Tipp South & District League 2008/09

[complexman]

From what I have heard it seems that Town's boss McKeaver is not giving any Town youth players a chance in the squad that is why they only had 11 players last week and as far as I am aware they have only had 2 subs for each game. I remember when there used to be 6 or 7 youth players STARTING on the Town team. Think there is too much of a "click" in the Town team and certain players are not allowed to be dropped regardless.
Town's B team got hammered by St.Nicholas last week they must have barely had a team as well.
Town are still wininng fair enough but think dreams of an FAI again this year are not going to come true.

Think that is fair comment but don't know about a "click". Where are the youth players from last season? Something is wrong at the club. I just hope they get sorted but the vibes aren't good

[Town Fan]

Think that is fair comment but don't know about a "click". Where are the youth players from last season? Something is wrong at the club. I just hope they get sorted but the vibes aren't good

Glad complexman you have come around to my views!!
I have being saying this since before the season started. Town are not the great club they once were. McKeever has stayed on to long. Many good players have left the club and whilst I wouldn't take any notice of what somebody from Old bridge has to say, Green Lane man has a point.
McKeever has to go, that is the simple truth. However Town probably wouldn't have a replacement for him. It is very sad to see such a great club in such a mess. I know that they have won four from four but that is only paper over the cracks. Maybe now people will agree with my views that it is not just the manager should go but also the people who kept him in the job!!

[zizu's head]

From what i've been hearing, McKeever seems intent on doing what he wants, and not listening to other peoples' views as regards players. He had asked about different players when he arrived at the club, youth and junior, and seems to have blatantly ignored any and all advice that he was given! Perhaps this is another reason why there are so few youth players coming through to the Junior 'A' team, either he doesn't trust them or he doesn't know enough about them! Granted, the team are still winning on a regular basis in the TSDL, and to a different degree in Munster, but he has failed to win the trophy he was brought in to win, the FAI Junior Cup. Town were winning leagues before he arrived!
Anyway, the fact that they only had 11 players, none of which was a recognised goalkeeper, last Sunday should be very worrying to Town fans. OK, it was only Rosegreen ( no disrespect intended ) and they still managed to win comfortably, but it could have been a disaster. Imagine if they had lost and ended up losing the League by a point or so . . . :o
That would have been hard to take I think!

Consider this, RANT OVER!!!

[GreenLane08]

Glad complexman you have come around to my views!!
I have being saying this since before the season started. Town are not the great club they once were. McKeever has stayed on to long. Many good players have left the club and whilst I wouldn't take any notice of what somebody from Old bridge has to say, Green Lane man has a point.
McKeever has to go, that is the simple truth. However Town probably wouldn't have a replacement for him. It is very sad to see such a great club in such a mess. I know that they have won four from four but that is only paper over the cracks. Maybe now people will agree with my views that it is not just the manager should go but also the people who kept him in the job!!

Glad you agree with me Town fan even tho am a Bridge man Just remember tho where all your good Town players over the years began their palying days......yes you guessed it Old Bridge!! Tony and Paul Scully, Raymie Condon, Oliie Cahill etc.

[GreenLane08]

Think that is fair comment but don't know about a "click". Where are the youth players from last season? Something is wrong at the club. I just hope they get sorted but the vibes aren't good

You never see McKeaver at a youth game or even a B team game to see is there any talent going unnoticed.The only young players that have been given a chance in the A team are sons or nephews of committee members or management......Rory Kiely, Simon Scully , Kenneth Kiely.....anyone agree?? Why have the likes of Decky O'Brein ( who was banging in goals for the B team for 2yrs ), Neil Beckett, Brendan Walsh, Barry Gibbons ( has played a few games not given fair chance though ) and the legend Chris Fla :) not been given a chance?

[Town Fan]

You never see McKeaver at a youth game or even a B team game to see is there any talent going unnoticed.The only young players that have been given a chance in the A team are sons or nephews of committee members or management......Rory Kiely, Simon Scully , Kenneth Kiely.....anyone agree?? Why have the likes of Decky O'Brein ( who was banging in goals for the B team for 2yrs ), Neil Beckett, Brendan Walsh, Barry Gibbons ( has played a few games not given fair chance though ) and the legend Chris Fla :) not been given a chance?

