as bad as the eligibility thread!

[paul_oshea]

I see your point Paul, but citing stuff isn't really a conflict between practical and theoretical. Wikipedia is under constant review, and the people who edit the articles about the symbolism of the Celtic cross, for example, will be people who have experience, or at least have carried out research, into far-right culture. I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about with regard to the poppy, clearly you do, even if I don't agree with your interpretations, but anyone can say whatever they want about their own subjective experiences. Giving sources and citations outside of that does give extra weight to what you're saying.

I don't disagree with this, but actually i would put more weight to someone who appears to be leaning towards one way, but then perhaps cites through whatever means something that goes against that, what that shows to me is that they have formed an opinion, based on experience mostly, and thats what has given them their belief or altered it slightly. I'm probably not articulating myself well here, but history* for example is almost always stated from some subjective point, if you can find someone who gives an opinion based on experiences with counter arguments, then thats of more value than anything you read from anyone else. And i know yes this could be documented...
*history could be anything really.

CD - I have indeed learnt, but I just know that my experience has lead me to be objective enough and therefore the superiast **

** I know you textbook folk on here won't see that joke, so that is a joke and i know there is no such word for those pedantic textbook worms, which is most of you :P

[tricky_colour]

This thread is starting to get as bad as the eligibility thread!

Just when you think it can't get any worse.

It does.

[DannyInvincible]

Who's that, tricky?

DI, in Manchester would you see many South Asians wearing the poppy, be objective, bar maybe nepalese I mean?

No, but that's the point, isn't it? They may view it differently to how those who do wear it view it. Some, naturally, may not have any feeling, ill or otherwise, towards the poppy at all.

I don't disagree with this, but actually i would put more weight to someone who appears to be leaning towards one way, but then perhaps cites through whatever means something that goes against that, what that shows to me is that they have formed an opinion, based on experience mostly, and thats what has given them their belief or altered it slightly.

Not sure if I'm reading you correctly - I'm more used to reading my text-books, obvs - but agnosticism, if you will, on any matter doesn't have to be seen as a weakness in light of a lack of evidence to justify taking a stance one way or the other beyond that lack of conviction on a particular subject. It's just an adherence to the principles of critical thought, simple logic and reason. I think it's a strength to be able to admit you just don't or can't know for certain the truth or otherwise of something beyond your own subjective perception.

Anyway, Martin's looking well!

[geysir]

I might think a lot of things about Keane, depending on the time of day, but him and Mon wearing the poppy is a non-issue and regardless whether they wear one in their own time or whether it was just stuck on their lapel without making a donation.

Would I wear a poppy if I was getting paid 200k and it was part of the uniform? I think so - I'd probably just do a De Valera.

I'd wear an Easter Lily no problem, I never had an issue with wearing one, though some other people had an issue with me wearing one. But I suppose the Easter Lily means different things to different people. I spent plenty of time travelling around Germany and especially in the villages you get a small insight into different aspects of the devastation effected in the world wars, in the war memorials that are usually to be seen in the village centre. A 2 horse village and a war memorial with some 2 or 3 hundred names and it's nice to see when it's well looked after. Some people can see a war memorial to dead soldiers as glorifying the war effort, some can see it as a living monument to an anti war sentiment and wanton destruction of a generation. The war memorial should be neutral, people can make out of it what they want from it, but it should be there.

[gastric]

This thread is starting to get as bad as the eligibility thread!

Just to ensure it remains so, McClean the weak spineless git should have one on his jersey this weekend!

[tricky_colour]

Who's that, tricky?

Any the wiser?

(It's our new midfield).

[tricky_colour]

Who's that, tricky?



Anyway, Martin's looking well!

Looks like Andy Reid will be playing if they have made a made to measure shirt for him already.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Can anyone explain why Alex Bruce's pic is on the link for the squad announcement?

To appease Not Brazil?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Meanwhile...





Football and politics, there; mixing...

Hmm, if the cap fits. Though funny how the English can make do with just the one...

[thischarmingman]

I really don't like people who textbook learn, live the world, learn from people immersed in that culture.

But if you think reading books is the only way to learn, good luck to you, each to their own.

I read at college and learnt nothing, I worked for 2 years and learnt everything.

[ArdeeBhoy]

The WSC take.

http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1168-november-2013/10662-ireland-gamble-on-o-neill-and-keane

[paul_oshea]

I left myself open for that really As unoriginal and unfunny as it was :P

[BonnieShels]

You'd think the Daily Record of all papers wouldn't get the two associations confused...

Irish FA close to appointing former Celtic boss Martin O'Neill as manager with Roy Keane as assistant

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/irish-fa-close-appointing-martin-2678290

[Crosby87]

"Bizarre presser" for Mick McCarthy say some:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/mick-mccarthy-ignores-ireland-questions-at-bizarre-press-conference-29735757.html