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Leixlipred has a very simplistic notion of life. Some people have work commitments they can't get out of. Some people have commitments for the rest of the week, and, as blobby says with a family something has to give.
Why wasn't I there? Well with a sick wife and three young kids I decided my priorities lay elsewhere. I guess I'm just not "hardcore".
[EDIT] Actually I know I'm not hardcore. I was at the last home match. I will probably be at the next home match. These days that's as far as my commitment goes.
Martinho II
21/05/2008, 6:04 PM
Yeah he stepped down himself, posted on our own site (http://www.waterford-united.ie/nextpage.php?subaction=showfull&id=1211360104&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&) this morning. Don't know what to think about that to be honest.
sorry to see seanie francis go!legend down our part of the country for the cup winning goal five years ago!!
best of luck to him in his future plans...:)
LeixlipRed
21/05/2008, 6:10 PM
I made me young lad go though....and then he got in free. Figure that one out.
He got in free?? Ffs, what a joke. The first thing Shels did when we were in the **** was to suspend the free list. No one got free entry into the ground. Waterford aren't exactly helping themselves with that sort of rubbish.
LeixlipRed
21/05/2008, 6:13 PM
Leixlipred has a very simplistic notion of life. Some people have work commitments they can't get out of. Some people have commitments for the rest of the week, and, as blobby says with a family something has to give.
Why wasn't I there? Well with a sick wife and three young kids I decided my priorities lay elsewhere. I guess I'm just not "hardcore".
[EDIT] Actually I know I'm not hardcore. I was at the last home match. I will probably be at the next home match. These days that's as far as my commitment goes.
As I said, if you have family commitments that's fine. But beyond that you should be making every effort to go to games. Otherwise you might not have a club to support. And I don't have a perfect attendance record myself but I make every effort to get to the maximum amount of games I can a season.
pineapple stu
21/05/2008, 6:21 PM
The first thing Shels did when we were in the **** was to suspend the free list.
I thought it was to sign Alan Moore, Joey Ndo and Curtis Fleming.
thischarmingman
21/05/2008, 7:47 PM
I thought it was to sign Alan Moore, Joey Ndo and Curtis Fleming.
Buuurrrrnn!
higgins
21/05/2008, 11:59 PM
Lads!! Have you really let your assistant manager go to save on money for players ???
Is this serious ?
What next, will the physio only go to every second game? Do the players wash their own jerseys ? Sure why not sack the manager and get one of the players to fill in the team sheet as player manager!
Really,,, what way is that to deal with a financial mess ?
You don't have a home game now for weeks. If you are trying to avoid the 65% rule you should be looking towards a few of the players as soon as the transfer window comes around.
I can't believe you're letting the assistant manager go to save money!
Crazy
LeixlipRed
22/05/2008, 7:49 AM
I thought it was to sign Alan Moore, Joey Ndo and Curtis Fleming.
Yes, you are right. At the start of the 2007 season we signed all those players. Look back through my post history on here to see that I was saying since the day I joined this site that we were in trouble financially. I was talking about when Ollie was finally forced to step aside and others were in charge that we started to put silly things like that behind us. I'm not taking the moral high ground. But you are as you do love to do.
bigmac
22/05/2008, 9:02 AM
As I said, if you have family commitments that's fine. But beyond that you should be making every effort to go to games. Otherwise you might not have a club to support. And I don't have a perfect attendance record myself but I make every effort to get to the maximum amount of games I can a season.
In fairness, it's not the die-hard go to every game fans that will keep the club alive - they don't even consider that they have a choice whether to go or not. The people we need to get in the gate are the ones who aren't sure whether to watch Eurovision or football for the night - we need to convince them that watching Utd is a better use of their time than watching dustin being pushed around a stage in a shopping trolley.
You have a valid point about people who care about the club making as many games as possible though, but I'd hate to see a situation where people are put off the club by attitudes from other fans - you know the ones who assume that unless you go to every home, away and reserve game you don't have a right to support the club. Waterford need to (somehow) create a sense of ownership of the club within the city and surrounding area, quite frankly it's embarrassing that the biggest crowd of the year in the RSC turned up for a junior game.
stann
22/05/2008, 12:51 PM
Lads!! Have you really let your assistant manager go to save on money for players ???