To be fair, McKeever has won a lot at Town, five leagues, two Tipperary Cup’s, a Munster Junior Cup as well as 2 other finals. He also got to 2 FAI Quarter finals. However the amount of players that have left because of him is a statement in itself. Paul Shanahan, Aaron Moroney, Adam McSherry, Ian Cleary, Craig Condon, Tony Davis, Ian Fraher etc.
This is the problem and if I am being honest, the way he carries on shouting and roaring at the players, if I was playing I wouldn’t put up with it.
Town need a new voice and a new manager with a fresh approach. It is a pity they didn’t lose to Rosegreen. That may have woken people up to the fact that he has run his course.
Town should try and get Martin Quinlivan back in the manager’s seat.
I got slagged off for having a go at Town, " don't be dissing your own club". My concerns have proven to be correct

[complexman]

To be fair, McKeever has won a lot at Town, five leagues, two Tipperary Cup’s, a Munster Junior Cup as well as 2 other finals. He also got to 2 FAI Quarter finals. However the amount of players that have left because of him is a statement in itself. Paul Shanahan, Aaron Moroney, Adam McSherry, Ian Cleary, Craig Condon, Tony Davis, Ian Fraher etc.
This is the problem and if I am being honest, the way he carries on shouting and roaring at the players, if I was playing I wouldn’t put up with it.
Town need a new voice and a new manager with a fresh approach. It is a pity they didn’t lose to Rosegreen. That may have woken people up to the fact that he has run his course.
Town should try and get Martin Quinlivan back in the manager’s seat.
I got slagged off for having a go at Town, " don't be dissing your own club". My concerns have proven to be correct


All of this is true and it is a fine record. You can add Stephen O'Neill's name to that list mind you I wasn't sorry to see him pack it in as his best days were long gone.

Green Lane Man- Have you played all your football with the Old Bridge? How many ex town players are there with you, Stephen Kearns, Eoin Leahy, Emmett Ryan, Paul Ryan etc. However, I take your point. It’s just the nature of players in Clonmel to move around but the problem is, the better ones bar one or two, were always at Town. That's not the case now.
I am very worried about Town and I am sure most clubs are thrilled at the club's demise. Still it’s early in the season and there is time to turn it around but I don't think it is going to happen.

Town Man- You do have a personal vendetta against some of Town's committee, Muiris Walsh in particular. That’s not fair. As I said already he is a top, top man. I can bet you anything, if anybody in Clonmel Town is trying to get this problem sorted, it’s Muiris! He is TOP MAN

[GreenLane08]

All of this is true and it is a fine record. You can add Stephen O'Neill's name to that list mind you I wasn't sorry to see him pack it in as his best days were long gone.

Green Lane Man- Have you played all your football with the Old Bridge? How many ex town players are there with you, Stephen Kearns, Eoin Leahy, Emmett Ryan, Paul Ryan etc. However, I take your point. It’s just the nature of players in Clonmel to move around but the problem is, the better ones bar one or two, were always at Town. That's not the case now.
I am very worried about Town and I am sure most clubs are thrilled at the club's demise. Still it’s early in the season and there is time to turn it around but I don't think it is going to happen.

Town Man- You do have a personal vendetta against some of Town's committee, Muiris Walsh in particular. That’s not fair. As I said already he is a top, top man. I can bet you anything, if anybody in Clonmel Town is trying to get this problem sorted, it’s Muiris! He is TOP MAN



I don't play ball anymore due to injury but I did play for Town youths and A team for about 6yrs and then I left Town for The Bridge along with the likes of Emmet Ryan, Paul Ryan, Stephen Kearns, Eoin Leahy etc. There is about 11 ex-Town players with Old Brdige and the main reason they all left was cause of the "click" in the club back then and players having a say in the team like Stephen O'Neill etc. Most players didn't get on with Billy Lambe as well but that all in the past now. Would have likefd to play for Town again and so would other players at The Bridge but McKeaver is the main reason players won't go back.

