Irish cup semi on saturday

[David]

Is it possible they could have met up with fellow hoolies who were already preparing the attack after the match?

It's not Linfield FC's fault. However, more could still be done by the club (I'm aware of all the efforts currently being undertaken) to stamp out sectarianism. I'd say the same for Cliftonville and Shamrock Rovers as well to be honest. I dread the day Rovers and Linfield meet in the Setanta Cup.

Such as?

[pól-dcfc]

Such as?


Banning all National flags.

Are paramilitary flags allowed in Windsor? If they are then ban them. If not then the people waving them should be taken out of the ground immediately and banned for life.

[pól-dcfc]

Unfortunately, there are signs that the Setanta might not be around long enough for us to find out.

Care to expand? I haven't heard anything about it being wound up. Isn't there a contract in place for another good few years?

Rovers could well have qualified by next year.

[David]

Banning all National flags.

Are paramilitary flags allowed in Windsor? If they are then ban them. If not then the people waving them should be taken out of the ground immediately and banned for life.

Why ban all national flags? To do so would cause uproar amongst our supporters and rightly so. People all over the world fly their national flag at games so why can we not do the same? There is nothing sectarian about a national flag and if someone chooses to take offence I would suggest it is they who have the problem and not the person with the flag.

I would imagine a paramilitary flag would be removed at Windsor, it certainly should be.

[Krstic]

Have to agree with David here, the banning of National flags is a load of ********.
It's got so bad now at the Brandywell they made Sligo Rovers fans take an Irish Tricolor down last year.
Now who at the Brandywell would have been offended by Sligo fans waving a Tricolor with SRFC on it??

[CvilleRovers]

no flags should be banned imo, utter pc ****** when flags start getting banned
also dont see why if a linfield rovers game came about that away fans would not be allowed travel :confused: that would make a complete joke out of the competition

[David]

Rovers tried banning us before. ;)

[pól-dcfc]

Why ban all national flags? To do so would cause uproar amongst our supporters and rightly so. People all over the world fly their national flag at games so why can we not do the same? There is nothing sectarian about a national flag and if someone chooses to take offence I would suggest it is they who have the problem and not the person with the flag.

I would imagine a paramilitary flag would be removed at Windsor, it certainly should be.

There is no point trying to have a reasoned conversation with you David.

The UVF flag the other week at the Cliftonville game wasn't removed. (Please tell me you're not the same David from our forum who was going on about it being a 1912 UVF flag and therefore no offensive - cos that is absolute bull****).

In any normal country in the world, flags would be no problem. Unfortunately in the North they are seen as divisive and inflammatory.

[David]

There is no point trying to have a reasoned conversation with you David.

The UVF flag the other week at the Cliftonville game wasn't removed. (Please tell me you're not the same David from our forum who was going on about it being a 1912 UVF flag and therefore no offensive - cos that is absolute bull****).

In any normal country in the world, flags would be no problem. Unfortunately in the North they are seen as divisive and inflammatory.

Yes I am the same David but please if you are going to quote me do so accurately. I did not say that the UVF flag was not offensive. I explained exactly what the flag was but said repeatedly that such a flag has no place whatsoever at a football match. As far as I know it was removed but I could be wrong as I was not even aware of its presence until I was on my way home.

As for your final point, if people have that perception of flags then they have the problem. I would suggest that they don't leave the house as they are constantly going to come across stuff that will offend them. I am British, I am exceptionally proud of being British and I am a very patriotic person and if I choose to display the flag of my country at a football match like football supporters all over the world then nobody has the right to tell me not to do so.

[Not Brazil]

You tell me, you're the one who semi quoted a newspaper in some lame attempt to make the incident seem less sectarian.(As if the intended target would have been fair game due to his past) If that wasn't your intention why mention it.

No such attack is "ok" in my mind.

I merely cited a local paper which added a different dimension to the possible motive of the attack.

