Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

[higgins]

You are supposed to go from A Championship -> First Division -> Premier Division
It just so happened that only 20 clubs received eiter a Premier or First divsion licence.
Allowing the new Derry and Cork take the First division spots when they just so happened to get a First Division licence at the first time of asking, despite one of them missing the original deadline.

Two companies who have never before owned a football club let alone take part in senior football.

Of course it all just happened by chance that only 20 clubs got a licence making way for them two to be bumped up past the A Championship.

[oriel]

First thanks lads for pointing out that the ILC couldn't award a place to Bray yesterday but when will the FAI declare this and the place for Europe?

The euro spot has got to go to Dundalk for the club that finished next highest.

Ps With Cork demotted, relegated, whatever, this leaves only Bohs and Pats as the two teams who have never played in Div 1, and both went to close, well Pats were never really in danger in my book, but they did need the security of that last win and I think Bohs were in a play off in 1999.

[bennocelt]

Hopefully no-one from the Cork forum mind me posting this link to the audio from this morning.

Award winning stuff.

http://www.ccfcforum.com/audios/96fm24022010parta.mp3

Part B - Jonathan O'Brien http://www.ccfcforum.com/audios/96fm24022010partb.mp3

Part C - Jim McCarthy, Peter Grey, Tom Coughlan & Jonathan O'Brien http://www.ccfcforum.com/audios/96fm24022010partc.mp3

Part D - Michael O'Connell http://www.ccfcforum.com/audios/96fm24022010partd.mp3

Had to bump this as its kind of the whole thread in 4 radio parts, thanks CandyStripe this is awesome stuff
Coughlan has pretty much a break down on the last one, jeez
The Foras guy - O Brien comes across very well, same with the English fella
"Tom Coughlan is a lunatic and just lost his marbles"

[charliesboots]

Or the club is wound up and FORAS purchase the trading name and lease for Turner's Cross from the liquidator.

Because of the restrictions on the lease there won't be many potential buyers.

I'd imagine they could then apply for membership of the league play in the A League next season if needs be.

I was nearly right, albeit a few months on - Foras should look into buying the name Cork City Football Club from the court appointed liquidator and forget about this Foras Co-Op nonsense

[dong]

I've been looking into this area for a few days - and have found some good and not so good ones:

BATE Borisov (BATE being an acronym for Borisov Works of Automobile and Tractor Electric Equipment)

Would have thought they were sponsored by Bulmers no?
As in "Bate The Wife"

[Celdrog]

Are Foras happy with using that crest - its very similar to the Cork City one - that is still owned by Tom Coughlan isn't it. Or does copyright not matter in football.

Also City of Cork FC would still be CCFC.

[Doomofman]

Are Foras happy with using that crest - its very similar to the Cork City one - that is still owned by Tom Coughlan isn't it. Or does copyright not matter in football.

Also City of Cork FC would still be CCFC.

Ever notice how imitation Coca Cola has a really similar label to the real stuff? Same thing... Just because it looks similar doesn't mean it's a copyright infringement

[bennocelt]

Llandudno Junction is a town not just a train station so im sure the footy team has taken the town name and not just the train station
You could have had Lex X1 ,NEWI CEFN Druids named after their sponsors,

There are two stops - Llandudno and Llandudno Junction (outside the town), once saw there womens team play!!!

[Nedser]

I've been looking into this area for a few days - and have found some good and not so good ones:

Hindustan Aeronautics (India)
BATE Borisov (BATE being an acronym for Borisov Works of Automobile and Tractor Electric Equipment)
Briton Ferry Llansawel (of the Welsh third division)
Llandudno Junction (Named after the train station of the same name I believe)
Skoda Xanthi (Greece)

My favourite one though is the football team from Cochabamba in Bolivia - called Club Jorge Wilsterman.

Jorge Wilsterman was Bolivia's first commercial pilot...

There are some absolute shockers in Australia. My favourite is:
Associazione Poli-sportiva Italo Australiana Leichhardt Tigers Football Club
(or "APIA Leichhardt" for short!)

And then there is "West Sydney Berries Football Club", which used to be known as "Canterbury-Marrickville Olympic Football Club".

[Réiteoir]

There are two stops - Llandudno and Llandudno Junction (outside the town), once saw there womens team play!!!

The current club was founded as Hotpoint FC in 1975, playing in the Old Colwyn and District Sunday League. During the 1996–97 season the team moved to Llanfairfechan’s Recreation Ground due to the limitations of the Victoria Drive ground. As a result, the team changed its name to Llanfairfechan Athletic.

In 1998, the club returned to Llandudno Junction, to their current ground at The Flyover, which had previously been the home of Crosville. The team changed its name again, to Llandudno Junction FC, for the 1999–2000 season.

[razor]

Foras should look into buying the name Cork City Football Club from the court appointed liquidator and forget about this Foras Co-Op nonsense

That is the long term plan.
We obviously don't own the name yet and had to submit a name on the licence application. When we get the name then we'll use it but it won't be this season.

