Republic of Ireland V Colombia - Thursday, 29th May 2008 - Friendly - Craven Cottage

[jmurphyc]

I didn't see the game properly - very busy last night :( - and will watch later but from what I've seen so far I'm very happy with the display. The Colombians overran us for a lot of the game and the scoreline very much flattered us but we were missing all of our first choice central midfielders. Once the Reids and Carsley come back we'll see a lot more of the ball and dominate games more. We were extremely well organised and consequently defended very well. Like others have said, had that game been under Staunton we would have shipped a fair few goals. It's also good practice for our players as there will undoubtedly be times during the qualifiers when we'll be under immense pressure and judging by that display we'd be able to hold out.

Also, as I said, I haven't properly watched the game but could Whelan's poor performance possibly be down to him doing the work of two players (as another poster said) due to Miller's laziness? I remember the first time I watched the Slovakia draw I thought Carsley was brutal but after rewatching it I realised he was having to cover for Ireland a lot.

Finally, it was our first win in almost a year! The good times could be coming back...

[eirebhoy]

Obviously the biggest positive is a clean sheet against quality opposition outside of Dublin so that'll do the confidence of the defenders no harm at all.

I thought Doyle played really well. I think you can guarantee Fulham will put an offer in for him after last nights performance. Keane had a decent game. Keogh and McGeady weren't bad overall. The problem again was central midfield and that should be rectified with Reid, Reid and Carsley to come in. Andy and Steven Reid in central midfield would have made such a difference last night.

I just don't understand how Irish and British footballers are so brainless when it comes to positioning. I remember McGeady had the ball on the left and he stood there for 2 or 3 seconds waiting for someone to offer themselves. Nobody did and he passed it to the opposition. How do our players find it so hard to move into a good position to receive a pass? Thank god for the 2 Reid's.

[newrynyuk]

It was indeed a great night out. Lovely little ground is Craven Cottage, definitely should consider playing more games there so long as it isn't pouring down and the tube station isn't shut by a gas leak again. Well done the Colombian fans for packing out their end and generating a bit of atmosphere. But for some poor finishing and excellent Kiely saves, Colombia would have easily won by 3 or 4.

Il Trap is clearly making a difference. D'ya see in the 2nd half when, right in front of him, O'Shea failed to control a ball and it ran out of play. Instead of harranging John, Trap was encouraging him and geeing him on and O'shea's performance picked up as the game went on. Wouldn't have happened under Staunton or Kerr. Roll on Oslo.

[jmurphyc]

Actually another thing which I noticed was that the atmosphere was far superior to the Unity cup games in London. Although there's probably a few reasons for that with the stadium being more central and the dawn of a new era. Anyway, well done to those that made it over.

[zenokelly]

I thought Doyle played really well. I think you can guarantee Fulham will put an offer in for him after last nights performance. Keane had a decent game.

Maybe you saw something that I didn't because I thought he had absolutely no confidence although he did work hard.

The 2 main points about last night:

Miller has been given his chance and shouldn't be near the team for the qualifiers.

And Doyle should not be anywhere near an automatic starter in September, imo he's been poor for the best part of 6 months now.



Can't wait until the two Reids finally play together in the centre of the park supported by McGeady and Duff either side come September, touch wood there's no injuries.

The game last night was good but in reality only 5 or 6 of them players will start in September. Il Trap!

[eirebhoy]

Il Trap is clearly making a difference. D'ya see in the 2nd half when, right in front of him, O'Shea failed to control a ball and it ran out of play. Instead of harranging John, Trap was encouraging him and geeing him on and O'shea's performance picked up as the game went on.
Just out of interest, was the dugout on the teams right side or left side in the first half? I felt O'Shea and Keogh had much more of the ball in the first half while McGeady and Delaney really came into the game in the 2nd half. O'Shea and Keogh were pretty anonymous in the 2nd half. Either they all played better beside the dugout or the all played better when they were on the other side of the pitch. :)

[paul_oshea]

No, missed the goal cos you stayed too long in Brogans :D


You're obviously not the average punter. :rolleyes:

26 mins from pub to ground was about right.

I can't say either way. I ended up going way too far on the way back so ran back to brogans, but in all that took me 20 mins!! I got lost on the way down.

[beautifulrock]

Just out of interest, was the dugout on the teams right side or left side in the first half? I felt O'Shea and Keogh had much more of the ball in the first half while McGeady and Delaney really came into the game in the 2nd half. O'Shea and Keogh were pretty anonymous in the 2nd half. Either they all played better beside the dugout or the all played better when they were on the other side of the pitch. :)

rightside from Irelands point of view, so O Shea was beside Trapper first half. I will say one thing, he has some whistle, I could hear it at the back of the stand, no excuse for the players not to here it I would say.