Is this serious ?
What next, will the physio only go to every second game? Do the players wash their own jerseys ? Sure why not sack the manager and get one of the players to fill in the team sheet as player manager!
Really,,, what way is that to deal with a financial mess ?
You don't have a home game now for weeks. If you are trying to avoid the 65% rule you should be looking towards a few of the players as soon as the transfer window comes around.
I can't believe you're letting the assistant manager go to save money!
Crazy
Why don't you read the story before going off on one? Just a suggestion. Might save your typing finger.
Sean Francis stepped down of his own accord. It was an unsolicited offer from a very genuine guy made at a time when he knew more than most how much the club were struggling. One of the current backroom team will step up to take the assistant manager role. We're not going to not have one.
Quite how you've made it out to somehow be the club's decision I can't fathom, but never fear, your incredulity is duly noted and passed on to them. I don't know how they've endured this long without it.
pineapple stu
22/05/2008, 4:26 PM
Yes, you are right. At the start of the 2007 season we signed all those players.
So "The first thing Shels did when we were in the ****" was at the start of 2007?
This is exactly why posters like yourself and higgins shouldn't be allowed on this thread.
LeixlipRed
23/05/2008, 12:57 PM
So "The first thing Shels did when we were in the ****" was at the start of 2007?
This is exactly why posters like yourself and higgins shouldn't be allowed on this thread.
Yeh and you should go back to your sad little life telling people what they can and cannot do. You ignore the fact that in my next post I admitted we were in financial trouble long before that. But of course it's convenient to ignore that for the sake of a dig at Shels. The sooner we're back in the PD beating you guys 3 times a year the happier I'll be.
Mental Man
23/05/2008, 1:12 PM
Yeh and you should go back to your sad little life telling people what they can and cannot do. You ignore the fact that in my next post I admitted we were in financial trouble long before that. But of course it's convenient to ignore that for the sake of a dig at Shels. The sooner we're back in the PD beating you guys 3 times a year the happier I'll be.
That last post i think just summed up the mentality and age of this shels supporter, so sad when you retort to little and immature digs like that. :D
bigmac
23/05/2008, 4:00 PM
The sooner we're back in the PD beating you guys 3 times a year the happier I'll be.
What's going to be the result of the 4th game? :confused:
higgins
24/05/2008, 12:23 PM
Thanks for the mention Stu!!
Wish I was you
Regards
Higgins
higgins
24/05/2008, 12:25 PM
Quite how you've made it out to somehow be the club's decision I can't fathom, but never fear, your incredulity is duly noted and passed on to them. I don't know how they've endured this long without it.
The story was he offered to resign.
I imagine the Board of Management said,, yeah ok ??
Was he there in the first place for a reason or just making up numbers???
If he was doing a good job and worth the money why get rid of him!!! You think this won't have an effect on your team?
Student Mullet
24/05/2008, 12:30 PM
Yeh and you should go back to your sad little life telling people what they can and cannot do. You ignore the fact that in my next post I admitted we were in financial trouble long before that. But of course it's convenient to ignore that for the sake of a dig at Shels. The sooner we're back in the PD beating you guys 3 times a year the happier I'll be.
You'll probably get half your wish. We'll likely be playing you 3 times a season in the first division next year.
higgins
24/05/2008, 12:58 PM
How great it would be to swap places in the Premier with UCD.
and you can't complain about us doing anything wrong in the process :)
although I'm sure some ill try!
Student Mullet
24/05/2008, 1:04 PM
How great it would be to swap places in the Premier with UCD.
and you can't complain about us doing anything wrong in the process :)
although I'm sure some ill try!
Getting promoted is good fun, sending down a team you don't like would only be the cherry on the cake.
thischarmingman
24/05/2008, 2:13 PM
How great it would be to swap places in the Premier with UCD.
I'd have UCD in the league over Shels any day of the week.
blue til i die
24/05/2008, 3:14 PM
players will be leaving in the transfer window, and some players last week took pay cuts, just goes to show there's more to soccer than money!
dcfcsteve
25/05/2008, 12:05 AM
I'd have UCD in the league over Shels any day of the week.
You would...?!?! :confused:
Crazy talk. I've never seen a UCD fixture cause the 'full-house' signs to go up at the Brandywell. Or do much for the League's UEFA co-efficient....
