Player eligibility row

[tetsujin1979]

whoops, missed that geysir

[EalingGreen]

i think this would capture the diversity of Northern Ireland and its people

You're way behind the programme, Stu, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind.

You see, Dana was subsequently the singer and co-writer of our Official 1982 World Cup Song, a rousing ditty entitled "Yer Man" - though her Official Website makes no reference to it, surprisingly enough!

http://www.dana-music.com/

P.S. Dana's song (starting, from memory, with the line: "When Yer Man gets the Ball") should not be confused with this effort, which itself should not be confused with music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL3gZt2FXBU

and sung by one of your own.

Not quite - as Michael Caine would say, "Not a lot of people know" that Dana was actually born in London.
However, she was eligible to sing our World Cup song by virtue of her parents coming from NI - that was before some of you lot tried to poach her to be your President

[SkStu]

Not quite - as Michael Caine would say, "Not a lot of people know" that Dana was actually born in London.
However, she was eligible to sing our World Cup song by virtue of her parents coming from NI - that was before some of you lot tried to poach her to be your President

i actually saw that about her being born in London (on wikipedia when i was researching where she was actually from) and i thought that was even more appropriate considering well, y'know, you all want to be Brits n that

So who better then, than Dana, to bring a divided state together.....

[ifk101]

As for the de facto sectarian nature of the FAI's recruitment policy, as every new case of defection emerges, the incontrovertible fact that they are exclusively from the Nationalist/Catholic community, combined with the equally incontrovertible evidence of the FAI being prepared to make the first approach, points ever more directly to the point that they are only offering opportunities to one community in NI.

Yet more meandering drivel passed off as fact. The FAI has a reputation of approaching and capping anybody with a pair of football boots and a pulse, regardless of their background. The FAI didn't think twice about capping Alan Kernaghan now did they?

Which, considering the FAI's deceit over "not making the first approach", makes sense i.e. if they were to approach promising youngsters from the Unionist/Protestant community, they would risk being turned down flat, and their activities being exposed for all to see.

Deceit? The FAI regularly has scouts at NI underage internationals. You can't miss them. There're the ones with the letters FAI scribbled all over their jackets. They've nothing to hide and they are doing nothing wrong. As long as those born in NI aren't tied to the NI senior side, they are as much the FAI's players as they are the IFA's players. In fact the IFA is now functioning as a feeder association for the FAI. Get use to it.

Still, we're the bigots in all this...

If you insist....

[geysir]

It's a wrap now, the Belfast Telegraph has concluded its online poll

Poll: Northern Ireland eligibility row
Should footballers born in Northern Ireland be free to play for the Republic?
Yes 54%
No 46%

Belfast Telegraph info
Unlike its London-based stablemate The Independent, the Belfast Telegraph is conservative in outlook. In the context of Northern Irish politics, the Belfast Telegraph attempts to attract readers from across the community, though it is decidedly moderate unionist in outlook

After the failure of the concerted attempt by the OWC to rig the poll, it is predictable that any significance will be demeaned by them post event. I suppose there must be thousands of enemies of the OWC sitting at their computer all day cleaning cookies while the ordinary decent OWC supporter is out helping old ladies cross the road.

[DannyInvincible]

You said it, Predator, "some" posters. In my experience (admittedly limited to a bare handful of MB's), every such forum has its share of "silly" posters, including this one.

But it's always harder to stomach when the "silly" posters are the ones running the place.

As for the de facto sectarian nature of the FAI's recruitment policy, as every new case of defection emerges, the incontrovertible fact that they are exclusively from the Nationalist/Catholic community, combined with the equally incontrovertible evidence of the FAI being prepared to make the first approach, points ever more directly to the point that they are only offering opportunities to one community in NI.

Outrageous. Moderators?...

In seriousness though, what a ridiculous accusation. Socio-cultural factors and the landscape of Northern Irish society will naturally dictate that those you find to be declaring for Ireland will, almost wholly, be from a nationalist background. It's self-evident; really very simple. Any dope could tell you that. No need to pretend there's some sinister "poaching" policy to create "football apartheid in Ireland" at play here unless you're trying to make some cheap political point. The same FAI were still governing Irish football back when Ulster Protestant, Alan Kernaghan, lined out for Ireland, you know?

Out of interest, where is this "incontrovertible evidence"? Maybe it does exist; I genuinely don't know.

Which, considering the FAI's deceit over "not making the first approach", makes sense i.e. if they were to approach promising youngsters from the Unionist/Protestant community, they would risk being turned down flat, and their activities being exposed for all to see.

Still, we're the bigots in all this...

What are you talking about? What deceit? Do the FAI officially claim that they don't make a "first approach"? Maybe they do in some cases; maybe they don't in others. Maybe word filters through middle parties, interest is reciprocated and then comes a mutual agreement. As for Shane Duffy, it was my understanding that he long wanted to play for Ireland before the FAI ever got their act together and decided to facilitate his wishes. Besides, why is it even all that relevant who approaches who first? Is it possible you might have to face up to some uncomfortable truths if it were the players who were showing an initiative in these cases so you adamantly maintain that it can't possibly be the case, ever? There's no coercion involved in all of this, you'll be pleased to here; your lads are in good hands. The player's are offered a choice. Some will take it; some won't. I find the continuing tabloidesque characterisation of the FAI as some sort of vicious child predator on the prowl throughout the land of innocence truly laughable by this stage.