[FarBeag]

I really don’t think Miller was as bad as some are making out. Granted he did go missing at times but did improve on Saturday’s performance. I don’t think Whelan will make it though and it’s a pity that he did not bring on Hoolahan earlier or give Garvan a run. I was happy enough with Doyle but he needs to have some luck next season so as to get his confidence back. Delighted that Delaney has silenced some of his critics with his two solid performances and with a little more experience he will be even better. He is actually taller than I thought and towers above the rest of the lads. I love Kiely and he is an excellent organiser as well as keeper. Never stopped shouting out instructions and acknowledged the crowds appreciation of him on several occasions.

I liked the atmosphere last night and I hope they play a few more friendllys in London.

[beautifulrock]

I can't say either way. I ended up going way too far on the way back so ran back to brogans, but in all that took me 20 mins!! I got lost on the way down.

Fulham Broadway was always going to be a decent jog to the pitch, the trains were out of order for a while in the evening as well so that didnt elp, the Columbians were all in place well before kick off and some good looking ladies on view for sure

[paul_oshea]

I just don't understand how Irish and British footballers are so brainless when it comes to positioning. I remember McGeady had the ball on the left and he stood there for 2 or 3 seconds waiting for someone to offer themselves. Nobody did and he passed it to the opposition. How do our players find it so hard to move into a good position to receive a pass? Thank god for the 2 Reid's.

Exactly what i was thinking we have been like that for years now, the baltic teams have this down to a T. In fairness a lot of english clubs do play like this.

rock, I saw none unfortunately. That poor fella though he was thinking to himself at half time "i knew i shouldn't have got her a ticket, what the hell did i bring her for!":D

There was a huge queue outside before I got there. I was there late enough but the game wasn't starting till 8.10 I arrived at about 7:55, i queued for 15 mins and there was still huge queues outside. Id say some people missed 20 - 25 mins of the first half.

hoops: I left brogans at about 7.35 so I thought I was in time but i got us lost thinking i knew a shortcut :D

Great night afterwards in brogans though I shouldn't have gone into the west end after that....

[Denis The Red]

Good to have Dean Kiely back, always thought he was a decent 'keeper but unfortunately his time happens to be around the same as Shay's. Hopefully he stays on to fight for the no. 1 shirt.
Defence was better last night, particularly McShane who's fine if he dosen't have to think too much.
The less said about the midfield the better, early days for Whealan, but Miller is not international standard.
Btw did anyone see Trappatoni's gesture at he end when he gave the thumbs up to someone and, if my lip reading is any good, said "bravo", not sure who to, the man's a class act.

[Paddy Garcia]

Kiely was excellent.

McShane showed (again) that he cannot do a job for us. If Columbia had capitalised on his terrible pass, that would be yet another goal he has cost us. Is there no end to it!

I was surprised at Doyle's lack of pace, he was very very slow. There were a couple of times that he should have broken through, but was well beaten for pace when he had a good headstart. Challenged well in the air.

Keogh failed to impose himself.

Keane played well, but nonetheless managed to attract a little bit of abuse. Truly amazing given the donkeys we had on the field.

Delaney I hope has potential, he made quite a few errors.

McGeady impressed.

The midfield looked very light & would be found wanting against a half decent pairing.

[Razors left peg]

Kiely was excellent.

McShane showed (again) that he cannot do a job for us. If Columbia had capitalised on his terrible pass, that would be yet another goal he has cost us. Is there no end to it!

I was surprised at Doyle's lack of pace, he was very very slow. There were a couple of times that he should have broken through, but was well beaten for pace when he had a good headstart. Challenged well in the air.

Keogh failed to impose himself.

Keane played well, but nonetheless managed to attract a little bit of abuse. Truly amazing given the donkeys we had on the field.

Delaney I hope has potential, he made quite a few errors.

McGeady impressed.

The midfield looked very light & would be found wanting against a half decent pairing.

McShane was very good last night, credit has to be given where it is due

[Maroon 7]

McShane did pretty well in fairness but you always feel a big clanger is just around the corner with him. Not a good trait for a centre half to have.

[Paddy Garcia]

We need to be realistic. He was right in front of me when he passed the ball directly to an opponent. Columbia almost scored from this error - they will kick themselves that they failed to. Kiely saved the situation. Also the ball seemed to get stuck under his feet on a couple of occasions.

Against that a brave performance, particularly in the air.

The problem remains there is always at least least one goal in him for the opposition.

[Greenforever]

Agreed that McShane is currently a weak link, but I believe that he has potential and with the guidance of Trap Im confident that he will improve considerably and form a great partnership with Dunne. He will probably have to leave Sunderland and maybe a move to Newcastle under Keegan is just what he needs. Keegan worked wonders with Dunne.

[Irish_Praha]

He will probably have to leave Sunderland and maybe a move to Newcastle under Keegan is just what he needs. Keegan worked wonders with Dunne.