Are Foras happy with using that crest - its very similar to the Cork City one - that is still owned by Tom Coughlan isn't it. Or does copyright not matter in football.

Copyright does matter and it was stressed when we voted for this crest that it didn't infringe any copyright.

[Dunny]

http://blackandwhitetown.squarespace...ropa-spot.html

Dundalk Confident of landing Europa spot


Tuesday, February 23, 2010 at 11:32PM
DUNDALK fully expect to be awarded Cork City's place in the UEFA Europa League following the winding up of the Leesiders yesterday.
The Independent Licensing Committee's refusal on Monday evening to accept Cork's application for a Premier Division license signalled the end for the Rebels in their current guise.
In a statement released last week, Dundalk called on the FAI to nominate them for Cork's place in Europe. The club are expected to release another official statement on the issue today (Wednesday) but sources within Oriel Park say they are confident of receiving the green light from the FAI in the coming days.
Dundalk have also refuted claims made in the Sunday Independent in January which cast doubt over Dundalk's eligibility for European football. The piece stated that Sligo Rovers would be offered Cork's place on the premise that Bit O'Red boss Paul Cook has obtained the required UEFA Pro License whereas Lilywhites boss Ian Foster has not.
Foster is due to complete his A License, a step below the Pro Licence, in March and will then enrol for the higher diploma, which takes a year to complete and consists of a minimum of 240 hours, of which 90 hours are practical. It will be a requirement for League of Ireland Premier Division coaches to hold a Pro-License next season.
The UEFA Club Licensing system, introduced for the 2004-2005 season, states that a club seeking a UEFA club license must have a manager in possession of the UEFA Pro-License.
Foster will not possess that qualification should Dundalk apply for a European place but the club are expected to submit his application for enrolment on the Pro-License course as sufficient evidence of their eligibility to receive a license for European football.
The club's national association, in this case the FAI, can also provide a “recognition of competence” on the manager's behalf. UEFA state that the minimum time period for a “recognition of competence” is five years but there have been instances in recent years where special dispensation has been granted, notably in 2008 when Avram Grant took Chelsea to the UEFA Champions League final despite not holding the relevant 'qualification'.
The issue of holding European games at Oriel Park will also have to be looked in to but speaking on Tuesday, Dundalk FC Communications Manager Colm Crosson conceded that the possibility of that happening is remote.
“We will have to sit long and hard to look at the regulations surrounding that”, he said.
“We would have a fervent desire to hold European games at Oriel Park but we don't want to raise peoples expectations unnecessarily.
“In this economic climate it would be a tall ask to have Oriel Park at the standard required to hold a European game. We would have to see what the logistics are but do we spend 50k to stage possibly just one game. We would have to move heaven and earth and at this late stage it is probably unlikely that it will happen.”
On the domestic front, there is still confusion as to where Dundalk will play their first League of Ireland game of the season. Bray Wanderers will take Cork City's place in the Premier Division and will meet Dundalk on March 5 but at the time of going to press, no official announcement had been made regarding the venue for the game.

[Nedser]

That is the long term plan.
We obviously don't own the name yet and had to submit a name on the licence application. When we get the name then we'll use it but it won't be this season.

Copyright does matter and it was stressed when we voted for this crest that it didn't infringe any copyright.

Is there anything to be read into the fact that the new name (Cork City FORAS Co-op) does not seem to have appeared in any of the official announcements from the LOI/FAI etc? They seem to just refer to FORAS. See here for example:

http://www.loi.ie/index.php/about/press-office/1404-independent-club-licensing-committee-awards-2010-licences

They refer to all other clubs by their actual team names, but just call the new Cork application "FORAS". The susbequent announcement that FORAS got a licence also made no mention of the new team name, but referred to "Friends of the Rebel Army Society (FORAS)".

Seems strange, but I'm happy to accept it could just be more inconsistency in reporting, which actually means nothing.

[yiddo]

I was nearly right, albeit a few months on - Foras should look into buying the name Cork City Football Club from the court appointed liquidator and forget about this Foras Co-Op nonsense

of course FORAS are going to try to the buy the Cork City Football Club name from the court appointed liquidator but as it's going to take a while and certainly won't be finalised by friday week so we've had to settle for the interim name.

[Schumi]

Hopefully no-one from the Cork forum mind me posting this link to the audio from this morning.

Award winning stuff.

http://www.ccfcforum.com/audios/96fm24022010parta.mp3

Part B - Jonathan O'Brien http://www.ccfcforum.com/audios/96fm24022010partb.mp3

Part C - Jim McCarthy, Peter Grey, Tom Coughlan & Jonathan O'Brien http://www.ccfcforum.com/audios/96fm24022010partc.mp3

Part D - Michael O'Connell http://www.ccfcforum.com/audios/96fm24022010partd.mp3

I've just listened to these now, what a complete crowd of nutters! Roddy talking his usual ****e, Coughlan having a nervous breakdown on air, the Foras guy calling him a lunatic and the last guy with delusions of world domination. Unbelievable!