The whole notion of the FAI refraining from contacting a Protestant player for fear of their "activities" might be "exposed" is just plain daft. What's to be exposed? Sure, how could they be so sure some Catholic lad wouldn't "blow the whistle" on them if they even were indeed up to anything shady? I just don't see exactly what the problem is in legitimately facilitating the wishes of northern-borns. Sorry.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Some good responses there people, especially our Northern posters.
Even EG's, if only for the comedic 'paranoia' in his response.
Though small beer compared to our favourite MB elsewhere.

[Charlie Darwin]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the FAI approaching only Catholic/nationalists? What seems to be common sense to me appears to be nothing short of pure evil to some NI supporters.

[DannyInvincible]

P.S. You may not be aware of it, but one of the posters with whom you have had the strongest run-ins is actually a fellow Donegal man. However, unlike you, he supports a local club team (Harps), not one from another county (country?) at all...

Just on this, the city of Derry is as much - if not more so - a locale for much of the population of north-east Donegal as Ballybofey is. This rings especially true for those residing in Inishowen where the distant and seemingly insignificant Ballybofey would rarely even register on their consciousness. Other than maybe when their local club, Derry City, happens to be playing Finn Harps.

I'm not sure what sort of point you're trying to make though. Is it an attack on Predator or fhtb, who goes one step further on what you seem to be finding fault with Predator over; he actually supports, not a team from another country, but another country altogether? Not that I could care, personally, but there appears to be an inconsistency in your point there.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the FAI approaching only Catholic/nationalists? What seems to be common sense to me appears to be nothing short of pure evil to some NI supporters.

Just go for the whole lot and take anyone who's up for playing. Then their bigots can't make their ridiculous claim of 'sectarianism'. Am surprised they can even spell it, let alone know what it means.....

Is it an attack on Predator or fhtb, who goes one step further on what you seem to be finding fault with Predator over; he actually supports, not a team from another country, but another country altogether?

Hmm, assuming they are a 'country'. Anyway some of that crowd are the masters of Hypocrisy. Leave them to it!

[gspain]

Deceit? The FAI regularly has scouts at NI underage internationals. You can't miss them. There're the ones with the letters FAI scribbled all over their jackets. They've nothing to hide and they are doing nothing wrong. As long as those born in NI aren't tied to the NI senior side, they are as much the FAI's players as they are the IFA's players. In fact the IFA is now functioning as a feeder association for the FAI. Get use to it.
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I very much doubt this is true. The FAI in almost all cases do not make the first approach (Brian Kerr most likely did approach Chris Baird). The scouts thing is most likely paranoia. Any RoI based scouts at NI underage games are almost certainly scouting for cross channel clubs.

[livehead1]

Take whoever wants to play for us. If they see their allegiance with us then that is enough for me. N.I. are bitter and very pi**ed off. I would be of a similar mindset if I was in their position; but the truth is, I am not and thank god for that. Take every last bleeding one of them.

[ifk101]

I very much doubt this is true. The FAI in almost all cases do not make the first approach (Brian Kerr most likely did approach Chris Baird). The scouts thing is most likely paranoia. Any RoI based scouts at NI underage games are almost certainly scouting for cross channel clubs.

Is it not better to encourage the OWC paranoia as it will serve to attract more players to us?

It is clear to anyone willing to step back and look at this objectively that players supposedly poached from NI haven't been poached at all. NI born players that want to play for us have made known their desire to do so and the FAI has acted accordingly. At the end of the day, all the FAI is offering these players is a chance to play international football. This is exactly what the IFA is offering these players. It is the players themselves that make the choice but apparently others chose to ignore this and wish to highlight this as evidence of the de facto sectarian nature in the FAI's recruitment policy.

[DannyInvincible]

It is clear to anyone willing to step back and look at this objectively that players supposedly poached from NI haven't been poached at all. NI born players that want to play for us have made known their desire to do so and the FAI has acted accordingly. At the end of the day, all the FAI is offering these players is a chance to play international football. This is exactly what the IFA is offering these players. It is the players themselves that make the choice but apparently others chose to ignore this and wish to highlight this as evidence of the de facto sectarian nature in the FAI's recruitment policy.

But who can they blame now then? For seeing the players as thinking beings making decisions on their own volition - could it possibly be?! - might expose some uncomfortable home truths, and we can't be having that, good Lord!

[ifk101]

But who can they blame now then? For seeing the players as thinking beings making decisions on their own volition - could it possibly be?! - might expose some uncomfortable home truths, and we can't be having that, good Lord!

Freedom of choice is not an ideal that sits easily with the North Koreans so while they're busy focusing on increased internet censorship and the IFA is focused on begging to CAS, I think the FAI should organise a summer training camp for all players playing with each and every NI underage squad. Let every player know that they are welcome regardless of their background and the door is always open for them (provided they are good enough) to play with us.