Best WWF/WWE Feud?

[tetsujin1979]

That whole incident from survivor series is in a documentary called "Beyond The Mat",its an excellent doc.Bret punched vince but said "HE RAN INTO MY FIST":D.
Best Fued for me was The Hart Foundation vs Demolition and The Rockers back in the classic days.I voted for Rock Austin as best Fued but only coz both were incredible showmen but they were brutal wrestlers,Austin epescially.
Beyond the mat was more than just the montreal screwjob, it was about the personal lives of wrestlers, what they give up for their job, injuries, and the politics that goes on behind the scenes.
If you want something that deals almost directly with the screwjob, watch Hitman Hart: Wrestling With Shadows - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitman_Hart:_Wrestling_with_Shadows - a documentary crew followed Bret for a year, right up until the match in Montreal, and the immediate aftermath.

[jebus]

I'd recommend Bret Hart's biography to all the wrestling fans on the site. It's a fantastic read that really gives an insight into life on the road in the WWF. It's one of those brutally honest biography's too, so parts are hard to take for those of us who worshipped the man in the ring but it's as good, if not better, than Mich Foley's first book

[sadloserkid]

Bret Hart - Shawn Michaels for me. For having more of a basis in reality than the others. :)

Steamboat/Flair never hit a WWf/E ring.

And as for divas it has to be Sunny even if she did precede the scene somewhat...

[sadloserkid]

Any fued with Hogan is dirt in my eyes because the man couldn't wrestle and made a career out of pandering to morons. Warrior/Savage was pretty good thinking about it. Ditto, albeit further down the prestige ladder, Savage/Crush. Bret Vs. Owen too. Actually probably by favourite ever was the Mr.Perfect/Flair fued.

On an aside Ric Flair has been a walking shambles for at least a decade now.

And other good wrestling books include Edge's and Jericho's efforts.

PS) Jebus, do I still have one of your Foley books? :o

PPS) Anybody read any of Foley's novels? 'Tietam Brown' is outstanding in my less than humble opinion.

[Bluebeard]

Good to hear about the Hart book - must keep an eye out for it. I enjoyed the first Foley autobiog, not so happy with the second, still reading the third as an occasional thing. Heard Tietam Brown was great, but haven't heard baout the other one, can't recall its name. Anyone read it?


Warrior/Savage was pretty good thinking about it.

I'm still astounded that I was the only one to vote for it:eek:

[sadloserkid]

Heard Tietam Brown was great, but haven't heard baout the other one, can't recall its name. Anyone read it?

I'm still astounded that I was the only one to vote for it:eek:

Scooter or Skeeter or something no? :confused:

And if I had my vote back I'd change but there ya go. I'm sure plenty of people said that after the last general election too! :)

[jebus]

If you have one of the Foley books SLK keep it sure, I'll pick it up in paperback if I neEd it again. Foley's 3rd book is better than the 2nd in my opinion, liked the idea of following a wrestling concept from start to finish, especially as I quote enjoyed the Foley-Edge feud and then partnership. Haven't read any of his fiction but I hear good thingS

As for the Warriors feuds, I absolutely loved the feuds with Savage and Rude, top notch heels getting the best out of a super over face is what wrestling should be about (take note Vince McMahon), but Hart vs Austin was my pick, purely because it combined the fiction of the feud with an element of reality (standard faces like Hart getting less cheers than your average heel like Austin), plus their match at WM13 is probably the best I've seen at the 'Grandaddy Of Them All'.

On the point about Flair-Steamboat (and also Sting - Hogan), I realised about a week ago that I had calleD the poll the best WWF/WWE feud and then included WCW matches, my bad :) But Flair has been a shadow of himself for 10 years now alright. His last great run in WCW was mismanaged by Bischoff and never materialised and he's been a walking joke in the WWE since then. Shame because the guy really had it all back in the day.

The WWE has been terrible for about 5 years now (at least) anyway. They haven't been able to replace the likes of Rock and Austin, don't have the supporting main eventers like Taker, Mankind, Angle and Triple H anymore, and don't even have the up and coming stars like they had in the Hardyz, Edge and Christian. When you're main guys are all well past their prime (Triple H, Taker, HBK), not that good (Cena, Batista), or just worthless (JBL) then the product is in trouble. Thank God for Jericho's heel turn is all I can say, but the WWE's main problem (and what will eventually bring the company down) is that they have wiped out the territories that gave their stars from Jericho, Bret and Owen, HBK, Perfect, DiBiase and Jake Roberts their own identity and style. They are grooming all their superstars to be clones of each other, and it's just plain boring

[sadloserkid]

Totally agree with you on the current state of the WWE but I think part of the problem is that they've persevered with washed-up, past it talent at the expense of some of the legitimate up and comers. The likes of Flair, Michaels and The Undertaker should have been put out to pasture years ago to make way for the likes of Edge, Jericho and even Orton. As it is the perception is that the newer crop, who should be established at the top end of the card by now, just don't quite have what it takes to carry the federation as they were denied a gradual evolution to the pinnacle by the refusal of the established names to move out of the way.

The exception, as you note, is the over-rated Cena. I don't mind Batista, in fact I'd go as far as to say that I like the guy. But in the same way that I liked Crush or The British Bulldog or Tatanka, as a mid to upper mid card contender worth the odd push or intercontinental run but not a top end talent.

Similarly I thought that Bradshaw as plain old Bradshaw was a monster heel (or anti-hero I guess) but this JBL nonsense has drained away at his credibility leaving him with nowhere to go really. Turning a heel into a whiny coward can work in the short-term but ultimately almost always sets a character back in terms of the bigger picture.