Buile Shuibhne
25/05/2008, 12:15 AM
players will be leaving in the transfer window, and some players last week took pay cuts, just goes to show there's more to soccer than money!
So will that have an impact on Waterford's perfomances and chance's of promotion?
players will be leaving in the transfer window...
That's not been confirmed yet, though it may well happen. It's also probable, in at least one case, that it was going to happen anyway.
So will that have an impact on Waterford's ... chance's of promotion?
Probably not as much of an impact as Anto Flood! :D
pineapple stu
25/05/2008, 8:49 AM
You would...?!?! :confused:
Crazy talk. I've never seen a UCD fixture cause the 'full-house' signs to go up at the Brandywell. Or do much for the League's UEFA co-efficient....
Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.
We've only lost one in four in Europe; if every had as good a record as us, the coefficient would be better.
Buile Shuibhne
25/05/2008, 9:35 AM
Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.
We've only lost one in four in Europe; if every had as good a record as us, the coefficient would be better.
Shels are not drawing down any money this year from the sale of Tolka Park.
Costs are being entirely funded from gate receipts, fundraising and sponsorship.
On what basis and knowledge of how Shels are now doing their business, can you say we are 'still a disaster in the making'?
thischarmingman
25/05/2008, 9:48 AM
You would...?!?! :confused:
Crazy talk. I've never seen a UCD fixture cause the 'full-house' signs to go up at the Brandywell. Or do much for the League's UEFA co-efficient....
Just because we'd sell an extra few tickets one or two weekends is no reason to have them back. We survived last season without them and it looks like we might just manage it again this season. Shelbourne effectively cheated us out of a treble a couple of years ago. There's rivalries and then there's just breaking the rules. If I want rivalries I'll look to St. Pats, Bohemians (the Oman/Brennan/Fenlon/top 3 battle is more than enough to give that one spice), even Finn Harps, but not Shelbourne.
Tough luck, they deserve to be where they are at the minute. Give me UCD, a well run, decent footballing side with a talent for unearthing talented youngsters and sound financial sense over the club prepared to risk all on one mad throw of the dice. As for Europe, I'd rather our teams got gradually better over time, even if it is two steps forward and one back at the moment, than one mad dash that inevitably ends in tears. Surely you would prefer if our European advances were built on solid, sustainable foundations rather than a one-off match against Deportivo?
pineapple stu
25/05/2008, 9:53 AM
Madness, TCM.
Throw me an Alan Moore for this headache I have trying to disagree with your post.
higgins
26/05/2008, 5:37 PM
Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.
Do you get off on this telling lies about Shelbourne ?
Did you have the box of hankies beside you as you typed that ???
'continue to overspend from the sale of the ground' :confused:
We sold the ground (very stupid idea), we spent most of the money we are likely to receive from that deal (very stupid idea), BUT we're not spending any more of that money!
In fact on top of this years running costs at the club which will be funded entirely from this seasons income we have also managed to service some of the debts from before the 2007 season. If anything, our overall debt is reducing!!
100% of this years income is not going into running the club, it's a mixture of running the club and servicing old debt.
How can you say that's overspending ?
thischarmingman
26/05/2008, 9:16 PM
How can you say that's overspending ?
Force of habit?
pineapple stu
26/05/2008, 9:17 PM
Right back at ya! (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=947343&postcount=107) :p
Buile Shuibhne
26/05/2008, 10:41 PM
Pineapple Head can't answer the questions and chooses not to respond to the real facts.
higgins
26/05/2008, 11:36 PM
Is that your answer Stu ?
dcfcsteve
27/05/2008, 12:13 AM
We've only lost one in four in Europe; if every had as good a record as us, the coefficient would be better.
LMFAO :o
dcfcsteve
27/05/2008, 12:21 AM
We've only lost one in four in Europe; if every had as good a record as us, the coefficient would be better.
LMFAO :D
pineapple stu
27/05/2008, 4:03 PM
LMFAO :o
LMFAO :D
You on the wacky again?
I didn't say anything about drawing all the other games. Three wins in every four would be good. ;)
Though need I point out how abysmal Derry's record is, one good season apart?
Pineapple Head can't answer the questions and chooses not to respond to the real facts.
