eircom Sponsorship up for Renewal

[Rovers Maniac]

Thats not the league fault, thats the clubs fault .... single out the chairman and treasurer and they are your problem.

Are they more accountable now and have to balance the books and adhere to the rules (i.e. have proper accounts, cant cook the books) Are they learning that they cant get away with it now.

Should they be aiming to run their clubs with a sound financial plan as opposed to reaching the 'group stages of champions league'. Walk before you can run.

The league is times better now matter how hard you try to say other wise.

A plan the plan is S**t or bust for most club they are loosing millions and millions a season with no chance of making a profit and you call that a sound financial plan? That is madness

[sullanefc]

(will have to cut down on my cider intake :))

I was wondering what the problem was. ;)

BTW, I don't think the crowds are down. Maybe pineapple stu could confirm.

[Rovers Maniac]

Over and Corkies chat you tomorrow :)

[jebus]

Over and Corkies chat you tomorrow :)

Why do you keep changing your avatar between clubs?

[sullanefc]

Why do you keep changing your avatar between clubs?

Cos he is a WUM.

[Rovers Maniac]

Why do you keep changing your avatar between clubs?

God Jebus as everything got to be explained !?:) I have a Dublin City one up now to remind people about losing further clubs. By the way the league agm would be very interesting to be at.

[micls]

Crowds are down (will have to cut down on my cider intake :))

Proof?

Does anyone actually have figures for the winter crowds?

Similar to the thread 'Are crowds up or down' there seems to be anecdotal evidence for both sides but no actual figures. Anyone even do a 'badly estimated' attendance watch back then?

From fans at City who were around back then(I wasnt a fan), our basic crowd(and average) is up but we're getting less of the big once of crowds and at the same time less of the tiny crowds.

I accept that crowds at certain clubs may be down, some are up and others are roughly the same. Unless someone can give figures showing that crowds are down overall though I really don't see how things are way worse now.

There has been loads of bad publicity about teams in trouble this season. Why? Imo its because of the wage cap.

Because its actually being enforced.

How long were Shels allowed go on before there was bad publicity and eventual implosion? It may be bad publicity but at least the clubs have a chance to sort themselves out before being the next Shels.

Its making clubs wake up, and not just keep going til they cant any longer.

So Il take the bad publicity now, if it means people running clubs will get the picture and within a few years we may actual have a properly run league.

4(?) clubs have been publicly 'in trouble' this season, what have they done? Kept on spending a la Shels, or started to try to sort it? Letting players go, getting them to cut wages etc etc.

Give it time, clubs will find/learn their place(financially). This is the first year the clubs had to budget and explain how why they hadn't stuck to it, and cut their cloth to suit. Some clubs got it wrong, once they stay in business they can learn from it and not do the same next season. Its easier when you arent allowed gt away with just carrying on.

They sky isn't falling, we'll get another sponsor, clubs will be stopped from buying and paying players until they go bust, we'll keep improving in Europe and maybe even start to try to increase attendances.

[Sheridan]

Why don't you change your name from Ciaran to Voltaire and see if anyone takes you more seriously.

[Dodge]

League of Ireland isn't associated glamourishly by the public so a namechange would indicate change and evolution of the league. Similiar to the Celtic (Magners) League in Rugby.

Because nothing says glamour like a bottle of cider...

[dublinred]

Because most journalists not only don't care about the league, actively want it to fail. You'll notice the majority of these articles aren't written by the excellent young LOI journos such as Dan McDonnell or Mike Scully.

One journo told me before of his editors insturctions on a particular angle. When he refused to write that article he was relegated from the features writer. Large national newspaper too...

Speaking of angles this was on the RTE website


Eircom to end league sponsorship
Thursday, 24 July 2008 17:39

RTÉ Sport has learned that eircom will end their sponsorship of the Irish domestic league at the end of the current season.

The telecommunications group began their relationship with soccer in this country in 2000, sponsoring the national side before extending their commitment by becoming title sponsor of the league shortly afterwards.

Both deals are due to expire this year with the company expected to maintain their relationship with the international side but end that with the domestic game.

The news will come as a further blow to the League of Ireland which has seen many clubs forced to make cut backs already this campaign.

The FAI refused to confirm or deny the news but said in a statement: 'We are currently in discussions with eircom on all aspects of sponsorship. The talks are at an advanced stage and we won't be commenting any further until they have concluded.'


How the f%%k can they come up with the headline and paragraphs 1 , 3 and 4 without taking into account the last bit they wrote.

[TonyD]

Because most journalists not only don't care about the league, actively want it to fail. You'll notice the majority of these articles aren't written by the excellent young LOI journos such as Dan McDonnell or Mike Scully.

