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  • Charlie Darwin
    Banned. Children Banned. Grandchildren Banned. 3 Months.
    • Jan 2010
    • 18576

    #706
    I'm not sure how FIFA votes on that kind of thing, but I assume the home nations FAs would have 50% of the votes so would effectively block any attempt to integrate the Irish teams against the IFA's will.

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    • DannyInvincible
      Capped Player
      • Sep 2006
      • 11521

      #707
      Just having a guess, but I assume that the reason Hong Kong and Macau are able to preserve distinct international teams is due to the fact that they remain as separate political jurisdictions within the overall "state" or something. I don't know what the nature of any future united Ireland would be, but I assume that for the two teams to be preserved, there would have to be some visible political distinction between their respective territories. In saying that, I have heard the notion of a federal united Ireland being aired in which Stormont would maintain certain powers of governance over what is now Northern Ireland but still under the general umbrella of a united Ireland. Whether that would satisfy FIFA as being "distinct enough", I don't know.
      Last edited by DannyInvincible; 23/04/2010, 4:41 PM.
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      • Gather round
        First Team
        • Apr 2006
        • 2045

        #708
        Originally posted by geysir
        Who knows what course the path to unity will take
        The path blocked with a big 'no entry' sign, I think. In the foreseeable future it's about as likely as a united Scandinavia.

        Originally posted by Danny Invincible
        Out of interest, why exactly would you be unable to relate to an all-Ireland football team, in contrast with how you relate to the current all-Ireland rugby team? It is because it would be something you wouldn't be totally used to and wouldn't be sure what form it might take on, or is there something more to it?
        It would be- not that I see it happening in the foreseeable future, as above- effectively a Republic of Ireland team complete with Soldier's song, Tricolors, fiddle-diddle and the rest. I've no interest in rugby, but do follow Irish cricket and that's bad enough. No harm to the Southern and nationalist fans, obviously we have a shared enjoyment of the game, but I'd much prefer a distinct NI team even if it was weaker.

        Originally posted by Crosby 87
        If for arguments sake i told you NI will not make a Euro or WC for the next 30 years would you reconsider? Or would you rather a team never make it but at least they would still be "your team?" This is what I am curious about
        The latter, of course. In the same way that if I'd told you in 1994 you'd only qualify for one of the next eight tournaments I wouldn't have expected you to go off and start supporting England or Brazil.
        Last edited by Gather round; 23/04/2010, 4:52 PM.

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        • kingdomkerry
          Reserves
          • Aug 2007
          • 856

          #709
          Keep trying to convince yourself

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          • geysir
            Capped Player
            • Apr 2005
            • 15392

            #710
            Originally posted by Charlie Darwin
            I'm not sure how FIFA votes on that kind of thing, but I assume the home nations FAs would have 50% of the votes so would effectively block any attempt to integrate the Irish teams against the IFA's will.
            If it was an issue, it would be an issue for congress.
            The home nations do not have 50% of the congress vote.
            They have no special voting privileges in FIFA
            except they have a majority vote or veto power, as regards to any changing of the rules of the game or something to that effect.
            Other than that, the 4 home nations have just one vote each in congress, same as any other association.

            The IFA could apply to be downgraded to provisional member of FIFA, and in future be known as the provisional IFA.

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            • ArdeeBhoy
              International Prospect
              • Jun 2007
              • 6237

              #711
              Originally posted by Gather round
              It would be- not that I see it happening in the foreseeable future, as above- effectively a Republic of Ireland team complete with Soldier's song, Tricolors, fiddle-diddle and the rest. I've no interest in rugby, but do follow Irish cricket and that's bad enough. No harm to the Southern and nationalist fans, obviously we have a shared enjoyment of the game, but I'd much prefer a distinct NI team even if it was weaker.
              It's, er, tricolour
              Did the Nordie education system even deny its correct spelling??


              As for a 'separate' cricket team, luckily the ICU (& IRFU) aren't such paranoid bigots to suggest fragmented national sporting teams. By comparison, even the distant concept of a UI is more likely, FFS.


              Evidence of this is one Irish soccer team not qualifying for a Finals since 2002 and the other 'faux' one for a minimum of more than quarter of a century and counting......

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              • ArdeeBhoy
                International Prospect
                • Jun 2007
                • 6237

                #712
                Originally posted by Lionel Ritchie
                Some of the things likely to be negotiated out the window would be A na bF (nice tune ...iffy lyrics though) and our tricolour. You could also expect to be heading the other way up the M1 to watch about half our home games. Who'd like to break that news to Aviva?
                We've already had that discussion;'A Nation Once Again', The Four Provinces Flag and if Aviva are that bothered, they can pay to upgrade Casement Park !