Irony defined
dcfcsteve
27/05/2008, 4:48 PM
You on the wacky again?
I didn't say anything about drawing all the other games. Three wins in every four would be good. ;)
Though need I point out how abysmal Derry's record is, one good season apart?
UCD - Ireland's rock in the stormy seas of European football.
Please keep goin' Stu - there's nothing on TV to entertain me tonight after the Pats game....... :D
higgins
27/05/2008, 7:09 PM
Can't be long to go now before Stu comes along with the answer to the above question.
That's post number 130 Stu if you need reminding.
You miss to have missed it along with another couple I see!
garyderry
27/05/2008, 10:10 PM
We sold the ground (very stupid idea)
as a matter of interest, what is the long term plan for a ground to play in if the ground is sold?
its a real pity what once was the best ground in the league, is going to be lost to the league.
higgins
10/06/2008, 1:38 PM
Yep, let's have a team who are continuing to overspend from the sale of their ground (and who would have to spend even more if they go up) and who are still a disaster in the making two years after they should have learnt; that'll do good.
Well Stu
Any response ?
Still waiting to be filled in on the above facts...
Could you have possibly came on here and posted something without knowing the full facts ? A similiar situation maybe to most of the other nonsense you have come out with about Shelbourne.
I'm still interested in hearing how you came to the over spending conclusion
superfrank
10/06/2008, 2:20 PM
as a matter of interest, what is the long term plan for a ground to play in if the ground is sold?
its a real pity what once was the best ground in the league, is going to be lost to the league.
Who was it sold to?
If developers then it'll probably be another row of houses. Maybe it'll be called Tolka Row?
higgins
10/06/2008, 3:42 PM
There already is a Tolka Row!
and of course it was to developers
GavinZac
10/06/2008, 6:00 PM
An Ollie Byrne Memorial Estate would be fitting.
higgins
18/06/2008, 11:02 AM
Right Stu,,,
copy and paste of my post in the Drogheda thread as they thought it was being hijacked!!
any answers ??
What way would you like me to prove you lied ?
I know what's going on at Shelbourne this year and can tell you there's no overspending. You stated it as if it were a fact. A fact I know not to be true.
You have a twisted way of looking at things.
It's ok for you to state that Shelbourne are continuing overspending on the 25th May 2008. Yet I've to just come on here and prove they are not ???
If I said someone on here had 5 nipples, would he/she have to come on and prove that they don't ? Your logic is crazy!
Please back up your statement with regards to Shelbourne.
I know you told a lie so can confidently post here and call you a liar.
Higgo
18/06/2008, 11:55 AM
An Ollie Byrne Memorial Estate would be fitting.
I find this comment extremely inappropriate, bordering on offensive in fact...a totally pointless 'contribution' to the debate/argument.
gotaroundbetter
06/11/2009, 5:27 PM
The more I hear about this so called 'crisis' the more annoyed I get. Waterford seem to be crying wolf in the hope that someone puts their hand into their pocket and pays for their €7,000 a week team!
It makes the league sound like a joke when you read yet again that a club could go out of business!! There's no need for Waterford to come out with this nonsense. All clubs struggle to meet the weekly costs of running a club. When the money goes the costs are slashed and you get on with running the club. You don't come out with bad news stories that make the league look like a joke.
The facts here seem to be that Waterfords running costs are 10k a week with wages making up about 7k of this, is that correct ?
They don't have any existing debt.
Transfer window is only a month or two away.
Why the song and dance ?
Worst case would be you run up debts of 30 or 40k before you cut most of that 7k wage bill. With home gates and assuming you have some cash there already it may not be that much of a debt.
Surely a case of Always the same sometimes..... still at least were not the only ones making the league look a joke ( apologies in advance to the genuine supporters of the respective clubs in trouble).
Celdrog
06/11/2009, 6:16 PM
Worst case would be you run up debts of 30 or 40k before you cut most of that 7k wage bill. With home gates and assuming you have some cash there already it may not be that much of a debt.Surely a case of Always the same sometimes..... still at least were not the only ones making the league look a joke ( apologies in advance to the genuine supporters of the respective clubs in trouble).I think I see why you have so few posts - your point is a bit lost, 15 months after the original thread.:D
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