Umm. Paul Hyland on the back page of the Herring tonight. Need I say more :rolleyes: What really piddles me off is how the Herring and RTE (I haven't seen how it's been treated by anyone else) can jump all over what they perceive (rightly or wrongly) to be another "Crisis" story about the league. When was the last time they paid anything like the same amount of attention to the actual football going on in this country. I don't think the league has made the back page of the Herring since the registration "crisis" in 2002. I've no objection to the media reporting bad news stories, but I do object when it's the only thing they're interested in.

[dcfcsteve]

Nine pages of hysterical over-reaction and unnecessary speculation dedicated to what was a non-story anyway... :o

Even the off-season doesn't get this bad on Foot.ie.... :eek:

[sligoman]

It is a junk league, don't argue with this man (http://www.kildarecountyfc.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1520).

[John83]

These clubs are budgeting for what they would get through on an avg season in the winter and it is coming up short.
So that's why every Banana Athletic FC in the country is getting short of cash mid season. They didn't budget to pay any more wages until September.

[sonofstan]

Speaking of angles this was on the RTE website


Eircom to end league sponsorship
Thursday, 24 July 2008 17:39

RTÉ Sport has learned that eircom will end their sponsorship of the Irish domestic league at the end of the current season.

The telecommunications group began their relationship with soccer in this country in 2000, sponsoring the national side before extending their commitment by becoming title sponsor of the league shortly afterwards.

Both deals are due to expire this year with the company expected to maintain their relationship with the international side but end that with the domestic game.

The news will come as a further blow to the League of Ireland which has seen many clubs forced to make cut backs already this campaign.

The FAI refused to confirm or deny the news but said in a statement: 'We are currently in discussions with eircom on all aspects of sponsorship. The talks are at an advanced stage and we won't be commenting any further until they have concluded.'


How the f%%k can they come up with the headline and paragraphs 1 , 3 and 4 without taking into account the last bit they wrote.

Paragraph one means a source -or sources- who doesn't want to be named, but who Tony O'D or whoever would trust to know what they're talking about, told them this.

The last bit means that the FAI refused to confirm or deny it. There's no contradiction. I'm pretty sure RTE wouldn't have run with it if they didn't believe it to be true.

[niallsparky]

http://home.eircom.net/content/rte/eircomleague/13337137?view=Eircomnet

:confused:

[A face]

http://home.eircom.net/content/rte/eircomleague/13337137?view=Eircomnet

:confused:

That is just a news feed, it automated, its not like eircom have posted this on their site.

[dublinred]

Paragraph one means a source -or sources- who doesn't want to be named, but who Tony O'D or whoever would trust to know what they're talking about, told them this.

The last bit means that the FAI refused to confirm or deny it. There's no contradiction. I'm pretty sure RTE wouldn't have run with it if they didn't believe it to be true.

As no sources are given should the headline not of included the terms Expected or Rumoured .

I can't understand the hysteris they will be a raft of bookies interested in the sponsorhip.

[Magicme]

These clubs are budgeting for what they would get through on an avg season in the winter and it is coming up short. They are frustrated that just a few clubs what to chase something that is miles off and may never get i.e. group stages of champions league.

What a load of baloney. Any club that is still budgeting on the way things were when we had winter football deserves to go belly up. We have had summer football for years so they have had plenty of time to re-design their budget.

[A face]

As no sources are given should the headline not of included the terms Expected or Rumoured .

I can't understand the hysteris they will be a raft of bookies interested in the sponsorhip.

I think there will be far more than bookies interested. I think 1.2m is a steal considering the exposure the company would get.

To make out that this is a crisis is off the wall and clearly grasping at straws for a story, yet so many people fall for it.

[A face]

What a load of baloney. Any club that is still budgeting on the way things were when we had winter football deserves to go belly up. We have had summer football for years so they have had plenty of time to re-design their budget.

Magicme, to be fair RM hasn't a clue to be honest. He is pulling random points out of anywhere to try and support his angle, and fails to even mention any of the measures put in place in the last few years.

[pete]

Attendances here (http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/2000/aveire.htm) but we all know these are just estimates & like the figures recorded on foot.ie they include more official numbers are time went so recent numbers more accurate.

Eircom way very well pull out but the reporting by RTE in particular has been irresponsible. I think we underestimate the affect of negative publicity as I get "eircom league in crisis" comments when I come into work from people who are little interest in the league. Bad news clearly sells as on RTE website this story is in top 5 sports articles when LOI rarely attracts that attention.

[Rovers Maniac]

Magicme, to be fair RM hasn't a clue to be honest. He is pulling random points out of anywhere to try and support his angle, and fails to even mention any of the measures put in place in the last few years.

A Face i agree with you and Magicme that the crowds were bigger for winter football than summer football. No need to say i don't have a clue as we are one on this subject.

[jebus]

A Face i agree with you and Magicme that the crowds were bigger for winter football than summer football. No need to say i don't have a clue as we are one on this subject.

