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A face
07/07/2008, 12:29 PM
Doubt that to be honest. If a good Championship club offered half a mil for him are you saying that Cork would turn it down?
If they can get more then yeah, yeah they would turn it down.
Doubt that to be honest. If a good Championship club offered half a mil for him are you saying that Cork would turn it down?
Yes I believe they would. We got similar price for O'Donovan who had only 6 months left on his contract. Whatever about our faults in the past recent transfer for City players have broken LOI records.
A face
07/07/2008, 12:40 PM
Yes I believe they would. We got similar price for O'Donovan who had only 6 months left on his contract. Whatever about our faults in the past recent transfer for City players have broken LOI records.
The fees recently are closer to what the norm should be. Its up to clubs not to bottle it, and club members should hold people accountable if they do bottle it. Selling top players for a packet of magic beans has to stop if the league is ever going to progress.
gustavo
07/07/2008, 1:03 PM
The fees recently are closer to what the norm should be. Its up to clubs not to bottle it, and club members should hold people accountable if they do bottle it. Selling top players for a packet of magic beans has to stop if the league is ever going to progress.
Half a million Euro is hardly a packet of magic beans and if such an offer is received I can hardly see it being rejected out of hand .
DmanDmythDledge
07/07/2008, 1:14 PM
Half a million Euro is hardly a packet of magic beans and if such an offer is received I can hardly see it being rejected out of hand .
One of the top strikers in League 2 last season moved to a Championship club for £750k (€975k). Mooney looks like he is going to get 20 goals this season in a league that is at least similar standard to League 2. Cork should be looking for at least the same amount.
GavinZac
07/07/2008, 1:23 PM
Half a million Euro is hardly a packet of magic beans and if such an offer is received I can hardly see it being rejected out of hand .
If we got over half a million last year for a player with 6 months left on his contract, why would we take the same for what appears to be a better player (better finisher anyway) on a 3 year contract? We're not exactly desperate for money, and with the big prize money this year and next any business person could see the "stock" isn't high enough to cash in yet.
I think half a million would(should) be laughed at tbh. We got that much for Roy with a similar scoring record and only six months left. Dave has 2 and a half years left.
I would be disgusted if he went for anything under a million.
Ideally though we'l tell them all to f off and keep him.
OneRedArmy
07/07/2008, 1:24 PM
Depends how much Cork need the money.
Its a lot easier to hold out for a better offer if you don't need the cash.
Seems an obvious statement but its one all the "analysis" above is missing.....
GavinZac
07/07/2008, 1:29 PM
Depends how much Cork need the money.
Its a lot easier to hold out for a better offer if you don't need the cash.
Seems an obvious statement but its one all the "analysis" above is missing.....well...
We're not exactly desperate for money
osarusan
07/07/2008, 1:32 PM
Saying Cork shouldn't talk to clubs offering less than 2 million only makes sense if there is a real chance that a club is going to offer 2 million.
Regardless of how much Cork fans think he's worth, how much do they realistically expect to be offered for him? Considering the (inaccurate) perception of the eL across the water, and the hit-and-miss success of some of the eL's other star exports, I'd say 2 million is a bit fanciful.
One of the top strikers in League 2 last season moved to a Championship club for £750k (€975k). Mooney looks like he is going to get 20 goals this season in a league that is at least similar standard to League 2. Cork should be looking for at least the same amount.
Not a chance of getting 2m, but this is about right. 900k-1m would be a good deal, particularly if Cork could get something like 10-20% sell-on clause included
OneRedArmy
07/07/2008, 1:42 PM
well...
Are you still owned by that hedge fund?
Saying Cork shouldn't talk to clubs offering less than 2 million only makes sense if there is a real chance that a club is going to offer 2 million.
Regardless of how much Cork fans think he's worth, how much do they realistically expect to be offered for him? Considering the (inaccurate) perception of the eL across the water, and the hit-and-miss success of some of the eL's other star exports, I'd say 2 million is a bit fanciful.
The point being, we dont have to get rid of him. The money he would/could make us by staying in prize money etc in the next 3 seasons, means we have very little reason to be looking to get rid. He'l be just as good with 6 months left on his contract and we'l take the half a million then....
The lad has a good head on his shoulders, has turned down offers in England before and has no interest in returning unless the club and contract is right. He wants to win stuff and we want him to stay and help us do so.
So as of now, we have no interest in selling him.
