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Anto McC
08/03/2008, 2:05 PM
In my opinion, Pats were dead right. Sligo f*cked up.

I'm not the type of person that defends Pats often but i can't see it any other way.

sligoman
08/03/2008, 2:06 PM
Could you not have used last year's home jersey?Oh right, I see how wearing an all red jersey would have solved the problems last night alright:rolleyes:.

If Pat's wore their away jersey and we brought the home one then maybe but Pat's were the stubborn one's last night.

pineapple stu
08/03/2008, 2:08 PM
Your second sentence explains it.

Pat's deserve to get fined for not wearing their away jerseys and are as bad as youz in this, especialy with precedent. But not having a first choice or a third choice jersey is amateur.

passerrby
08/03/2008, 2:14 PM
Rovers were humiliated last night wearing another teams jerseys,I assume Rovers will be taking this further

ya maybe jako and your sponsor might hold sligo responsible for the fcuk up.
and they would be right too

soccerc
08/03/2008, 2:15 PM
Pats jersey is registered as ALL RED with the FAI doesn't matter what it looked like the past 15 or what ever years. If it was registered as red and white their would be no problem

Really? This is the information I've got to hand but it could be outdated and from season 2007.


Registered 2008 Playing Kits

St Patrick's Athletic:
1st choice:
Shirt: Red and white
Shorts: White and red
Socks: White

2nd choice:
Shirt: Navy, blue and white
Shorts: Navy
Socks: Navy


Sligo Rovers:
1st choice:
Shirt: Red
Shorts: White
Socks: White

2nd choice:
Shirt: Red & white hoops
Shorts: Red
Socks: Red

3rd choice:
Shirt: Black
Shorts: Black
Socks: Black

From the above it would appear that there should not have been any problems last night.

Sligo should have taken two kits to the game, namely their first and third choices.

This would have ensured there would have been no farcical sideline arguments.

Red4Eva
08/03/2008, 2:31 PM
Registered 2008 Playing Kits

Sligo Rovers:
1st choice:
Shirt: Red
Shorts: White
Socks: White

2nd choice:
Shirt: Red & white hoops
Shorts: Red
Socks: Red

3rd choice:
Shirt: Black
Shorts: Black
Socks: Black




where's u get that from? we haven't had a hooped jersey for 10 years and our home kit is all red. a lot of people who have posted on this must be blind because they keep saying our home kit is red and white

home: http://www.sligorovers.com/photo1/displayimage.php?pid=865&fullsize=1
away: http://www.sligorovers.com/photo1/displayimage.php?pid=847&fullsize=1

*note: 1st picture where pat's wear their away kit and there's no problems

CharlesThompson
08/03/2008, 2:42 PM
In case anyone is wondering, the navy Pats jerseys eventually worn by Rovers do indeed have white sleeves. They also kept their white shorts to match those worn by Pats:confused: Maxi has a word for this...

Funny thing is that down in Waterford, our white gear 'clashed' with Waterfords Blue gear. Our Navy sleeves were the issue. Seems a bit farcical to be honest. Sligo obviously didn't bring their home gear as it's red. So despite being technically wrong the outcome would have been the same. Pat's should have been asked to wear their away gear.

Who was the referee? Anthony Fücking Buttimer. Also starred at several other "jersey issue matches". They guy is a complete plank.

There, I've said it.

forza rovers
08/03/2008, 2:44 PM
Really? This is the information I've got to hand but it could be outdated and from season 2007.


Sligo Rovers:
1st choice:
Shirt: Red
Shorts: White
Socks: White

2nd choice:
Shirt: Red & white hoops
Shorts: Red
Socks: Red

3rd choice:
Shirt: Black
Shorts: Black
Socks: Black

From the above it would appear that there should not have been any problems last night.

Sligo should have taken two kits to the game, namely their first and third choices.

This would have ensured there would have been no farcical sideline arguments.most of that kit was given to the fans in bray last year.red and white strips was our home kit3-4 years ago

finnpark
08/03/2008, 3:22 PM
The fact that the match was delayed because of this should mean an automatic points deduction for both clubs. The fact that Sligo wore neither of their registered playing kits should mean an automatic points deduction and the fact that Pats refused to wear their away kit should mean that they too should face a points deduction.

