Joe O'Cearuill

[Razors left peg]

Some people do make me laugh. You reckon this lad is as good as O'Shea. Stop being daft; you may slate O'Shea but he's comfortable on the ball, has a high pass ratio, is a danger at set pieces but just doesn't have any determination.

This lad appears to be a mile off the standard for Ireland's national side.

Couldnt agree more

[geysir]

Some people do make me laugh. You reckon this lad is as good as O'Shea. Stop being daft; you may slate O'Shea but he's comfortable on the ball, has a high pass ratio, is a danger at set pieces but just doesn't have any determination.

This lad appears to be a mile off the standard for Ireland's national side.
Which people?
Who is the "you"?

I think you misread a post, - from Irishfan?

[livehead1]

No: Finnpark "hes probably already as good as mcshane and o'shea."

No offence intended but if anyone really believes that then I think they know absolutely nothing about football whatsoever.

[irishfan86]

I think defenders have a really hard time advancing to a higher level.

In a training situation they are very hard to judge, because a lot of them don't have the same technical ability.

Even in a training match, they may not go 100% because they don't want to injure a teammate.

It is really only in a real match that you can judge a defender.

And if you watch a match between two sides that you are not familiar with, who is it you notice? The rock at the back? Or the flash and dash winger or striker?

It's a thankless position, and we see a lot of absolute crap footballers play as defenders at the highest level.

That lad at Spurs, Kaboul, can't defend at all. He's the worst professional defender I've seen since Titus Bramble.

But he was probably being scouted by Spurs and scored a header off a set piece (which admittedly he's very good at).

The point I'm trying to make here is that scouts often look for offensive abilities, even in defenders....and thus, the best players at actually defending often get overlooked.

From what I've seen from O'Cearuill, from the US friendlies and some U-21 matches, he did not stick out as particularly worse or better than his peers at those levels.

[livehead1]

I haven't seem him play but people here have; I watched Derry v Cork last night, would he get in either of their sides?

[Dodge]

I haven't seem him play but people here have; I watched Derry v Cork last night, would he get in either of their sides?

He was excellent last night, playing our of position. And BTW he's playing our of position as he's more adaptable than others, rather than tehm getting ahead of him. I don't think any of the Cork/Derry defences would get neear our first team

[livehead1]

He must be reasonably good then; thought the Cork Derry defences didn't do a lot wrong.

[adamcarr]

He was excellent last night, playing our of position. And BTW he's playing our of position as he's more adaptable than others, rather than tehm getting ahead of him. I don't think any of the Cork/Derry defences would get neear our first team

:D
Dan Murray, Danny Murphy and Neal Horgan would walk into the Pats team.

[Dodge]

Murphy might (forgot he was back in fairness). Horgan is rubbish, Murray too slow. I think he's possibly the most eoverrated player in the league

[DmanDmythDledge]

He must be reasonably good then; thought the Cork Derry defences didn't do a lot wrong.
Both defences were awful for the goals that were conceded.

[livehead1]

Both defences were awful for the goals that were conceded.

Sorry, should have been more specific. Yeh, i only saw the cork goal and that was pretty poor but there were individuals on both sides who looked good, the Cork captain in part. looked good.

[theworm2345]

Has joined Forest Green Rovers (Conference)

[AlaskaFox]

Ninth tier football:
http://greenscene.me/2012/08/joe-ocearuill-joins-haringey-borough/

[Dodge]

Still too high for him. One of the worst players ever to play for Pats, never mind Ireland

[Charlie Darwin]

Call him up Trap!

[Murfinator]

Ninth tier football:
http://greenscene.me/2012/08/joe-ocearuill-joins-haringey-borough/

That giants stadium squad stan picked to "blood our future stars" is the gift that just keeps on giving for comedy.

[IsMiseSean]

That giants stadium squad stan picked to "blood our future stars" is the gift that just keeps on giving for comedy.

Just some of the players that played on that tour.
Alan Bennett, Alex Bruce, Stephen O’Halloran, Darren Potter, Daryl Murphy, Joe Gamble, Joe O’Cearuill, Stephen Gleeson, Joe Lapira, Peter Murphy, Alan O’Brien, Wayne Henderson

Terrible.....

[Charlie Darwin]

What did Henderson do wrong? He was shaping up to be a decent goalkeeper until he did his back in. Potter's career stalled but he's still at the top end of League One and could easily play at a higher level, as can Gleeson. I'll give you Joe Lapira.

[Supreme feet]

As far as I can remember, some fringe players (Miller and Elliott for sure) missed that tour because they had weddings and holidays planned; something like 21 players withdrew. Ridiculous. Makes you grateful for Trapattoni laying down a marker and banishing players like Stokes for failing to turn up for end-of-season camps/friendlies without good reason.