Now if someone did come in with a huge offer, upward of 1million, of course we'd then consider it. But as it stands both sides are happy with the way things are going.
Are you still owned by that hedge fund?
Yeah, Arkaga
A face
07/07/2008, 1:57 PM
Given how long he has left on his contract we shouldn't even talk to clubs who want to offer less than 2 million
Ask for 3 million and drop to 2, thats the way to go ;)
charliesboots
07/07/2008, 2:30 PM
Anybody know if he has any release clauses in his contract? ;)
OneRedArmy
07/07/2008, 2:36 PM
The point being, we dont have to get rid of him. The money he would/could make us by staying in prize money etc in the next 3 seasons, means we have very little reason to be looking to get rid. He'l be just as good with 6 months left on his contract and we'l take the half a million then....
The lad has a good head on his shoulders, has turned down offers in England before and has no interest in returning unless the club and contract is right. He wants to win stuff and we want him to stay and help us do so.
So as of now, we have no interest in selling him.
Now if someone did come in with a huge offer, upward of 1million, of course we'd then consider it. But as it stands both sides are happy with the way things are going.How do you know your view is aligned with that of those running your club?
You also ignore the present value of money, which in the current climate is huge as discount rates are rocketing.
Also the bit in bold is a large gamble, not fact.
My point is that its nowhere near as clear cut as decision as you make out.
Transfer fees have definitely increased recently but the two guiding principles have stayed the same:
1) its hard for EL clubs to turn down cash; and
2) many more players fail than make it in England.
How do you know your view is aligned with that of those running your club?
I dont. But I do know that their main objective at the moment is to increase crowds. The way to do this is by having an entertaining and winning team. If we lose Dave, we haven't a hope of wining anything
You also ignore the present value of money, which in the current climate is huge as discount rates are rocketing.
True
Also the bit in bold is a large gamble, not fact.
Having watched him now for a few months, he is a young player who is constantly improving. He is very dedicated and hard working. Barring a serious injury, which yes is a gamble, he will keep getting better.
My point is that its nowhere near as clear cut as decision as you make out.
I wasnt trying to make out that it was clear cut, I was trying to say that both sides have said he's going nowhere, we're screwed in footballing terms if we lose him.
The prize money available plus the bigger crowds the better we play would be worth more in the 3 seasons than under a million now imo. Maye the owners disagree but I would be absolutely shocked if he left for anything under a million.
Transfer fees have definitely increased recently but the two guiding principles have stayed the same:
1) its hard for EL clubs to turn down cash; and
This is a presumptiom. While I agree all EL clubs need the money, saying that Arkaga would find it hard to turn down the cash may not be true. Given that none of us know exactly why they're involved(its hardly for the profit they're making right now,, or imagined profit by selling players) there may be a lot more to it.
2) many more players fail than make it in England.
Thats the problem of the team buying him. If they dont want to offer the money then grand. I honestly think we'l win the league next season if we keep him. Id imagine the owners would expect the same.
I think the money he could make us in the time he's here would make it worth keeping him.
These are the same people who negotiated the deal for O Donovan. They payed hardball with Fulham then and got a great deal in the end. Id expect no different here
ger121
07/07/2008, 4:46 PM
Off Topic I know but if the Transfer rumours of Doyle to Sunderland are true, wouldn't you be entitled to some money there? I seem to remember somebody on here saying that there was a Sell-On clause included in the deal that took Doyle to Reading. Somebody said a figure of 20%...
Risteard
07/07/2008, 9:13 PM
Definitely 20, maybe 25%.
As for Mooney,
Keane is on the case . . . . . how predictable.
At least him and his pub-owner consortium could be thrifty enough to be weeded out of a million sterling.
OneRedArmy
07/07/2008, 9:27 PM
A million sterling isn't enough for MooneyCare to quote precedent that goes wider than Kevin Doyle?
See above re the fact (and there are precious little of those in this thread) that the majority of EL transfers to England have failed to live up to their potential.
Risteard
07/07/2008, 9:43 PM
He's only worth the most clubs will pay for him.
I'd pay two mill for him if i had to but I don't think any club would need to.
If e1.2m is offered Arkaga will have to ask themselves can we make 1.2m out of keeping him.
Salmon Coloured
08/07/2008, 11:45 AM
Anyone know if Longford Town would be due anything if Mooney is sold on by Cork?
GavinZac
08/07/2008, 11:54 AM
Anyone know if Longford Town would be due anything if Mooney is sold on by Cork?