Im sure the FAI will see sense and enforce a points deduction. Fines are stupid as they don't have the same impact as points and its only fair to the other teams in the league that these teams are punished harshly. :)

Red4Eva
08/03/2008, 3:22 PM
main story of ocean fm news at 4 was that Jako Ireland and the McSweeney Group(main club sponsor) are considering taking legal action against the FAI

http://oceanfm.ie/onair/sligoleitrimnews.php?articleid=000002827

sligoman
08/03/2008, 3:23 PM
The fact that the match was delayed because of this should mean an automatic points deduction for both clubs. The fact that Sligo wore neither of their registered playing kits should mean an automatic points deduction and the fact that Pats refused to wear their away kit should mean that they too should face a points deduction.

Im sure the FAI will see sense and enforce a points deduction. Fines are stupid as they don't have the same impact as points and its only fair to the other teams in the league that these teams are punished harshly. :)You weren't funny the first time you mentioned it and you're not funny now.

finnpark
08/03/2008, 3:25 PM
main story of ocean fm news at 4 was that Jako Ireland and the McSweeney Group(main club sponsor) are considering taking legal action against the FAI

http://oceanfm.ie/onair/sligoleitrimnews.php?articleid=000002827

This is what Jako's boss Nick Brujos told the THE STAR. Its only words and Im sure he doesn't have the money to sue the FAI. Only an opinion there. Ironically Jako's sponsorship has not been launched yet and will be launched next Wednesday. :)

GT blue
08/03/2008, 3:25 PM
why are the white sleeves never a problem when arsenal play spurs?

finnpark
08/03/2008, 3:27 PM
You weren't funny the first time you mentioned it and you're not funny now.

Im not tryng to be funny. The Star mentions a points reduction and due to the serious nature of this I think that it is justified. Its clear that both clubs have broken rules here. -9pts :p

LeixlipRed
08/03/2008, 3:28 PM
Amateur hour all round. Fantastic piece of ammunition for the cynical PL fans to use against the league. A ****ing joke

sligoman
08/03/2008, 3:31 PM
Amateur hour all round. Fantastic piece of ammunition for the cynical PL fans to use against the league. A ****ing jokeI've already had one Liverpool barstooler trying to wind me up about it.

Stato
08/03/2008, 4:14 PM
why are the white sleeves never a problem when arsenal play spurs?

Leaving aside Arsenal's change to a wine jersey this is probably the most sensible point made in six pages of thread. The ref was too fussy. Consider the following games last season:

St Pats v Wisla Krackow (all white jersey)
St Pats v Shamrock Rovers (hooped jersey with white sleeves)
St Pats v Spurs (all white jersey)
St Pats v Galway Utd (all white jersey)

Where's the difference with these jerseys and what Sligo proposed to wear last night? They should fine the ref and relegate him.

Scram
08/03/2008, 4:19 PM
dont worry pats will get there way because there from dublin:p

Boo Hoo Boy another paranoid anti-Dub.
You guys really need to cop yourselves on and get over your inferiority complex. We hear the this nonsense all the time from anti-Dub GAA neanderthals but I didn't know it was present with Eircom League fans and I'd assume you are a small and petty minority.

micls
08/03/2008, 4:24 PM
Jako's contract is with Sligo not the FAI. I'm sure they can sue Sligo but the FAI do not have to answer to them.

Also Jako could have had the foresight to provide a third strip for Sligo if they were that worried about the exposure

sadloserkid
08/03/2008, 4:45 PM
like i said rovers dont have a home kit yet.


we have an ALL RED home kit, for about the 90th time

Well which is it? Blaming the referee is a cop out. The rule should possibly be tweaked but blaming a referee for enforcing a rule is lunacy. Starting a season with one kit is shambolic on a Limerick level.

Dodge
08/03/2008, 5:05 PM
According to the official wLOI website our home colours are red & white. You have to assume they use the info supplied by clubs

http://www.eircomloi.ie/the-divisions/premier-division/club-profiles/st.-patricks-athletic-f.c/index.xml

Club Colours
1st choice:
Jersey: Red and white
Shorts: White and red
Socks: White

2nd choice:
Jersey: Navy, blue and white
Shorts: Navy
Socks: Navy


Still let everyone become drama queens and post rubbish about points deductions

Titan
08/03/2008, 5:20 PM
The Idea of Jako suing the FAI is laughable. If Nick was that bothered he should have made sure that Sligo had either last years black kit with them or given them a set of backup shirts. Little known fact: for the last 3 years Waterford had a green set of shirts for emergency use. They never saw the light of day but at least they had them!

