Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[shakermaker1982]

I think you are overestimating the abilities of English football journalists in knowing or remembering the full inside story on what happened against Denmark.

English football fans (& journalists) look at our current side and think ‘how the **** did you beat Germany, Italy etc. Harsh but true’. Get it in the office every time we have a bad result.

Dan Taylor is a good journalist and knows his stuff. Worked the Manchester beat for a number of years.

[DeLorean]

I'd expect most articles breaking a managerial appointment to include a basic synopsis of the manager's previous jobs. I wouldn't really expect a tactical analysis of specific matches. I agree the article reads favourably from O'Neill's point of view, but then his managerial career has generally been a very successful one. He had a poor record at Sunderland and this was highlighted. He had a mixed spell with us and the different perspectives were highlighted, albeit in a general sense.

Looks like Keane will be his number two again - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-37712188.html

[osarusan]

Article is ok but glosses over the scale of the downward trajectory at the end of his time with Ireland.

[DeLorean]

Article is ok but glosses over the scale of the downward trajectory at the end of his time with Ireland.

As Shakermaker suggests, I don't think the scale of that trajectory is anywhere near as obvious from the outside looking in. We lived every painful detail of it, Taylor probably looks at the campaign as a whole and sees some decent/excellent results and a disappointing ending. That does have the effect of glossing over some of the bad stuff, I'm just not sure it's deliberate.

Anyway, O'Neill confirmed - https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/n...ill-appointed/

[osarusan]

As Shakermaker suggests, I don't think the scale of that trajectory is anywhere near as obvious from the outside looking in. We lived every painful detail of it, Taylor probably looks at the campaign as a whole and sees some decent/excellent results and a disappointing ending. That does have the effect of glossing over some of the bad stuff, I'm just not sure it's deliberate.

Anyway, O'Neill confirmed - https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/n...ill-appointed/

I'd guess it's more likely that as a Forest fan, he doesn't really want to piss all over their new manager by saying how awful his most recent campaign was, so glossed over it.

[DeLorean]

I'd guess it's more likely that as a Forest fan, he doesn't really want to piss all over their new manager by saying how awful his most recent campaign was, so glossed over it.

There could be an element of that alright, but I think it'd have been a stretch to describe it as an awful campaign anyway. Unless you mean the NL campaign!

[osarusan]

There could be an element of that alright, but I think it'd have been a stretch to describe it as an awful campaign anyway. Unless you mean the NL campaign!

Yeah I'm only talking about the last NL campaign and that downward trajectory.

[DeLorean]

Fair enough. He described that campaign as "unsuccessful". Might be a coat of gloss there alright.

[OwlsFan]

Yes, will be interesting to see how they get on but the Championship is a tough league and much more interesting than the EPL with a relatively even playing field and any one of 15 teams (Wednesday are 16th) capable of challenging for promotion. I would be surprised if they do better than their predecessor but hey, it's a funny old game. They might have been better off going for the recently left by mutual consent ex Huddersfield manager.

[geysir]

Yes, will be interesting to see how they get on but the Championship is a tough league and much more interesting than the EPL with a relatively even playing field and any one of 15 teams (Wednesday are 16th) capable of challenging for promotion. I would be surprised if they do better than their predecessor but hey, it's a funny old game. They might have been better off going for the recently left by mutual consent ex Huddersfield manager.

Despair not, as of the 75th min, a cup run beckons.

[OwlsFan]

Done for O'Neill but not dusted for Keane as yet https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019...-me-at-forest/ Somehow I doubt if Keane enjoys putting out the cones for Mayor-tin. Must have ambition to get back in to management. If Rogers goes to Leicester would Celtic give him a try ?

[shakermaker1982]

Cracking result last night for Forest. MO’N has bought wisely and the City is bouncing again. Promotion charge is definitely on now. They’ve been robbed by bad ref calls in the last few matches but look very impressive at home.

MO’N looks really happy at the minute. Definitely a bounce in his step.

[DeLorean]

Can't see them making the playoffs but that win will keep him in the good books for a while.

[OwlsFan]

No surprise to see Big Daryl getting his game under MONKE.

[DeLorean]

Big Daryl could get his game under Big Mick too!