Player eligibility row

[Gather round]

Actually, Republic of Ireland v Northern Ireland in the Four Associations Tournament is only 7/10 months away:

http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4128

Will that be sufficient time for you to get even the basic facts right, or should we postpone it?

Chill, big man. There's nothing in Wolfie's post to get wound up by

Good points of your own up-thread.

[Wolfie]

Actually, Republic of Ireland v Northern Ireland in the Four Associations Tournament is only 7/10 months away:

http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4128

Will that be sufficient time for you to get even the basic facts right, or should we postpone it?

Put the handbag away, EG - if I was having a dig at you I'd quote your post.

Many thanks for the pedantic reference to the Four Associations Tournament. Catchy.

Is it the Celtic reference you object to or were you just being particularly pedantic?

[DannyInvincible]

So, Monday is the day of the hearing. Will CAS announce their decision on Monday also, or will that come after a period of deliberation over the facts and circumstances presented to them by the IFA? If so, any idea how long this process might take?

The CAS website states the following is scheduled:

19 July 2010
CAS 2010/A/2071 Irish Football Association v/ Football Association of Ireland, Daniel Kearns and FIFA

Presumably the FAI, Daniel Kearns and FIFA are sending representatives as well to argue against the IFA's case or is that even a requirement?

[EalingGreen]

Put the handbag away, EG - if I was having a dig at you I'd quote your post

By referring to your team as "Ireland", you are having a dig at my team, therefore me. For whilst I normally accept the (incorrect but) casual use of "Ireland" on threads like these when referring to the FAI team generally, when it is placed directly alongside the NI team, it is quite simply wrong (and irritating).

Many thanks for the pedantic reference to the Four Associations Tournament. Catchy.

Not my choice of title; if you want to know whose it was, perhaps you might take another look at whose website it was I quoted? After all, when it comes to the issue of nomenclature etc, I've seen ROI fans on here refusing to recognise the authority of FIFA; now it seems you are reluctant even to accept that of your own Association...

Is it the Celtic reference you object to

Not particularly, no. Afaiaa, it was the SFA who objected most strongly to that suggested title.

or were you just being particularly pedantic?

Seeing as it is actually easier, quicker and more correct to post "ROI" (and NI), it is arguably you who is being pedantic, by insisting on "Ireland". (I'll put the Celtic Cup reference down to ignorance/laziness)

[awec]

TBH, I don't care if they call themselves Ireland, Republic of Ireland or the "Better than those Nordie b**tards" Ireland.

[Charlie Darwin]

They're interchangable for me. Ireland is what most of us southerners call our country.

[gspain]

I would gladly take 3 hammerings in the Celtic/Four Associations/4 nations/whatever you want to call it/we need to pay for the Aviva stadium/mouse cup if we could be guaranteed that we'd be in Poland/Ukraine for the finals of a really important tournament in June 2012. So I don't think it will really settle too much on the pitch next year when we play. We have 2 huge games v Macedonia in the first half of 2011 and some friendlies.

Having said that I'll be at our 3 games and more than likely the other 3 in the tournament as well.

[Den Perry]

This competition seems like a good idea. However I'd worry that we me may encounter some of the hooligans that came to Dublin when Glentoran were here recently. Or indeed those that fought with the Polish in Belfast

[Sullivinho]

Ireland is what most of us southerners call our country.

True. The last time I heard anyone say "Republic of...", they were talking about Cork exclusively.




A relief all the same to know usage of the word isn't against house rules.

[awec]

Arguing over a name is a bit pedantic IMO, live and let live.

My worry is when NI play the ROI, there'll be hangers on from both sides who'll do their best to darken the name of both countries and ruin what would be a fantastic day for all genuine supporters.

Hopefully I'm wrong though.

[Charlie Darwin]

I wonder if there will be as many pedants at the match as there are around here.

I don't think "Come on you boys in the darker shade of green" rolls off the tongue as well as the current chant.

"Dan dan danana danana Republicofireland!"

[EalingGreen]

However I'd worry that we me may encounter some of the hooligans that came to Dublin when Glentoran were here recently.

Can't comment on that game, since I wasn't there.