Schumi
08/03/2008, 7:30 PM
Why does everything in this league have to be so complicated? The obvious solution to the problem on the night was for Pats to wear their away strip and Sligo to wear their white kit. No clash and both teams wear their own kit. As Sligo ****ed up, they should probably have been fined or something. As it happened, Sligo ****ed up with not bringing a kit that they could wear and Pats were just needlessly being awkward so both deserve to be punished.

The real problem is that the FAI didn't have this all worked out beforehand. Why couldn't they and the refs look at all the kits before the season and tell clubs what kit to wear if there's a clash? :rolleyes:

pineapple stu
08/03/2008, 7:31 PM
The real problem is that the FAI didn't have this all worked out beforehand. Why couldn't they and the refs look at all the kits before the season and tell clubs what kit to wear if there's a clash? :rolleyes:
But...but - they had two people working on it full time!:rolleyes:

Réiteoir
08/03/2008, 8:08 PM
main story of ocean fm news at 4 was that Jako Ireland and the McSweeney Group(main club sponsor) are considering taking legal action against the FAI

http://oceanfm.ie/onair/sligoleitrimnews.php?articleid=000002827

If that happens then the FAI should turn around and counter-sue Jako for not providing suitable playing equipment in time to meet the requirements of the League.

In which other top-division of a League in the whole world would have a club start a season with only one kit because "the other lot is still being stitched together in a factory somewhere in the arse-end of nowhere"

And I include African Leagues and those in Central America in that

feo123
09/03/2008, 1:16 AM
stop talking crap about points reductions, its easy for the FAI to tell all clubs the week of a game what jerseys they are to wear on the friday/saturday or whichever the case may be. the FAI should have pictures of every choice of kit every team has, and then make sure that both clubs are told on the monday or tuesday to give them sufficent time to get it ready for the weekend. its really so so easy to do.

in fairness to ourselves, our all white away kit wouldnt clash with st. pats home kit, even though the sleeves are the same. it could only have been for the sleeves clashing, so it really is strange why Buttimer let us wear the other kit with white sleeves aswell. i think he has to come out and explain this himself! might give us some sort of daylight

TonyD
09/03/2008, 9:35 AM
The ref is to blame here in my view, fair and square. Can anyone confirm that it was Buttimer who was in charge when this happened last year at Bohs/Waterford and Cork/Bray ? Also is it true that the kits were approved earlier in the week by the FAI ? If the answer to both of these questions is yes, then Mr Buttimer should never referee another game of football in this country. The FAI must also take their share of blame. After last year the onus was on them to put procedures in place to ensure that htis doesn't happen.

I'm sure I remember Pats playing teams with all white shirts before and there was never a problem. It should never have been an issue.

PS - Is it true that Buttimer is auditioning for the role of new presenter on "What Not To Wear" ?

neville neville
09/03/2008, 10:05 AM
the buck stops with the ref for me. we can go on about what kits Sligo/Pats have and what the should have brought but the way i look at is the Kits dont clash. they dont even nearly clash. I used an example in the other thread, when Spurs play Arsenal in England do they change colours, no, as they dont clash. the colours are different and its the same colours invilved here. the sleeves might be the same but thats doesnt make them clash.

on a poxy cold night in dublin to leave so many paying punters sitting in the cold is scandelous. its as if we dont want people to go to the games.

incident
09/03/2008, 10:37 AM
The ref is to blame here in my view, fair and square. Can anyone confirm that it was Buttimer who was in charge when this happened last year at Bohs/Waterford and Cork/Bray ?
Pretty sure it was Buttimer at Waterford/Bohs, and at the (remarkably stupid) Dundalk/Shels goalkeeper farce (http://www.uefa.com/magazine/news/kind=1024/newsid=600680.html).

Not sure who was in charge the Cork/Bray, or Shams/Bray games..

Saint Tom
09/03/2008, 11:58 AM
fact of the matter is that we were the home club with a long time established choice of home colours. Its not our issue that sligo's kits are too similiar to each other and that they didn't bring a change strip. I agree 100% with our actions in this instance. An under 12 team would not show up to play a match with one kit, particularly one which clashed with the other clubs colours.

Soper
09/03/2008, 12:39 PM
They didn't clash!

A face
09/03/2008, 3:15 PM
I was under the impression that the FAI approved each clubs' various strips in advance of the season.



They did (allegedly). Apparantly they had two full time staff looking after it. Makes you wonder...