[Murfinator]

He's right to, the fact that every senior player bar Kilbane and the then Reading trio withdrew tells you what players will do if given the chance. I think the big 4 were given time off but the rest weren't, I remember JOS was due to captain Ireland for the first time and refused. Stephen Ireland had some ridiculous excuse as well.
We've still had some of that nonsense under trap from a few but far less to the extent it was happening with Stan.

[IsMiseSean]

What did Henderson do wrong? He was shaping up to be a decent goalkeeper until he did his back in. Potter's career stalled but he's still at the top end of League One and could easily play at a higher level, as can Gleeson. I'll give you Joe Lapira.

Forgot Henderson got injured. Potter playing at the top of league 1 isn't exactly setting the world the fire. Granted he is probably better than Green.
I remember him starting against Denmark in a friendly we won 4-0 AWAY from home. Anyone remember why he faded into obscurity?

[Charlie Darwin]

MK Dons would do well in the Championship I think. I think his club career just fell off with Sheffield Wednesday's troubles.

[IsMiseSean]

I think they've been in the playoffs the last few years, maybe this season they'll make the grade.
Good few Irish lads knocking around their squad.

[Charlie Darwin]

I think they've just been unlucky there were big clubs like the Sheffields, Norwich, Southampton, Huddersfield, etc. knocking around.

[OwlsFan]

Just came across this article from 2014 http://www.balls.ie/football/republic-of-ireland-internationals-premier-league-clubs-last-time/136075

Joe's claim to fame is that he is the last Arsenal player to play for Ireland. Shame when that club used to be such a hotbed of Irish players. Joe certainly has been though a fair few clubs since then and he is still only 28 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_O%27Cearuill

Have to go back a long way for an Irish Swansea City player !! I thought of Lee Trundle but that never came to anything.

[CraftyToePoke]

Have to go back a long way for an Irish Swansea City player !! I thought of Lee Trundle but that never came to anything.

Was Thomas Butler there ?

[pineapple stu]

Yes - but wasn't capped while at Swansea.

[Yard of Pace]

I thought of Lee Trundle but that never came to anything.

Y'know I'm still disappointed by that. He was most certainly worth a go. The fact he retired at 39 and came back from a 4 month knee injury at 36 suggests he was a fit lad, even though he looked a bit podgy.

And when I read this I'm even more disappointed. Hell if we'd even just played him against the minnows or in friendlies he'd have increased the attendances.

http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Lee-Trundle-column-8217-d-played-Ireland-ahead/story-23100110-detail/story.html

THIS week a story in the national press suggested I would have played for Ireland ahead of England — that’s completely right — and here’s why.
The article in question was arguing that people from Liverpool don’t feel a particularly strong connection to the England football side.
I think there might be something in that, but with me it was simply a case that the pull to Ireland was stronger.
Like many people from Liverpool, my family had strong connections to the country.

My grandfather on my mum’s side lived in Inchicore just outside Dublin and I went over there many times to visit him when I was younger.
I had lots of relatives over there, then my mum married a man from Dublin so even more members of my extended family were Irish.
That strengthened by feeling with the nation even further.
Liverpool has a very strong historic connection to Ireland as many people emigrated from one to the other a couple of generations ago.
That is reflected in some of the people who have represented Ireland over the years. I’m thinking of people like John Aldridge and Jason McAteer.
Obviously, I was never in the frame for an England call-up, and while there was talk of an Ireland chance once, it never materialised.
But my attitude has nothing to do with what happened in my career. I decided I would rather represent Ireland than England long before I became a professional footballer.
I’m not anti-England.
If Ireland aren’t playing I always support them. But in a game between the two, I’d back the green shirts.
And I’m not alone. Many people that grew up by me felt the same. Even if they didn’t have a strong link to another country, they wouldn’t be particularly passionate about the Three Lions.
I’m sure it’s the same for a lot of supporters, but Liverpool and Everton fans I knew would always put their clubs ahead of the national side.
If you ask people from Liverpool whether they’re English a lot would say ‘no, I’m Scouse’. They just don’t feel a strong attachment to the football team of the country.
For them, England play at Wembley and so are more representative of London or southern England, an area they don’t really identify with.
A little like Swansea and Cardiff, there is a feeling that the capital gets all the investment and people from Liverpool resent that a little bit.
As I say, I want England to do well and I always hope they get good results.
But if it comes down to a choice between the two, Ireland get my support every time.

[OwlsFan]

Interesting read. Yep, a very talented player but mostly at a lower level I think. Not sure if he played in the Premiership for Swansea.

[Olé Olé]

Interesting read. Yep, a very talented player but mostly at a lower level I think. Not sure if he played in the Premiership for Swansea.

No, the height of his career was his prolific years in L1 and L2 when he was touted for an Ireland call-up. I think everyone agreed that was only justified if he could replicate the goals somewhat at a higher level but he never did and went uncapped.

I think his appearances on Soccer AM and the showboating segment really helped his profile here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIQz5l0xnGY

[tetsujin1979]

Pretty sure Kerr went to watch him play, but never called him up.