Or indeed those that fought with the Polish in Belfast

Can comment on this, since I was there. The simple fact is, all the aggression and provocation etc came from a small hooligan section of the Polish support, as evidenced by the arrests and the Court convictions, and acknowledged by the PSNI and the local Polish Community Association representatives and (by implication) by FIFA, whose match observers took no action against the IFA.
Of course, you might know that, too, had you been there (and had the integrity to acknowledge it, which I doubt).

Anyhow, I, too, hope that the ROI/NI game passes off peacefully, though I am not so confident, since I fear it has the capacity to attract scumbags from both Belfast & Dublin etc, who may attach themselves to "their" respective teams for the day.

Let's hope the Gardai can both identify any troublemakers early and mete out whatever "summary justice" they see fit.

[ifk101]

I was not "twisting" anything - that was KK/Endgame. As for my references to Cliftonville, those were merely to refute KK/Endgame's slur that WP is a "no go" area for Nationalists, by pointing out that a predominantly Nationalist-supported club can happily play European games there, even during the height of the 'Marching Season'.
Ditto KK/Endgame's allegations of "loyalist bias" at the IFA etc, where I pointed out their assistance to C'ville.
As for my having a "sly dig" at their fans, that was not my point*, but even if it were, what would that have to do with you? You a big fan of the Wee Reds or IL football these days? Why do you take exception to my posts, whilst ignoring those of a stirrer like KK?

Cliftonville chose the Oval as their choice of venue. Circumstances dictated that Windsor was where the match would/ was played. Again you had a sly little dig about nationalist going to Windsor - whatever. I haven't seen you post on the Irish League forum btw. Again I didn't click on KK's link - I know better

* - Fyi, I have nothing for/against C'ville or their fans; in fact I was pleased for them for last night's victory

High five.

You don't appear to uinderstand the difference between "reasoned" and "reasonable". When I said my reply to KK was "reasoned", I meant that I gave reasons to support my case. Of course it is for others to decide for themselves whether that case is reasonable (valid) or not.

Was it reasoned to bring Cliftonville into the conversation? Anyways Cliftonville wouldn't be the first club I (and I presume others) think of in Belfast with a nationalist leaning.

Are you implying that I am not a "genuine NI fan"?

No.

Other posters (eg Lionel R, Danny I, Co.Down Green, AWEC, Mr. Parker etc) have replied to my posts with informed, reasoned opinions of their own, some of which support me, others which don't (fair enough).
Whereas your most recent posts on this thread (#'s 975, 982, 984), are all barely concealed ad hominem attacks on me, which otherwise contribute precisely nothing to the debate. Then again, since you apparently know sod-all about football in Belfast etc, that should hardly be any surprise.

I'm no expert EG, hence why I asked questions to learn more. I take it from your failure to answer them that you're no expert either.

If I thought KK was merely "fishing" by posting that Endgame tripe, I would, indeed, leave it. But it is clear from his other NI-related posts that he entirely agrees with the prejudiced bile contained therein.
Even then I might be prepared to leave it at that, since it is obvious that no amount of reasoning or evidence is likely to change his particular closed mind.
However, there are other, less informed Members of this Board who might be casually persuaded by such rants, to one degree or another.
Therefore, I choose to reply to KK, as a means of "setting straight the record" (as I see it).
Meanwhile, you appear to have no informed view on the "record", but pile in with your posts anyhow...

I don't always agree with you EG. No.

I will "be" whatever way I like. But however that may be, I will try to practice what I preach.
Speaking of which, I note that you continue to contradict your own "preaching", by neither reporting me to the Mods, nor adding me to your "Ignore List".

You have your own forum to play on. If you don't want me commenting on your posts, don't post in the forum(s) I read. You can add me to your ignore list if you so wish. Cheerio.

[awec]

Cliftonville are the biggest club whose support is predominantly nationalist, so they would be most people's first thought when thinking along those lines.

You're the one who keeps trying to make some point about him having a go at cville, when he clearly isn't.

[ifk101]

Cliftonville are the biggest club whose support is predominantly nationalist, so they would be most people's first thought when thinking along those lines.

Well it's a matter of opinion I suppose.

You're the one who keeps trying to make some point about him having a go at cville, when he clearly isn't.

Strange one, that, all the more since whilst WP is accessible/acceptable to them as Reds fans, it somehow ceases to become so (as Nationalists) when NI play there.

I beg(gar) to differ.