Why did you change your avatar to Sligo Rovers?

[Rovers Maniac]

Attendances here (http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/2000/aveire.htm) but we all know these are just estimates & like the figures recorded on foot.ie they include more official numbers are time went so recent numbers more accurate.

Eircom way very well pull out but the reporting by RTE in particular has been irresponsible. I think we underestimate the affect of negative publicity as I get "eircom league in crisis" comments when I come into work from people who are little interest in the league. Bad news clearly sells as on RTE website this story is in top 5 sports articles when LOI rarely attracts that attention.

Cheers pete that back up what we have been saying mate here this morniing !

[Magicme]

I never said attendances were higher for winter football so dont be putting words in my mouth Maniac. I just said that any club still working on the winter football basis is silly.

[GavinZac]

Could someone knock the troll on the head please?

[Magicme]

pass the mallet

[Rovers Maniac]

I have to laugh at one or two posters on here if they don't agree with you they ask for you to be banned? Hardly the best way to argue a point?

Look this is very simple Our national broadcaster carried a stroy about The league yesterday it seems like some people on here go bizerk if the league gets a bad news day although we have been on a bad run of it of late granted.

I think the national broadcaster has some sources some of you may not have believe it or not ! Excuse the majority of the people if they believe them instead on a couple of guys on the internet.

[jebus]

I have to laugh at one or two posters on here if they don't agree with you they ask for you to be banned? Hardly the best way to argue a point?

I thought you said yesterday you were a Shamrock Rovers fan of 30 years?

[A face]

A Face i agree with you and Magicme that the crowds were bigger for winter football than summer football. No need to say i don't have a clue as we are one on this subject.


I never said attendances were higher for winter football so dont be putting words in my mouth Maniac. I just said that any club still working on the winter football basis is silly.

Same as Magicme, stop twisting my words. You know thats not what was meant or believed.


Cheers pete that back up what we have been saying mate here this morniing !

Rovers Maniac, can you cop on please. What you have being saying is times removed from what Pete is saying.


Could someone knock the troll on the head please?

Moderation: Rover Maniac, please contribute to the debate without grating off people. This is the last warning you are getting in this thread.

[Rovers Maniac]

Same as Magicme, stop twisting my words. You know thats not what was meant or believed.



Rovers Maniac, can you cop on please. What you have being saying is times removed from what Pete is saying.



Moderation: Rover Maniac, please contribute to the debate without grating off people. This is the last warning you are getting in this thread.

It is not A Face i am saying the same thing Pete is saying here, you're so worked up you can't see what i am saying :(.

This what i am saying Summer Football is great and should stay, bad news day yesterday sensationalised by teh some in the media but there is no way RTE would not run with if they did not believe it was not true. And i would probably believe them over some guys on here who keep saying the league is in brilliant shape. We only seen a couple of weeks ago the PFAI name and shame Galway for bullying there players out of the club. That is a very low ebb for me and the worst thing i have ever seen from any club in 30 years of following the league.

I hope this has not grated you and you are not relaxing with a cup of tea :)

[ifk101]

I thought you said yesterday you were a Shamrock Rovers fan of 30 years?

He did have a Shamrock Rovers avatar yesterday alright. :D

Mobile home must have relocated to Sligo today.

[Rovers Maniac]

I thought you said yesterday you were a Shamrock Rovers fan of 30 years?

Changed to a neutral one now mate i just want a cool one though. :)

[A face]

It is not A Face i am saying the same thing Pete is saying here, you're so worked up you can't see what i am saying.

Do you know what, i'll leave people compare and decide for themselves if what you and Pete were saying was the same thing ;)


This what i am saying Summer Football is great and should stay, bad news day yesterday sensationalised by teh some in the media but there is no way RTE would not run with if they did not believe it was not true. And i would probably believe them over some guys on here who keep saying the league is in brilliant shape. We only seen a couple of weeks ago the PFAI name and shame Galway for bullying there players out of the club.

For the record, I dont agree with any of that but you are actually fully entitled to waffle on believe it or not. If you start causing trouble again i will pull you up on it.


That is a very low ebb for me and the worst thing i have ever seen from any club in 30 years of following the league.

How many clubs have you been following in that time? You have been following 4 clubs in the last two days anyway so i'm guessing you are in the hundreds now :p


I hope this has not grated you and you are not relaxing with a cup of tea :)

Dont have time for tea RM, and even less time to devote to this. Try and behave or it'll be swift action next time, i jusst dont have the time today so it'll have to be route one from here on in.

[Rovers Maniac]

i jusst dont have the time today so it'll have to be route one from here on in.

Understand, that's what i said to the missus last night :)

[superfrank]

TG4 just started saying the big story is that eircom are pulling out at the end of the year. Richie and Charlie are talking about it as if it's only a possibility.