If you have an issue with their reporting, take in up with the journalist (john Cassidy), not me.:rolleyes:

[Not Brazil]

Care to expand? I haven't heard anything about it being wound up. Isn't there a contract in place for another good few years?


Fans are questioning it's merits - low attendances (in many instances), practical 2nd string teams being fielded, and certain managers alluding to the fact that it is some sort of distraction to their real business.

[Not Brazil]

Banning all National flags.


Not a chance.

The Union Flag will be displayed by Linfield FC and it's supporters without apology to anyone - check out our club colours.;)

If other clubs wish to display national flags, that's fine and dandy - certainly won't be seeing me complain about it.

The ROI national flag does not "offend" me one iota.

[Krstic]

No such attack is "ok" in my mind.

I merely cited a local paper which added a different dimension to the possible motive of the attack.

If you have an issue with their reporting, take in up with the journalist (john Cassidy), not me.:rolleyes:

You and I both know that anything in the Sunday World should be taken with a whole pile of salt.
Yet you quoting the story seems like an attempt at justification.

[Not Brazil]

You and I both know that anything in the Sunday World should be taken with a whole pile of salt.
Yet you quoting the story seems like an attempt at justification.

Let me be clear then.:rolleyes:

In my opinion, there is absolutely no justification whatsoever for sticking a bottle into someones neck, and leaving them for dead.

Those responsible for such attacks need to be hounded, arrested, charged and sentenced.

[Mr_Parker]

The victim wasn't wearing a Celtic shirt.

Picture available upon request.

It certainly looked like an old style Celtic polo shirt from the photos I saw.

[Mr_Parker]

The Sunday World reported at the weekend that the intended target of the gang was a leading North Belfast Provo, who was convicted in 1976 for a brutal, sectarian, double murder.

They named him - I'll not.

Sectarian? Was the attack because of the guy's perceived religious beliefs (I doubt many of the attackers were frequent church goers), or because of his perceived political beliefs/national identity?

Given that reports place the gang at another Belfast city centre bar at 1.45PM, and that the IC Semi Final at The Oval didn't finish until 2.20PM, certain questions are raised.

One of them being, do Linfield fans all own a tardis, enabling them to time travel.

I'm surprised at a Blueman using the Sunday World as a 'source' but it would do well to read what the Sunday Life had to say on the matter too which paints a different picture.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/Mr_Parker2006/scan0170.jpg

As for being sectarian, I would suggest you look the word up as 'sectarianism' does not only pertain to religious differences.

BTW, the time of entry on the CCTV at the other bar puts it at 2.30pm. I don't believe they were all, if any, at the Oval but if any were they didn't need to be Doctor Who.

[Mr_Parker]

Is it possible they could have met up with fellow hoolies who were already preparing the attack after the match?

It's not Linfield FC's fault. However, more could still be done by the club (I'm aware of all the efforts currently being undertaken) to stamp out sectarianism. I'd say the same for Cliftonville and Shamrock Rovers as well to be honest. I dread the day Rovers and Linfield meet in the Setanta Cup.

I love these Derry 'angels' :rolleyes:

Other than play the games behind closed doors, I think both Cliftonville and Linfield have done more than could be reasonably expected to deal with this issue.

Take your blinkers off.

[pól-dcfc]

I love these Derry 'angels' :rolleyes:.

Come to the Utopian Paradise that is Brandywell, Derry City and you'll see the error of your ways. ;)

[Steve Bruce]

Come to the Utopian Paradise that is Brandywell, Derry City and you'll see the error of your ways. ;)

I have, under police escort so then locals(including DCFC supporters) don't attack us.:rolleyes:

[Krstic]

I have, under police escort so then locals(including DCFC supporters) don't attack us.:rolleyes:

As much as the Brandywell is not a great place for a stadium and Linfield fans,at times, have been quite justified in their complaints due to inadequate policing outside the ground.
The bold part of your statement above is a load of cack and a down right lie.