[Tipperary_Man]

What are Cashel Town like this season? Have heard some talk about them from people at some of the Premier League games I was at and they also had a number of players on the Oscar Traynor last year, would they be good enough to challenge Town and Michael's if they got promoted??

[complexman]

I don't play ball anymore due to injury but I did play for Town youths and A team for about 6yrs and then I left Town for The Bridge along with the likes of Emmet Ryan, Paul Ryan, Stephen Kearns, Eoin Leahy etc. There is about 11 ex-Town players with Old Brdige and the main reason they all left was cause of the "click" in the club back then and players having a say in the team like Stephen O'Neill etc. Most players didn't get on with Billy Lambe as well but that all in the past now. Would have likefd to play for Town again and so would other players at The Bridge but McKeaver is the main reason players won't go back.

Thats intersting that Billy Lamber was a problem and there was a click. I suppose no matter who you get in charge, some people will have a problem. I will admit that Stephen O'Neill had to big an influence in team selections.
I thought Emmett Ryan was going back to Town?
How did you find Muiris Walsh and the rest of the committee

[ronburgundy]

ok could somebody tell me if mckeever is gone or not? and as for ' the demise of the club' talk, thats a bit much. but who would take over? would they look for an experienced outside manager or have town somebody ready within the club to take over? cant think of an obvious replacement myself.

[Town Fan]

ok could somebody tell me if mckeever is gone or not? and as for ' the demise of the club' talk, thats a bit much. but who would take over? would they look for an experienced outside manager or have town somebody ready within the club to take over? cant think of an obvious replacement myself.


I haven't heard and I am sure if he were, it would be known by now. I think Martin Quinlivan would be a good choice but I doubt if Town have a replacement. McKeever will have to go himself, nobody in the club would have the bottle to challenge him. This club is on the verge of collapse. I am judging it by the high standards that have been set.

Complexman- I ain't get into another discussion about any member of the commitee, I have made my feelings known. I haven't seen or heard anything to change my view

[complexman]

I haven't heard and I am sure if he were, it would be known by now. I think Martin Quinlivan would be a good choice but I doubt if Town have a replacement. McKeever will have to go himself, nobody in the club would have the bottle to challenge him. This club is on the verge of collapse. I am judging it by the high standards that have been set.

Complexman- I ain't get into another discussion about any member of the commitee, I have made my feelings known. I haven't seen or heard anything to change my view

I just rang a friend and he confirmed to me that McKeever stepped down last Tuesday night and Paul Scully has been put in temporary charge!!

[Town Fan]

I just rang a friend and he confirmed to me that McKeever stepped down last Tuesday night and Paul Scully has been put in temporary charge!!

I have heard that as well, I will believe when I see it. Mind you a few people had it so there must be some truth in it

[bishbash]

would there not be definite confirmation of it by now had it happened last tuesday night?

[complexman]

would there not be definite confirmation of it by now had it happened last tuesday night?

From what I am told there was a meeting last night of the committee and they tried to change his mind but no joy. McKeever era is over- apparently

[ronburgundy]

just ran into a town player. he said mckeever is def gone. word is of a tipp man who managed in the league of ireland in the last 10 years coming in. is there such a person?

[bishbash]

noel byrne managed kilkenny last year but no chance of it being him. paul scully was caretaker manager of waterford for a period.

[kamikaze]

[quote=Town Fan;1020164] This club is on the verge of collapse. I am judging it by the high standards that have been set.
from my expierience of playing against Town for the past 10 years i think the players attitude,committment,and will to win will be more than enough to carry them through this turbulent period(possible change of manager,and unrest behind scenes)every club has its different ''eras"and this is the end of one and the beginning of another..... and if winning your first 5 league games is on the verge of collapse i wish wy club would hurry up and collapse fairly soon!!!:D:D

[Town Fan]

noel byrne managed kilkenny last year but no chance of it being him. paul scully was caretaker manager of waterford for a period.

If Martin Quinlivan doesn't want it, Paul would be a good choice

[bishbash]

still like to hear official word that he has left. not doubting anyone on here and what they have heard you just know how junior football can be.