Who were the two in the FAI that were looking after this?

Candystripe
09/03/2008, 4:50 PM
Same thibg happened last season in the Derry V Sligo game.

Sligo ended up wearing our away black stripe.

Don't remember who the ref was.

Rovers1
09/03/2008, 4:58 PM
Boils down to this IMO:

Sligo Rovers are to partly blame for not having the cop on to realise Derry and Pats wear red and white, therefore we should have a 3rd kit, be it green,black whatever

Pats are partly at fault for holding the game up, and not just wearing their away kit.

The FAI are partly at fault for not realising Rovers and Pats both wear red and white and not requesting Jako to supply Rovers with a 3rd kit.

Anyone remember when we playe Pats in cup in 2005 and we had to change to all white because Pats forgot their away jersey? ;)

charliesboots
09/03/2008, 6:33 PM
I've been told that all kits were sent to the FAI pre-season and that they approved Pats to wear their home kit and Sligo to wear their white kit. Mr. Buttimer didn't agree and threatened to leave the ground and call off the game if the clubs didn't come to a compromise.

Pats (rightly in my opinion) refused to change from their home strip. Pats got two sets of gear from Lissadell (Junior Side) and Sligo agreed to wear one of them. Mr. Buttimer still felt that the kits clashed with the Pats kit and wouldn't allow it.

Paul Cooke (who was very diplomatic about the whole thing) then finally agreed for Sligo to wear the Pats away kit so that the game could go ahead.

________________________________

I was kit man at Pats about 8/9 years ago and every Wednesday phoned the kit man from the team we were due to play on Friday and also the ref to avoid any problems. Common sense approach that avoided situations like Friday's fiasco. Worked every time except once in Galway cos Gerry Perry was an idiot.

dublinred
09/03/2008, 9:27 PM
I've been told that all kits were sent to the FAI pre-season and that they approved Pats to wear their home kit and Sligo to wear their white kit. Mr. Buttimer didn't agree and threatened to leave the ground and call off the game if the clubs didn't come to a compromise.

Pats (rightly in my opinion) refused to change from their home strip. Pats got two sets of gear from Lissadell (Junior Side) and Sligo agreed to wear one of them. Mr. Buttimer still felt that the kits clashed with the Pats kit and wouldn't allow it.

Paul Cooke (who was very diplomatic about the whole thing) then finally agreed for Sligo to wear the Pats away kit so that the game could go ahead.

________________________________

I was kit man at Pats about 8/9 years ago and every Wednesday phoned the kit man from the team we were due to play on Friday and also the ref to avoid any problems. Common sense approach that avoided situations like Friday's fiasco. Worked every time except once in Galway cos Gerry Perry was an idiot.

Sounds like the ref was a plank and should be sacked, this might be discussed elsewhere but I would of assumed the kick off was delayed anyways due to the chaos outside trying to get a ticket , i was queing from 7.20 at the garden shed opposite the ground and would of barely made it if kicked off at 7.45 and there still was hundreds in the que behind me , should of been a positve spin on the night that the kick off had to be delayed due to larger than expected crowds .

GavinZac
10/03/2008, 1:17 AM
Given that sligo's home is all-red, and their away is all-white, im finding the numbers who say they're "too similar" quite amusing. red is nearly white, now?

and the game was delayed because the white jersies clashed with pat's white sleeves? and then proceeded... with sligo in white sleeves and white shorts?

While sligo should have had a third kit, and pats should have just changed.... all told, buttimer is the one who delayed the game and, in the end, to nobody's benefit.

Dodge
10/03/2008, 6:30 AM
with sligo in white sleeves and white shorts?


They didn't have white sleeves...

BleusAvantTout
10/03/2008, 6:35 AM
I haven't bothered to read all this thread but this appears to have been a complete farce. :o It's not the first time it has happened in the Eircom and it's not rocket science to rectify. A great advert for the start of the season! ;)

Redie
10/03/2008, 10:14 AM
When we knocked St. Pat's out of the cup in The Showgrounds a few seasons back Rover kit was Red and White and St. Pat's kit was White and Red and those of us involved in Junior soccer could not believe it was allowed and it was incredibly confusing even to watch. I think ye man Kelly was the ref that night. I don't know all the facts of this incident to pass judgement yet but I think the most irrelevant point that had been made so far, and on a number of occasions, is that St. Pat's have had the same home kit for the past fifteen years or so. Whatever they have registered as their home kit for this current season is what counts. By the way last weekend in the Sligo-Leitrim Junior soccer league there was a clash of colours and under the relevant rules the match was not played and the away team were awarded the points.