Nope, he was released along with the other players from Longford.
DmanDmythDledge
08/07/2008, 12:12 PM
5% of any potential transfer fee will be distributed to all clubs that Mooney has played for since the age of 12.
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=44
He was with Longford Town for three seasons so they would get 30% of the 5%, which is 1.5% of any future transfer fee. Rovers and whatever schoolboy clubs Mooney played for would also be due something as well.
GavinZac
08/07/2008, 2:07 PM
5% of any potential transfer fee will be distributed to all clubs that Mooney has played for since the age of 12.
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=44
He was with Longford Town for three seasons so they would get 30% of the 5%, which is 1.5% of any future transfer fee. Rovers and whatever schoolboy clubs Mooney played for would also be due something as well.
Well yeah that's the case for every transfer, but I think he meant in terms of a contractual transfer clause the likes of which we have on doyle, bennett and o'donovan.
Martinho II
08/07/2008, 8:58 PM
Nope, he was released along with the other players from Longford.
are you sure? im sure when i read the papers that he went for 25k or maybe i have taken it up wrong??
micls
08/07/2008, 10:20 PM
are you sure? im sure when i read the papers that he went for 25k or maybe i have taken it up wrong??
Afaik that was a development fee because he was u23. He was out of contract
DRDoc
09/07/2008, 12:39 AM
Mooney wasnt released by Longford
Nor did Cork pay a transfer fee for him
His contract was up - so he was a free agent
This was the case with all Longford players - with the exception of Daire Doyle, he had a year to go on a two year contract
Longfordian
09/07/2008, 1:24 AM
Yes Mooney's contract was up but Longford were owed money as micls says for a development fee as we'd had him for over two seasons and he was still under 23 under the regulations, the clubs agreed a figure of 25k to save it going to a tribunal and because we wanted the money in as quick as possible. With a tribunal it can take ages before you actually receive the money. Previous examples of this include Shels not paying for Cawley for about a year and Drogs taking months to pay us the 10k we were awarded for Gartland. Cork paid up promptly and in one sum apparently.
charliesboots
09/07/2008, 4:10 PM
Not wumming here, but I'll just ask again.
Does anybody know if Mooney, like Doyle, has a release clause in his contract activated by an offer of a certain amount?
There was a lot of interest in him from England at the time he joined Cork so I wouldn't be too surprised.
A face
09/07/2008, 6:09 PM
Not wumming here, but I'll just ask again.
Does anybody know if Mooney, like Doyle, has a release clause in his contract activated by an offer of a certain amount?
There was a lot of interest in him from England at the time he joined Cork so I wouldn't be too surprised.
Dere was only one guy that insisted that clause be put into Doyles one.
Only Doyles contract included it particular clause.
Long before we heard of it, the contract was up for review.
And this one individual knew exactly what it would mean and kept it.
Never again will we suffer from it, now that guy is gone.
Not wumming here, but I'll just ask again.
Does anybody know if Mooney, like Doyle, has a release clause in his contract activated by an offer of a certain amount?
There was a lot of interest in him from England at the time he joined Cork so I wouldn't be too surprised.
No. Theres only one player with a clause at the moment, and its not Mooney
Allstar
10/07/2008, 12:18 AM
Who is it?? Gamble??
micls
10/07/2008, 12:21 AM
Who is it?? Gamble??
No. I thought it was widespread knowledge but if its not Im not posting it on here so lazy journos can tell the clubs about it :D
charliesboots
10/07/2008, 2:33 PM
probably the freak Georgie I'd say
GavinZac
10/07/2008, 3:43 PM
probably the freak Georgie I'd say
George isn't even a Cork City player :confused:
Supposedly Colin Healy was persuaded to sign with a release clause that allowed him to join a Premiership/Championship club if they came in for him. His new 3 year contract doesn't feature such a clause.
charliesboots
10/07/2008, 4:02 PM
George isn't even a Cork City player :confused:
Sorry to go off-topic but has George actually been released from his contract or are City going to get a fee for him if he signs for somebody across the water?
GavinZac
10/07/2008, 4:15 PM
Sorry to go off-topic but has George actually been released from his contract or are City going to get a fee for him if he signs for somebody across the water?
His contract is mutually terminated.
Sorry to go off-topic but has George actually been released from his contract or are City going to get a fee for him if he signs for somebody across the water?
Likely get nothing. Will just be happy to get reduce wage bill.
Apparently he has signed for Tranmere now.
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