[hooper74]

is billy byrne not a contender or bobba kiely or will they look outside of clonmel,paul scully cant play and manage it would not work and what fool keeps asking is emmett ryan going to town,the chap is 3 stone overweight,mckeever probably left hearing he was coming back:) saint michaels will certainly be watching all this with interest

[the only 1]

did alan barry play with st,michaels yesterday

[bishbash]

is billy byrne not a contender or bobba kiely or will they look outside of clonmel,paul scully cant play and manage it would not work and what fool keeps asking is emmett ryan going to town,the chap is 3 stone overweight,mckeever probably left hearing he was coming back:) saint michaels will certainly be watching all this with interest

i'd still like to hear official word that mckeever is gone it's all hear say at the moment.

[bishbash]

did alan barry play with st,michaels yesterday

they had no game yesterday.

[Town Fan]

they had no game yesterday.

Not ture about McKeever, sadly he is still in charge
maybe Muiris Walsh will comment on it on tipp Fm tonight

[complexman]

Not ture about McKeever, sadly he is still in charge
maybe Muiris Walsh will comment on it on tipp Fm tonight

Don't think he will, unless he is asked. Anyway it will be all hurling tonight. Still, I think he is the best person on that show and if people keep having a go at him, he will leave Clonmel Town and from what I know he would be a bigger loss.
Hoepfully he will clarify the McKeever situation, a lot of rumours going around.

[zizu's head]

I was talking to a few people around Clonmel at the weekend and they didn't seem to know anything about McKeever leaving, so it looks like he's still there!

[Town Fan]

I was talking to a few people around Clonmel at the weekend and they didn't seem to know anything about McKeever leaving, so it looks like he's still there!

Heard Muiris Walsh on Tipp FM last night and he confirmed that McKeever had not resigned. So thats the end of that.
Anyway back to matters on the field, was at Celtic v Rosegreen. Celtic looked good against a poor side. Rosegreen and Cahir in big trouble.
Celtic are playing well and could yet be a force, especially in the cups

[bishbash]

Anyway back to matters on the field, was at Celtic v Rosegreen. Celtic looked good against a poor side. Rosegreen and Cahir in big trouble.
Celtic are playing well and could yet be a force, especially in the cups[/quote]

Cant get over injuries though have not had anywhere near a full team so far this season a decent crack at the league is gone as a result and i just hope it doesnt get celtic knocked out of the cups as a result.

[GreenLane08]

Thats intersting that Billy Lamber was a problem and there was a click. I suppose no matter who you get in charge, some people will have a problem. I will admit that Stephen O'Neill had to big an influence in team selections.
I thought Emmett Ryan was going back to Town?
How did you find Muiris Walsh and the rest of the committee


Muiris is a top man and knows his stuff and always travelled to the games and supported the team through thick and thin. Its the other members and so called fans like Paddy Turner ,Tony Scully etc who constantly abuse players from the sidelines. I have heard some awful abuse in my time at big Town games. The worst was when Aaron Moroney was playing for Michaels the abuse he got that day was unreal can't believe he went back to Town after that.
Emmet played a few pre-season games for Town as they lacked a striker but he not fit enough and wouldn't train for Town so he back at The Bridge

[GreenLane08]

Good win at weekend for Old Bridge at home to Cahir, won 4-1, had four different scorers and had 3 players missing. Cahir were awful though and anyone that was at the match would totally agree they could be in trouble this year.
Cahir/Bansha and Rosegreen to go down???

[daz22]

just wondering who would your choice be for promotion in division 1?

[bishbash]

two mile borris

[daz22]

i thought cashel might go up,good young side!!2mile borris havnt seen yet to be honest

[bishbash]

yeah they should go up it will be tight i definitely wouldnt rule out wilderness they are a real handfull i know they lost heavily to cashel but they were missing alot of players that day

[zizu's head]

yeah they should go up it will be tight i definitely wouldnt rule out wilderness they are a real handfull i know they lost heavily to cashel but they were missing alot of players that day

Wilderness Rvs are a very good side.
If they don't go up this season, I think it will only be a matter of time!

