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rambler14
12/12/2007, 7:27 PM
Has anybody noticed the crowd noise is totally out of sync for setanta's coverage. I did a little investigating and worked out that its the crowd noise from the RANGERS GAME.:eek:How embarrassing?
Young team performing very well i must say.
Pique and Evans looks good at the back. Great goal by Pique too. Bad Defending by Roma, there was a queue behind Pique for the goal.
United look good, passing wise and Rooney looks energetic and commited as a captain.
IT SEEMS THERE WERE 5 UNITED FANS STABBED B4 THE GAME.:eek: DISGRACE
Don't travel to Rome is the answer to not getting stabbed by Roma fans, they're scum, it's what they do
GavinZac
12/12/2007, 7:59 PM
Don't travel to Rome is the answer to not getting stabbed by Roma fans, they're scum, it's what they do
Utd fans are, of course, angels. Isnt it horrible how those nasty guys in every bloody town they go to pick on them?
Rome is a lovely place.
Utd fans are, of course, angels. Isnt it horrible how those nasty guys in every bloody town they go to pick on them?
Rome is a lovely place.
Gavin rides in on his horse of righteousness again I see :rolleyes:
Rome is lovely, Roma fans are known for carrying knives and stabbing away supporters in the ass with them, hence if you are going to insist on being an away fan, in Rome, for a meaningless game then you should know to watch out for scumbags carrying knives. Back in your I have an opinion on everything hole now Gav
GavinZac
12/12/2007, 8:11 PM
Gavin rides in on his horse of righteousness again I see :rolleyes:
Rome is lovely, Roma fans are known for carrying knives and stabbing away supporters in the ass with them, hence if you are going to insist on being an away fan, in Rome, for a meaningless game then you should know to watch out for scumbags carrying knives.A minority of them are, yes, which makes fighting them a rather stupid thing to do and hopefully the United fans that were arrested will see the inside of an Italian cell, its the only way to solve the problem of the english hangers-on creating havoc everywhere they go. Of course, sweeping statements like "Roma fans are known for carrying knives" is a trap you should probably be avoiding.
Back in your I have an opinion on everything hole now GavHow dare I, in General Discussions, discuss something! I hadnt realised this had amalgamated into "Football Feeds".
How dare I, in General Discussions, discuss something! I hadnt realised this had amalgamated into "Football Feeds".
And there he rides off on said horse of righteousness, having once again made no contribution whatsoever, bar to disagree with someone, a hearthy round of applause for Gavin everyone! :rolleyes:
By the way, saying Roma fans are known for carrying knives is not the same as saying All Roma fans are known to carry knives. Just so you can put that on the list of things you were wrong about Gav, like me saying Utd fans are Angels, there's a good lad now :rolleyes::rolleyes:
GavinZac
12/12/2007, 8:23 PM
stabbed by Roma fans, they're scum, it's what they do
*sigh*
you're incapable of admitting error (or seeing it, which would be more worrying) so, while you were the one to first try to end this "discussion" with your "back in your box" routine, I will indeed be the one to "ride off on my horse", reaffirmed as to why I post here so little.
reaffirmed as to why I post here so little.
And my night's work is complete
*Edit, again stabbed by Roma fans, isn't the same as saying stabbed by every Roma fan. The United fans who were stabbed by fans of Roma or Roma fans, are indeed scumbags, and it is what they do. There's another one for your list Gav, good God that list is looking long these days. I'm incapable of seeing wrong, as there is no wrong to see. Read over my posts again there good Sir and then we'll see if you are capable of practicing what you preach and admitting wrong
rambler14
12/12/2007, 8:36 PM
Wes Brown seems to inspire bad football. I mean he comes on for half an hour and within 5 minutes the fella he supposed to be marking scores. I think he should keep stalling on his contract and never sign one for Man Utd again. He seems like a Newcastle player to me!:D
As for Louis Saha flog him in January while ya still can. Hes a disaster. I really hate the player he's become.:mad: Laziest player United have had in quite a while. By the way...Is there some clause in his contract that says he doesn't have to tackle? He tackled Danny Simpson and won the ball but nearly gave Roma a goal in doing so.