[Steve Bruce]

As much as the Brandywell is not a great place for a stadium and Linfield fans,at times, have been quite justified in their complaints due to inadequate policing outside the ground.
The bold part of your statement above is a load of cack and a down right lie.

I seen crowds getting tooled up with the odd one with DCFC scarfs round their bake. That is my own eyes, unless of course you can account for every last person in Brandywell?

[Krstic]

I seen crowds getting tooled up with the odd one with DCFC scarfs round their bake. That is my own eyes, unless of course you can account for every last person in Brandywell?

Now it's bad enough for your own team that rag newspapers print crap and attempt to link Linfield to the trouble by saying they wore Linfield gear, but for you to do the same to another team is just sad.

And funny at the time of the incident all sides were agreed that Derry City's fans were not involved.

[Not Brazil]

As for being sectarian, I would suggest you look the word up as 'sectarianism' does not only pertain to religious differences.


I am well aware of the meaning, thanks all the same, Mr P;)

[David]

Now it's bad enough for your own team that rag newspapers print crap and attempt to link Linfield to the trouble by saying they wore Linfield gear, but for you to do the same to another team is just sad.

And funny at the time of the incident all sides were agreed that Derry City's fans were not involved.

Have to agree with this. As much as I might regularly disagree with Derry fans on things, their supporters are genuine, support their team and in my opinion were certainly not involved in attacks on Linfield supporters.

[Not Brazil]

Have to agree with this. As much as I might regularly disagree with Derry fans on things, their supporters are genuine, support their team and in my opinion were certainly not involved in attacks on Linfield supporters.

I would agree with this also.

[pól-dcfc]

I would agree with this also.


Have to agree with this. As much as I might regularly disagree with Derry fans on things, their supporters are genuine, support their team and in my opinion were certainly not involved in attacks on Linfield supporters.

Cheers lads.

[dcfcsteve]

I have, under police escort so then locals(including DCFC supporters) don't attack us.:rolleyes:

You're so full of horse-sh!t ya WUM......

:o

[Not Brazil]

It certainly looked like an old style Celtic polo shirt from the photos I saw.

Doesn't look like even a polo shirt to me, let alone "an old style Celtic" one.:rolleyes:

http://www.irishnews.com/articles/540/5860/2008/3/31/583929_340973076042Stabbedma.html

Three more arrests on Thursday evening relating to the attack - a total of five now.

[Mr_Parker]

Doesn't look like even a polo shirt to me, let alone "an old style Celtic" one.:rolleyes:

I had seen the photos. It certainly reminds me of a Celtic polo shirt from a few years back. I must ask one of his family what he was wearing.




Three more arrests on Thursday evening relating to the attack - a total of five now.

Has this been reported anywhere?

EDIT: Found this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7339675.stm

[Not Brazil]

I had seen the photos. It certainly reminds me of a Celtic polo shirt from a few years back. I must ask one of his family what he was wearing.


Err - it isn't even a shirt Mr P. It's a pullover, with a T Shirt underneath it!

The old mince pies letting you down these days?

Let me guess what the family member will say.

"It was a Celtic pullover", perhaps?:rolleyes:

Looks very similar to a wee number that used to be in stock at Next.:rolleyes:

[Mr_Parker]

Err - it isn't even a shirt Mr P. It's a pullover, with a T Shirt underneath it!

The old mince pies letting you down these days?

Let me guess what the family member will say.

"It was a Celtic pullover", perhaps?:rolleyes:

Looks very similar to a wee number that used to be in stock at Next.:rolleyes:

You shop in Next? :o

[Not Brazil]

You shop in Next? :o

My son does.

Way to expensive for me.:D

[Raheny Red]

The victim wasn't wearing a Celtic shirt.

Picture available upon request.


Go on, giz a look. Send me a PM.

[Not Brazil]

Go on, giz a look. Send me a PM.

There's a link 5 or 6 posts back in the thread.