[balls]

wilderness borris and cashel are 3 decent sides all the other teams are only average so it will definatly be between these 3 for promotion. poor result for saints today drawing with bansha in the premier

[West Hammer]

Bansha were very unlucky not to beat Saints. Were by far the better side and made all the best chances. Bansha also had 5 players playing who had just finished a county Footbal 1/4 Final an Hour before kick-off!. Also ref was awfull. Hows dues a Tipp Town Ref end up being a ref in a sanits home game???

[hooper74]

i would have to disagree i thought saints missed a bag of goals today however i would agree its a bad result and these draws will kill them,in fairness every ref in the league is poor,town were in cup action won well,did villa beat bridge,who done scoring,any match report?

[daz22]

do you think the league is over as a contest,as the saints have dropped too many points already

[ronburgundy]

cant believe any1 who was at the game culd think that michaels should have won. they were terrible. no spirit in that dressing room. villa won four nil heard a guy they signed from borris got a hat trick, presume its dan graham. and if town dont lose a game to saints then yes, its over already

[Pearoso27]

Saints will have to win all remaining games in the League and then beat Town home and away. Town will have to drop points at some stage so theres always hope. Town are level on points at the moment with Saints but have 2 games in hand. It aint over until the 50 stone woman sing's!

[West Hammer]

I don't know what game Hooper 74 was watching but the Bansha Keeper only had 2 saves to make all game. Saints management spent 20 mins after the game on the pitch ranting at the players about only 4 or 5 training. So Ronburgundy's comment about team spirit is spot on. Think Peake Villa will push Town more then Saints.

[hooper74]

i felt saints had the lions share of ossession but when it came to the final third it broke down,they will have to take 4 points off town now,but paul tobin will be a big boost and a fully fit again paul breen,long winter ahead,barry ryan and david maher scored for villa,who is david maher?

[zizu's head]

Saints management spent 20 mins after the game on the pitch ranting at the players about only 4 or 5 training. So Ronburgundy's comment about team spirit is spot on.

To be fair, this is the same for most teams at the moment. I would say that nearly all the teams in the Premier League are finding it difficult to get large numbers training twice a week, due to work committments, college etc. And it has been like that for some time now.

[Pearoso27]

I don't know what game Hooper 74 was watching but the Bansha Keeper only had 2 saves to make all game. Saints management spent 20 mins after the game on the pitch ranting at the players about only 4 or 5 training. So Ronburgundy's comment about team spirit is spot on. Think Peake Villa will push Town more then Saints.
To be fair Saints always spend about 15 mins on pitch after a game home or away they have a chat or get a bollocking depending on the result followed by a warm down!

[daz22]

do you think directly after a game is the right time to have a go,talk,criticise players??there maybe tempers etc.. raised and things said may not be meant as they would be in the heat of the moment,if it was left until training to talk about what happens and constructively give criticism and recieve feedback,plus it would not be in the publics eye and in a private setting??????

[Pearoso27]

do you think directly after a game is the right time to have a go,talk,criticise players??there maybe tempers etc.. raised and things said may not be meant as they would be in the heat of the moment,if it was left until training to talk about what happens and constructively give criticism and recieve feedback,plus it would not be in the publics eye and in a private setting??????
Maybe i used the word bollocking out of context! Its a good time to discuss the match because its fresh in the mind, i know sometimes after a poor result all you want to do is go into the dressing room and forget about it. At least this way the mistakes that were made can be brought up and hopefully people will learn from them. I SAID HOPEFULLY!:ball:

[Town Fan]

This was on the Clonmel Celtic webpage giving out about fixtures
"After Sunday Celtic will have completed half our league games. That’s right, just over a month into a 9 month league season we have half our games played! Surely the fixture secretary has some questions to answer rather than constantly pandering to the big two. We live in a democracy; there are more than 2 teams in the TSDL so please stop scheduling fixtures to suit these two"

What is there problem. Michaels, Villa, Cahir and Rosegreen have all played 7 games. Bridge and Bansha have palyed six. The reson Town have only played five games is that, the home game against Rock was called off due to Cyril Flaherty's death and Town played in the Munster Junior Cup Preliminary round last Sunday. Also out of there five league games, Town have played only one at home. That is hardly favouritism!!