And I think we're due a few WWE/F threads:

Most under-rated wrestler: Carlitos anybody? Essa Rios if he could have spoken English even a little? Rhyno? Ludwig Borga? Adam Bomb? And obviously Raven.

Worst gimmic: Anybody from mid 90s WWF lower card really let's just give The Goon, Nailz, Duke 'The Dumpster' Grosse, Isaac Yankem and the Godwins as a sampler. I.R.S. deserves a mention too. A damn good wrestler and well able to work the mic, he did a lot with one of the worst characters ever foisted upon somebody who wasn't a complete bum to begin with.

Most over-rated wrestler: Leaving aside the obvious Hogan/Andre type sluggers I've always thought The Rock was a remedial in-ring talent and on the mic was just a verbal big mac, the lowest common denominator every single time...

Best theme song: Warrior obviously, Raven again, Mr.Perfect's was always kinda cool.

Worst indictment of everything to do with wrestling and wrestling fans ever: The Bushwhackers...

Etc etc.

[superfrank]

Most under-rated wrestler:...
Glen Jacobs/Kane. I always thought Glen Jacobs deserved a lot more than he got in the schizo-retard creature that was Kane (even if Isaac Yankem was terrible) but I was still a fan. I think he's a great wrestler, just a pity he never got a big break.

On the current WWE situation, I think the main problem is that there's no more competition with WCW and ECW gone. There's no other major companies where WWE can poach the best and send their rejects. They've slipped into a comfort zone and the company's stagnating. Combined with Vince McMahon's giant ego and the lack of genuine stars, it's rotting.

[jebus]

Most under-rated wrestler: Christian. The guy was, and is, dynamite on the mic, and he's a solid, if not great wrestler. In this day and age he should have beaten Cena for the world title, especially as the fans in 2005 were crying out for him to win the feud

Worst gimmic: Doink the Clown. It started well, but turning him face was a disaster, still it took a lot of talent to pull off a terrible gimmick

Most over-rated wrestler: Eddie Guerrero. Dying seems to have made people believe that he was one of the greats, he wasn't and he was a terrible WWE Champion

Best theme song: Ric Flair, all the way

Worst indictment of everything to do with wrestling and wrestling fans ever: John Cena when he was in homophobic rapper mode

[sadloserkid]

Forgot about Eddie Guerrero but good call Jebus. Was always a journeyman.

[Stevo Da Gull]

Under-rated: Sean Morley, Christian, Booker T, Raven (Hope I don't end up having to include Shad Gaspard, I see potential there!)

Best music: Jericho's original WWF, HHH (various)

[Poor Student]

I voted for Rock Austin as best Fued but only coz both were incredible showmen but they were brutal wrestlers,Austin epescially.

Austin was a capable wrestler if it was needed. After his spinal injury and the development of the 'Stone Cold' character his style degradated into a more basic brawling style. I can remember he challenged Benoit to a match and fought him at his own game in a very technical match and displayed he had far more in his repertoire of moves than you think.

On the decline of WWE's programming quality, the death of the WCW and to a smaller extent the ECW has made the company so complacent. I also think Vince McMahon has become more and more ego maniacal and bizarre on-screen over the years and has served no usefulness on-screen for over 5 years.

[Stevo Da Gull]

Austin was a capable wrestler if it was needed. After his spinal injury and the development of the 'Stone Cold' character his style degrated into a more basic brawling style. I can remember he challenged Benoit to a match and fought him at his own game in a very technical match and displayed he had far more in his repertoire of moves than you think.


I have to agree, considering his injury problems, Austin was as close to the full package as you could have hoped for.

[Block G Raptor]

Hulk Hogan V Andre The Giant was the Daddy of all feuds

[eamo1]

Dynamite Kid was sooooooo underrated.He came from the infamous dungeon.ALL of Benoits,brett harts moves were copied strasight from him.
Most Overrated:Rick Flair,his matches were so boring.William Regal too.On one Smackdown event last year a huge chant went up from the crowd of "boring,boring" during one his(Regals) matches.How did he get so high and so much publicity????This is a great thread.Many of you know alot.I may go to the TNA event in dublin in January,just to see AJ Styles:).

[deecay]

Most under-rated wrestler: Christian. The guy was, and is, dynamite on the mic, and he's a solid, if not great wrestler. In this day and age he should have beaten Cena for the world title, especially as the fans in 2005 were crying out for him to win the feud
Loved the way he spoke

[jebus]

I would recommend any WWE fans sick of their tired and stale act to check out TNA on Bravo sometime, particularly the Bound For Glory PPV they are showing this this Wednesday at 9.

The storylines can be a cluster**** at times (Vince Russo's fault), they end the shows bizarrelly at others (Russo again), but the wrestlers and the in-ring action more than makes up for this. Give me Christian, Kurt Angle, AJ Styles, Sting, Samoa Joe, Curry Man, Tomko, Rhyno, Awesome Kong and Gail Kim over Tips, Taker, HBK, Cena, Batista, JBL etc. any day of the week

[Neish]

Happened to see WWE for the first time in a good few years a couple of weeks ago whilst babysitting my niece in my sister's house. CAn't belive Shawn Micheals is still going the one I watched he was fighting some guy and pulmed him after the match finished they said something like his opponent had insulted Micheals wife and amd micheals furious. I couldn't help but laugh at Micheals atempts to act as if he had lost it.

[jebus]

Flicking through old WWF videos on a bored day and came across some of these :D

King Booker gets mugged by Cryme Time

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Christian destroys Cena in a battle rap

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Kurt Angle wants to make Jesus tap

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