Shamrock Rovers fans held after rampage in rivals' pub

[Sean South]

Assuming this story is indeed true, a "minority" of at least 30 fans left Tallaght and went about traveling 17 kilometers across the city to cause a fight in what is a quiet local pub. Regardless of the status, relationship or otherwise that these people's links to SRFC are, there is no way that the SRFC club or board can not be in control of 30 fans like this. However, it's utterly unlikely that said same bunch would go to this much effort to cause havoc without any SRFC club officials or fans being aware of who they are and any inaction by them is unacceptable.

It might be a surprise to you but not all Shams supporters live in Tallaght!!! And if you're looking for a dance after/before football with all Guardians of the peace around the ground it wouldn't be uncommon for incidents like this to happen in a place some what similar to the location in the article.

It's a nothing story really, if it was 8 GAA fans arrested it wouldn't be printed.

[bullit]

It might be a surprise to you but not all Shams supporters live in Tallaght!!! And if you're looking for a dance after/before football with all Guardians of the peace around the ground it wouldn't be uncommon for incidents like this to happen in a place some what similar to the location in the article.

It's a nothing story really, if it was 8 GAA fans arrested it wouldn't be printed.

100%.
Happens more often than the Gaaliban or the media would ever admit,right down to parish club level.

[peadar1987]

And incidentally, a few thrown glasses, and a broken window or two, all contained within the one public house?

WORST

RAMPAGE

EVER!

[de bowez]

There's nothing our club can do to stop free people smashing up pubs, but seriously nobody is going to travel an hour and a half by bus from one end of Dublin to the other, via two buses, just to smash up a pub, never mind 20 such people. If it was our fans involved, we'd have found out inside 24 hours.

The story is a week late and so off the wall, to be taken seriously.

When Bohs fans smashed up a pub we were quick to condemn it, paid for the damages and barred those responsible. I read a couple of posts around the internet since the match saying that there was an article coming - see the press thread on the ultras forum.

[BohsPartisan]

There's nothing our club can do to stop free people smashing up pubs, but seriously nobody is going to travel an hour and a half by bus from one end of Dublin to the other, via two buses, just to smash up a pub, never mind 20 such people. If it was our fans involved, we'd have found out inside 24 hours.

The story is a week late and so off the wall, to be taken seriously.

Jesus mypost, do you think every negative story about rovers is a lie? Who else do you think is going to go into a well known Bohs pub and smash it up on the evening of derby day? Pats fans trying to give rovers a bad name? Coked up journalists? Bohs players out to kick the fans in the teeth yet again?
They were Rovers casuals. End of. They travelled all the way accross town almost five hours after the game ended to smash up a pub they knew was Bohs. Several of them were caught on CCTV and there were witnesses.

[Shedendinvisibl]

It might be a surprise to you but not all Shams supporters live in Tallaght!!! And if you're looking for a dance after/before football with all Guardians of the peace around the ground it wouldn't be uncommon for incidents like this to happen in a place some what similar to the location in the article.

It's a nothing story really, if it was 8 GAA fans arrested it wouldn't be printed.

It might be a surprise to you too but SRFC fans do travel to and from Tallaght on match days; where they live has nothing to do with this at all. The mere fact, however, that such a large group went to such effort to pull off this stunt in the afternoon not long after a derby match in Tallaght sure tells you a lot but if you wish to consider 30, yes, 30 people going across town to thrash a pub a non incident then shame on you.

[HulaHoop]

Strange article, surprised the first mention of the incident was in a Sunday newspaper a full week after the event. I would have expected if "rovers scum" had smashed up a pub full of bohs fans it would have been on gypoweb that night or the next morning but not a word about it. How does the reporter know they travelled by bus? How does the reporter know they were Rovers fans? No quotes in the article at all. It's a story that wouldn't have got past the editor unless the words Shamrock Rovers were attached.

It seems all 8 were teenagers 5 of which were underage in the pub. This sounds like a few bebo schooligans arranged "a meet" with their counterparts in phibsboro. I bet if you had a look at their bebo/facebook pages you'd see them threatening each other all week prior to the game. Fuc*ing eejits. I'd expect the club to ban them if/when they are convicted but theres shag all we can do to stop public order offences happening on the other side of the city 5 hours after a match.

[HulaHoop]

It might be a surprise to you too but SRFC fans do travel to and from Tallaght on match days; where they live has nothing to do with this at all. The mere fact, however, that such a large group went to such effort to pull off this stunt in the afternoon not long after a derby match in Tallaght sure tells you a lot but if you wish to consider 30, yes, 30 people going across town to thrash a pub a non incident then shame on you.