Keegan didn't really help Dunne with his game more his attitude i.e. taking his training and diet more seriously and not going out on the lash, which in turn resulted in better fitness and improved performances.

I don't think anyone can question McShanes attitude, he just needs to learn how to improve his defending and Keegan is not the man to help him with that. He needs a season or two playing beside a senior CB with good positional sense. Then we will see if he can learn to cut out his mistakes or not.

[paul_oshea]

did ye notice oherily say mcshane had a good game for a change?! :D

[Greenforever]

Keegan didn't really help Dunne with his game more his attitude i.e. taking his training and diet more seriously and not going out on the lash, which in turn resulted in better fitness and improved performances.

I don't think anyone can question McShanes attitude, he just needs to learn how to improve his defending and Keegan is not the man to help him with that. He needs a season or two playing beside a senior CB with good positional sense. Then we will see if he can learn to cut out his mistakes or not.

point taken about keegan, too much drink thursday, brain still not functiong 100%, but yes does probably need a move.

[Scooby Doo]

did ye notice oherily say mcshane had a good game for a change?! :D

did ya notice trap praising john delaney's performance at the post match interview! :D

[Stuttgart88]

A bit late getting my few cents worth on Thursday's game but for what it's worth I thoroughly enjoyed it. Great crowd, great traditional footy ground and a very entertaining game right from the start.

I really think that a big modern ground like Croker "tricks" the supporters' minds into thinking they're only there to be entertained whereas when you're so close to the action in a smaller ground it makes the supporter feel like he has much more of a role to play.

Watching Columbia up close just reinforces my view that modern international footballers are taller, bigger, more athletic and have at least as much skill as earlier generations, yet Irish midfielders rarely fit the bill in this regard. Someone hurry up the progress of Garvan and O'Toole please! Andy Reid's speed of thought allows him to be less athletic than many but in the absence of both Reids it's hard to see a quick solution to the problem. Carsley just about cuts it but I have reservations. Joey O'Brien might be the next to step up maybe.

Almost every game I've seen us play in the last 3 or 4 years has prompted me to think we'd be an ok team if we just had a competitive central midfield. It's like having good backs and a good pack in rugby but having ponderous and inaccurate half backs. Miller and Whelan didn't cut it at all again, though in fairness I thought Miller showed more willingness to get on the ball and use it in the second half.

McShane had a much better game but I still wouldn't start him ahead of O'Shea at CB, or Andy O'Brien.

I thought O'Shea had fine game but still he has his critics.

Kiely was superb obviously. What a boost to have him back.

I wonder has Delaney, who impressed me again, has done enough to keep the left back spot. Unless Finnan or O'Shea is played out of position there he looks the best option at the moment.

Speacial credit to Kevin Doyle - worked his socks off with poor service and generally did very well. No fault to Keogh at all, a game enough effort in a silly role for him. As said above, it'd have been a great chance to see Lawrence in that role. McGeady did well enough, defended well and caused trouble but his final ball wasn't convincing. He's great at drawing fouls in dangerous areas but our frees weren't great again.

With a better CM pairing there's definitely signs of encouragement.

[tetsujin1979]

The big thing for me in the game was the turnaround in play following half time. We went from looking weak and panic stricken, to somewhat controlled and able to deal with the Colombians. Obviously Trap saw what was going wrong and told the lads what to do, and it worked. I don't think that would have happened under any of the previous regimes, Jack would have played his own game, and to hell with the opposition, Mick would have lumped it long, Kerr would have realised plan A wasn't working and bring on Doherty with 10 minutes to go, and let's not try to think what Stan would have done.
He namechecked McGeady a few times in the run up to the game, and from what I saw in the second half, he's trying to get the best out of young Aiden.
The central midfield was weak again, even after Saturday, but I think that reflects more on Miller (the senior of the 2) than Whelan. Although I don't think either will be in the first choice starting XI come the autumn, it'll be 2 from Steven Reid, Lee Carsley and Andy Reid.
A pity Duff had to bow out of the game so late on, Serbia was the best I've seen him play all season and I wanted to see what another week with the new management team would do for him. My dad has awful sinusitis from time to time, so anyone who says it's no reason to miss a game has no idea what they're talking about. Keogh again showed he can do a job, but is no winger. Strange then that the likes of Lawrence missed out on the squad, and Hoolahan came into the game so late. On the other hand, it shows faith from Il Capo that he has faith in his selections.
Kiely was MOTM, and by some distance. He kept us in it in the first half, and I didn't notice him as much in the second, although he was on the other side of the pitch to me. On this evidence, Given will have some competition for the number 1 jersey when the qualifiers start.

[seanfhear]

I am pretty sure liam lawrence is having an operation to clear up an injury for next season otherwise i am confident that he would have been included in the squad after a supperb season in the championship for stoke

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