Possible swap with Benzema at Lyon?????
Can someone please tell me when Nani shows hes worth his transfer fee?:p
Hes another waste of space. He can't even take a corner. Useless.
Wes Brown seems to inspire bad football. I mean he comes on for half an hour and within 5 minutes the fella he supposed to be marking scores. I think he should keep stalling on his contract and never sign one for Man Utd again. He seems like a Newcastle player to me!:D
As for Louis Saha flog him in January while ya still can. Hes a disaster. I really hate the player he's become.:mad: Laziest player United have had in quite a while. By the way...Is there some clause in his contract that says he doesn't have to tackle? He tackled Danny Simpson and won the ball but nearly gave Roma a goal in doing so.
Possible swap with Benzema at Lyon?????
Can someone please tell me when Nani shows hes worth his transfer fee?
Hes another waste of space. He can't even take a corner. Useless.
Don't post any of your off topic nonsense in here :p
rambler14
12/12/2007, 8:45 PM
Don't post any of your off topic nonsense in here :p
I'm on topic. The thread is called Man Utd vs Roma.
I'm on topic. The thread is called Man Utd vs Roma.
Someone doesn't get the concept of the smiley face anyway
GavinZac
12/12/2007, 8:49 PM
I think I should reconsider my "sane" bracelet for lowering myself to this but anyway...
*Edit, again stabbed by Roma fans, isn't the same as saying stabbed by every Roma fan. The United fans who were stabbed by fans of Roma or Roma fans, are indeed scumbags, and it is what they do.You said:
Don't travel to Rome is the answer to not getting stabbed by Roma fans, they're scum, it's what they do
You are telling the readers not to travel to Rome, because that will save you from being stabbed by Roma fans (I'd have suggested that not being in the tiny minority of Man United "fans" getting involved with the tiny minority of Roma "fans" involved in this). You didn't say a damn thing about United fans being scumbags, and every single part of the sentence was generalised. And then you snap at me for warning against generalisations? I know its christmas and the shops are busy but dont take your work home!
I'm incapable of seeing wrong, as there is no wrong to see. :D are you quoting from creationists just to get a rise out of me?
You are telling the readers not to travel to Rome, because that will save you from being stabbed by Roma fans (I'd have suggested that not being in the tiny minority of Man United "fans" getting involved with the tiny minority of Roma "fans" involved in this). You didn't say a damn thing about United fans being scumbags, and every single part of the sentence was generalised. And then you snap at me for warning against generalisations? I know its christmas and the shops are busy but dont take your work home!
Says he who is testy. Anyway, my original sentence of Don't travel to Rome is the answer to not getting stabbed by Roma fans, they're scum, it's what they do, is the common sense answer to United fans who will complain about the Roma support who attacked. My reasoning is that United fans should know that there is an element, that they will stab you, and that common sense should dictate that if you want to be 100% sure of not getting into trouble then don't travel to Rome for said meaningless game. Afterwards you waded in with your Rome tourist pamphlet, your common sense Brits abroad agenda, and your Dummies Guide to Psychotherapy, and now I have to explain the origins and nature of the :p to some Cobh fan, and you're the one wondering why you bother posting here? :confused:
are you quoting from creationists just to get a rise out of me?
Snap! :D
GavinZac
12/12/2007, 9:10 PM
I have to explain the origins and nature of the :p to some Cobh fan, and you're the one wondering why you bother posting here? :confused: Oh I'm soaking up as much from the ramblers as possible in an attempt to generate some sort of dislike for them having spent last season cheering them on :D
What was the result in this game?
kingdom hoop
12/12/2007, 9:21 PM
And my night's work is complete
You should've rode off on your horse of humour after that piercing witty remark, leaving Gav's horse of righteousness bloodied and panting in your wake. :D
1-1 is right.
GavinZac
12/12/2007, 9:23 PM
You should've rode off on your horse of humour after that piercing witty remark, leaving Gav's horse of righteousness bloodied and panting in your wake. :D
1-1 is right.