Dodge
10/03/2008, 2:32 PM
When we knocked St. Pat's out of the cup in The Showgrounds a few seasons back Rover kit was Red and White and St. Pat's kit was White and Red and those of us involved in Junior soccer could not believe it was allowed and it was incredibly confusing even to watch. I think ye man Kelly was the ref that night. I don't know all the facts of this incident to pass judgement yet but I think the most irrelevant point that had been made so far, and on a number of occasions, is that St. Pat's have had the same home kit for the past fifteen years or so. Whatever they have registered as their home kit for this current season is what counts. By the way last weekend in the Sligo-Leitrim Junior soccer league there was a clash of colours and under the relevant rules the match was not played and the away team were awarded the points.

Junior football, and the FAI cup have different rules. in your example above we wore our red+ white kit, not white+red. The same one we wore on Friday.

Seriously, how long is this going to go on for? By all accounts the FAI cleared the kits it was only buttimer who had a problem with them, and he has previous in this area...

GavinZac
10/03/2008, 2:34 PM
They didn't have white sleeves...
this not it? :confused:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/Pats_Squad_Away_Kit.jpg

soccerc
10/03/2008, 2:39 PM
this not it? :confused:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/Pats_Squad_Away_Kit.jpg

No


This is it

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2337/2318229381_e6c32a946e.jpg

WoodquayBoy
10/03/2008, 2:42 PM
Where's the difference with these jerseys and what Sligo proposed to wear last night? They should fine the ref and relegate him.
This is the point that mnakes most sense. PLayers play poorly they are dropped; managers perform poorly they are sacked; referees make a constant bags of things and they are given another game to referee the following week.
Both sides behaved like spoiled children, but it was down to the referee. its Pats and Sligo are sanctioned, will the referee be as well?

MyTown
10/03/2008, 2:46 PM
Haven't checked all previous posts on this but Pat's have got form.

On at least two previous visits to Galway they sported the predominantly navy second strip..which you'd ythink is fine....except that the navy socks were dark and the home teams socks (maroon) were also dark.

So what?

At his discretion the refs allowed the games to go ahead, but got plenty of calls wrong - for both sides - because of the similarity of the sock colours. The jerseys were both very dark too & made it difficult for many supporters.

The only predominantly distinguishing feature between the two kits were that our guys wore white shorts. I don't know why Pats didn't opt to wear their home kit? They've done it previously.

I thought refs were advised to ensure that at least one team togged with white or light coloured socks.:confused:

GavinZac
10/03/2008, 2:48 PM
No


This is it

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2337/2318229381_e6c32a946e.jpg

Thats the same jersey, with the now defunct Smart replaced with Paddy Power

soccerc
10/03/2008, 3:02 PM
Thats the same jersey, with the now defunct Smart replaced with Paddy Power

So it's not the same shirt :D

sligoman
10/03/2008, 3:03 PM
Does anyone know when the weekly list of fines are released from the FAI?

Redie
10/03/2008, 3:03 PM
QUOTE]Originally Posted by Stato
Junior football, and the FAI cup have different rules. in your example above we wore our red+ white kit, not white+red. The same one we wore on Friday.

Seriously, how long is this going to go on for? By all accounts the FAI cleared the kits it was only buttimer who had a problem with them, and he has previous in this area...[/QUOTE]
I'm not putting those point forward as an arguement for Sligo Rovers, Just thought I'd mention them. And yes, it looks more and more like Mr. Buttimer is the main offender here. I'd also be interested to know what was the difficulty with the two kits brought to the ground by the local Junior Club.

Redie
10/03/2008, 3:05 PM
Sorry, made a mess of that, I meant.....


Originally Posted by Dodge
Junior football, and the FAI cup have different rules. in your example above we wore our red+ white kit, not white+red. The same one we wore on Friday.

Seriously, how long is this going to go on for? By all accounts the FAI cleared the kits it was only buttimer who had a problem with them, and he has previous in this area...

I'm not putting those point forward as an arguement for Sligo Rovers, Just thought i'd mention them. And yes, it looks more and more like Mr. Buttimer is the main offender here. I'd also be interested to know what was the difficulty with the two kits brought to the ground by the local Junior Club.