2008 Licences

[holidaysong]

Trust me as a Limerck supporter I know all about the license's process :o, but whats the point of 1st Division clubs applying for Premier League license then? :ball:

You get a PR officer funded by the FAI if you have a Premier Licence.

[Ash]

Trust me as a Limerck supporter I know all about the license's process :o, but whats the point of 1st Division clubs applying for Premier League license then? :ball:

Presumably if a Premier team went belly up before the start of the season
and the newly relegated team didnt hold a Premier Licence there may be
an outside chance of them getting the promotion!

Highly unlikely but ...

Other than that I assume if they get a Premier LIcence now and have
aspirtions of promotion, they should be able to keep things together to
get the same licence next year if they do go up.

And of course the extra financial help a Premier Licence brings

[Longfordian]

You get a PR officer funded by the FAI if you have a Premier Licence.

That's the main reason we applied for a Premier one.

[Battery Rover]

You get a PR officer funded by the FAI if you have a Premier Licence.

But it also brings in the added expense of having to match the €15k that the FAI give in a grant to pay for your CPO. At the moment this would be too much a burden for a lot of clubs as it would be the equivelant of about 5 weeks team wages.

[blue til i die]

You get a PR officer funded by the FAI if you have a Premier Licence.

thought you got a CPO, not a PRO??:confused:

[holidaysong]

thought you got a CPO, not a PRO??:confused:

Yeah it is a CPO. :ball:

[Dunny]

Yeah it is a CPO. :ball:

Do we lose our CPO now we have not got a premier licence??

[holidaysong]

Do we lose our CPO now we have not got a premier licence??

We will lose the €15,000 that the FAI give towards the salary, whether that means we have to do without the CPO would be a matter for the club I assume.

[Dunny]

We will lose the €15,000 that the FAI give towards the salary, whether that means we have to do without the CPO would be a matter for the club I assume.

Hope the club can fund him he is a great man for this club!

[Buile Shuibhne]

Is it a requirement for the First Division clubs who applied for - and got - a Premier Division licence, that they enter a team in the 'A' League?

[holidaysong]

Our CEO Gerry Matthews speaks about the decision to award us a First Division Licence on dundalkfc.com (http://www.dundalkfc.com/News/080222_Matthews.html).

[John83]

Is it a requirement for the First Division clubs who applied for - and got - a Premier Division licence, that they enter a team in the 'A' League?
No. This requirement is for Premier Division clubs only.

[SeanDrog]

Our CEO Gerry Matthews speaks about the decision to award us a First Division Licence on dundalkfc.com (http://www.dundalkfc.com/News/080222_Matthews.html).


that must be quite worrying as clearly you might get promoted and then fail on the same point unless you can get the wheels in motion asap to have this criteria removed.

[Buile Shuibhne]

from http://www.eircomloi.ie:82/



St Patrick’s Athletic lose licensing appeal



The Club Licensing Appeals Body has upheld the decision of the Club Licensing Committee to impose a financial sanction on St Patrick’s Athletic.



This was the only appeal against the decisions of the Club Licensing Committee last week when 15 Premier Division and seven First Division licences were awarded.

[Longfordian]

Interesting. Another 5k wasted on that appeal so.

[HarpoJoyce]

from http://www.eircomloi.ie:82/
St Patrick’s Athletic lose licensing appeal
The Club Licensing Appeals Body has upheld the decision of the Club Licensing Committee to impose a financial sanction on St Patrick’s Athletic.
This was the only appeal against the decisions of the Club Licensing Committee last week when 15 Premier Division and seven First Division licences were awarded.


Small footnote to above FAI have released a statement
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2923&Itemid=9

"The Football Association of Ireland wishes to refute suggestions in some media outlets that the financial sanction imposed on St Patrick’s Athletic was down to a late processing matter. This is not correct. The club have been informed of the reason for the financial sanction"

[John83]

No rumours on what it actually was though? Interesting.

[HarpoJoyce]

No Rumours. It's a good thing.
The process is confidential.

[John83]

No Rumours. It's a good thing.
The process is confidential.
Kind of. The FAI's disciplined clubs for such arbitrary things in the past that I can only hope they're doing something sensible here. I don't see the benefit in confidentiality though.

[HarpoJoyce]

The confidentality agreement within the process attempts to protect the contributors to the process. So information, recorded information is not used in a negative way against the contributors. I have no sympathy for gossip correspondents and supporters who are frustrated because they are not part of the shared information.

John83, your post above is just a very general line, with no specifics or proven facts and is one reason many supporters remain out of the decision making process in Irish football.


The confidentiality clause of the Licensing
http://www.fai.ie/pdf/FAI_Club_Licensing_Manual_2008.pdf

3.3. CONFIDENTIALITY
The Licensor guarantees the licence applicant/licensee full confidentiality as regards all non-public
information disclosed during the Licensing Core Process. In this regard:
• The FAI must conclude an annual confidentiality agreement with each licence applicant.
• Members of the FAI Club Licensing Committee, the FAI Club Licensing Appeals Body, the FAI
Club Licensing Department and any other individual engaged by the Licensor in the licensing
process must sign a confidentiality clause before starting his or her tasks.
A copy of the contacts sheet, which is attached to the Club Licensing Application form, will be sent to the
League of Ireland administration for their records. Data regarding Infrastructure will also be shared with
the FAI and League of Ireland to facilitate match delegates in completing their reports and for Health and
Safety reasons. No enclosures (e.g. Legal or Financial Information) will be forwarded and these will
remain subject to the confidentiality clause.

[John83]

The confidentality agreement within the process attempts to protect the contributors to the process. So information, recorded information is not used in a negative way against the contributors. I have no sympathy for gossip correspondents and supporters who are frustrated because they are not part of the shared information.
I think you're being disingenuous here, Harpo. The straw-man figure of gossiping fans and journos is a poor attempt to dismiss genuine concerns by lumping them in with more base motivations.

In the absence of information, there is speculation, which may be even more harmful to Pats than the truth. Confidentiality also leads to unaccountability, which leads to corruption and scandal. I don't doubt you can think of a dozen examples involving the FAI yourself.


John83, your post above is just a very general line, with no specifics or proven facts and is one reason many supporters remain out of the decision making process in Irish football.
Fine, here's your proven facts:
The Licensing committee denied Sligo Rovers a licence for making a submission in red pen. This is not in question.

The same year they granted Dublin City a licence. Mid-season, Dublin City ceased trading because they were not financially viable. This, too, is not in question.

Why then should I have confidence that Pats have been punished for any matter of relevance?


The confidentiality clause of the Licensing
I've read it, thanks. That it exists is not really of interest.

Ultimately, I think hiding behind confidentiality is harmful to the licencing process.

[Bald Student]

Ultimately, I think hiding behind confidentiality is harmful to the licencing process.

I don't agree. Making ridiculous judgments is harmful to the process. The confidentiality itself is necessary but open to abuse.