The article says 20 which is a nice round number but then again the article says a lot of things that can't be established as fact like how they got there for starters. The Garda spokesman says there were 3 arrests and 5 questioned which makes that 8 to me. But lets say it was 20, there was a crowd of over 5200 at the match. 20 out of 5200 = 0.4% of the overall crowd which cannot be considered "such a large group" as you allege. We can't even be sure these gobsh1tes were at the match never mind do anything to stop them having a fight in a bar hours after a match had taken place.

[Macy]

Why can no one ever accept responsibilty? other than say what others have done. the old phrase get your own house in order etc springs to mind.

There has to be less blame culture and more responsibility and acceptance. One family, which is what I often hear on these threads about the LOI community.

What can any club do about an incident on the other side of a city, hours after a match? What are you looking for "anyone" to take responsibility for? Responsibility for policing is with the Gardai. Do we have legislation for banning orders, which is what clubs actually need to ban people (effectively) for football related trouble? Has Ahern moved to bring any in since the last incident that the media went to town on?

Also, who the fook has ever used "one family"? Maybe some marketing knob in the FAI (I'm not sure even they are that naff), but I've never heard a fan use it.

As ever, the Irish media highlight this issue with regard to the LoI, and no doubt it will be used as a stick to beat the league with. How many incidents happened in the UK after matches over the weekend, never mind a season. Does that stop pages of coverage of the actual matches, supplements etc? Does it even get a bloody mention?

[pineapple stu]

"Football family" is a favourite of the FAI. It basically means "We all are in this together, so don't rock the boat and do exactly what we tell you"

[BohsPartisan]

The article says 20 which is a nice round number but then again the article says a lot of things that can't be established as fact like how they got there for starters.

Does it really matter how they got there? Are you questioning the ability of Rovers fans to get from Tallaght to phibsboro in five hours? Even in the days before the automobile I'm sure they could have managed that. Read my post above (not mypost). The article is by and large factual. The only difference was there were probably between 30 and 40 of them, not twenty. I'm not saying Rovers could have done anything to stop this but at least you could condemn this behaviour instead of perpetually pretending that all your fans are whiter than white.

[Macy]

"Football family" is a favourite of the FAI. It basically means "We all are in this together, so don't rock the boat and do exactly what we tell you"

It's a Delaney favourite alright, but the poster specifically said "One Family", as used by the "LoI community".

[HulaHoop]

Does it really matter how they got there? Are you questioning the ability of Rovers fans to get from Tallaght to phibsboro in five hours? Even in the days before the automobile I'm sure they could have managed that. Read my post above (not mypost). The article is by and large factual. The only difference was there were probably between 30 and 40 of them, not twenty. I'm not saying Rovers could have done anything to stop this but at least you could condemn this behaviour instead of perpetually pretending that all your fans are whiter than white.

No I'm questioning the journalist presenting something as fact in the article by sayng "they travelled by bus" when there is no possible way the journalist could be sure of this. With that being the case it opens the entire article up to being questioned as to what is and isn't the truth in it. No other paper had this, no mention of the incident on the internet all week. That's not to say it didn't happen but I'm not going to apologise for not believing everything I read in a paper.

Maybe next time you reply to one of my posts you could quote everything I said instead of selectively quoting part of it and going to town on it. If you read either of my posts on this thread (which you obviously have) you would see the following

Fuc*ing eejits. I'd expect the club to ban them if/when they are convicted

and

these gobsh1tes

Is that me pretending they are whiter than white?

[PartySaint]

Strange article, surprised the first mention of the incident was in a Sunday newspaper a full week after the event. I would have expected if "rovers scum" had smashed up a pub full of bohs fans it would have been on gypoweb that night or the next morning but not a word about it. How does the reporter know they travelled by bus? How does the reporter know they were Rovers fans? No quotes in the article at all. It's a story that wouldn't have got past the editor unless the words Shamrock Rovers were attached.

It seems all 8 were teenagers 5 of which were underage in the pub. This sounds like a few bebo schooligans arranged "a meet" with their counterparts in phibsboro. I bet if you had a look at their bebo/facebook pages you'd see them threatening each other all week prior to the game. Fuc*ing eejits. I'd expect the club to ban them if/when they are convicted but theres shag all we can do to stop public order offences happening on the other side of the city 5 hours after a match.

Pfffffft no one uses Bebo anymore

[SkStu]

from their trip to Israel

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we're all a hoop tonight, eh?