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                • Lionel Ritchie
                  Seasoned Pro
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 4329

                  #713
                  Originally posted by ArdeeBhoy
                  We've already had that discussion;'A Nation Once Again', The Four Provinces Flag and if Aviva are that bothered, they can pay to upgrade Casement Park !


                  Chattin' with the bathroom mirror does not a discussion make. A Nation Once Again? Why the half-measures? ...why not 'The Provie Birdy' altogether? For balance sake -when we're playing in this upgraded Casement Park should we play 'Here Lies A Soldier' or 'Dollys Brae'?
                  " I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"

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                  • Crosby87
                    Seasoned Pro
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 3809

                    #714
                    I truly do not believe NI will ever make a World Cup or Euro Championship in my remaining lifetime. I am 33 and healthy as a horse.
                    Just my opinion.
                    No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.

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                    • ArdeeBhoy
                      International Prospect
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 6237

                      #715
                      Originally posted by Lionel Ritchie
                      Chattin' with the bathroom mirror does not a discussion make. A Nation Once Again? Why the half-measures? ...why not 'The Provie Birdy' altogether?
                      Hmm. Clearly Amnesia and Irony are not concepts that have permeated the Limerick environs??
                      Though if you really want to bring up Irish nationalism/'The Struggle', in a spirit of compromise, games in Beal-feirste could also be accompanied by 'The Sash'. Even that would be more credible than their current dirge....


                      And to be fair to the Six counties representative XI, if there's a 24 team Euros in 2016, even they should get there....

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                      • awec
                        Reserves
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 679

                        #716
                        Originally posted by ArdeeBhoy
                        It's, er, tricolour
                        Did the Nordie education system even deny its correct spelling??


                        As for a 'separate' cricket team, luckily the ICU (& IRFU) aren't such paranoid bigots to suggest fragmented national sporting teams. By comparison, even the distant concept of a UI is more likely, FFS.


                        Evidence of this is one Irish soccer team not qualifying for a Finals since 2002 and the other 'faux' one for a minimum of more than quarter of a century and counting......
                        Funnily enough, I've been criticised for singing "Ireland's call" at the rugby, recieved dirty looks after people hear my Northern accent for not singing the Soldiers song (I stand, I'm quiet and I respect it, seem some can't respect my choice not to sing it) and I've heard the old "Ireland's call shouldnt be sung, it's a disgrace, only in there to appease those northern <insert expletive here>."

                        If these problems exist in Rugby, then they'd be far greatly magnified in football and I can't ever see there being an all ireland football team for a long time.

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                        • awec
                          Reserves
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 679

                          #717
                          Originally posted by ArdeeBhoy
                          We've already had that discussion;'A Nation Once Again', The Four Provinces Flag and if Aviva are that bothered, they can pay to upgrade Casement Park !
                          Casement Park? You're kidding right?

                          Why not upgrade Windsor?

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                          • ArdeeBhoy
                            International Prospect
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 6237

                            #718
                            I don't know, you could call the access road to Casement, 'Irony Bypass', no?

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                            • Gather round
                              First Team
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 2045

                              #719
                              Originally posted by ArdeeBhoy
                              As for a 'separate' cricket team, luckily the ICU (& IRFU) aren't such paranoid bigots to suggest fragmented national sporting teams
                              It represents two separate countries, so fragmenting into two teams makes perfect sense.

                              By comparison, even the distant concept of a UI is more likely, FFS
                              Come out of denial, you know it makes sense.

                              Evidence of this is one Irish soccer team not qualifying for a Finals since 2002 and the other 'faux' one for a minimum of more than quarter of a century and counting......
                              Aye, it's evidence that they're both mediocre. Which they'd likely remain if they merged.

                              Originally posted by Lionel Ritchie
                              For balance sake -when we're playing in this upgraded Casement Park should we play...'Dollys Brae'?
                              Only if we rename it 'King William's Bridge'

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                              • Gather round
                                First Team
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 2045

                                #720
                                Originally posted by Crosby87
                                I truly do not believe NI will ever make a World Cup or Euro Championship in my remaining lifetime. I am 33 and healthy as a horse.
                                Just my opinion
                                I wouldn't put too much money on it, while wishing you another healthy 50 years and more. I've not expected us to qualify for any tournament while I've been watching, including the ones where we did.

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