Bloody culchies and their livestock obsessions!
feo123
12/12/2007, 9:33 PM
Wes Brown seems to inspire bad football. I mean he comes on for half an hour and within 5 minutes the fella he supposed to be marking scores. I think he should keep stalling on his contract and never sign one for Man Utd again. He seems like a Newcastle player to me!:D
As for Louis Saha flog him in January while ya still can. Hes a disaster. I really hate the player he's become.:mad: Laziest player United have had in quite a while. By the way...Is there some clause in his contract that says he doesn't have to tackle? He tackled Danny Simpson and won the ball but nearly gave Roma a goal in doing so.
Possible swap with Benzema at Lyon?????
Can someone please tell me when Nani shows hes worth his transfer fee?:p
Hes another waste of space. He can't even take a corner. Useless.
Wes brown is one of those players that almost everybody thinks he's no good. fact is, hes a very solid defender, and has been fantastic so far this season playing out of position at right back. i think he'd be a big loss to united if he leaves! hopefully something can be agreed very soon. that goal tonight wasn't his fault.
and as for saying Nani cant take corners....who crossed the ball for the goal?
who took the corner when vidic scored against everton, and ronaldo against blackburn? forgetting his goals against middlesbrough and totteham aswell? im not saying he has re-paid his transfer fee yet, but it'd be nearly impossible for him to have done, he's only started about 2 games in the last 6 weeks!
I know where youre coming from with Saha, but theres still a bit of class about him. his control is class.
kingdom hoop
12/12/2007, 9:36 PM
Bloody culchies and their livestock obsessions!
Usually handy to conjure a metaphor alright. Evocative and easy to understand, even for brain dead city folk usually.
What do you use? Some new-fangled city-slicker contraption like traffic lights or cars? :p
GavinZac
12/12/2007, 9:40 PM
What do you use? Some new-fangled city-slicker contraption like traffic lights or cars? :p
Those, or characters from The OC.
rambler14
12/12/2007, 10:10 PM
and as for saying Nani cant take corners....who crossed the ball for the goal?
who took the corner when vidic scored against everton, and ronaldo against blackburn? forgetting his goals against middlesbrough and totteham aswell? im not saying he has re-paid his transfer fee yet, but it'd be nearly impossible for him to have done, he's only started about 2 games in the last 6 weeks!
1 in 10 corners beat the front man. Not good enough for Accrington Stanley never mind Man Utd. For a club like Man Utd at least 8 out of 10 have to beat the front man.
cheifo
12/12/2007, 10:40 PM
My pet hate in modern football is how many times pros on gazillions of pounds a week cannot beat the first man when taking corners.This is despite a much lighter ball.Maybe its nostalgia on my part but I can't remember players failing at this simple task when I watched footy in the eighties as a kid.
While playing for the gunners the amount of times Henry hit insipid corners onto the chest of the first defender was as David Coleman use to say....quite extroadinary(do his voice in your head!).
This phenomenom deseves a thread of its own but I not getting invovled because it drives me nuts.
gilberto_eire
12/12/2007, 11:25 PM
5 stabbed over in Rome, down right cowards is all them itialian hoolies are with knives, even the scum in england dont usually use weapons, seems standard issue over there!!.
you'd wonder was this the ''red devils'' firm or just regular fans?
Roma's equaliser cost me a 25/1 bet...raging had the other 5 games right, EVERY time that happens to me in football accumalators *raging*
kingdom hoop
12/12/2007, 11:27 PM
This phenomenom deseves a thread of its own but I not getting invovled because it drives me nuts.
:D
I agree with you. Maybe the tactics are often to play for a flick on off the first man or something? Regardless, some of deliveries in the Rangers match tonight for example were shameful for all those individuals, and their extended families, involved.
Its about time that Italian clubs were banned from european football and told to clean up their act. Every single club that visits Italy is experiencing this sort of nonsense. Even in the dark days of the early 80's knifes were not used in GB.
The night before Liverpool players were pelted with missiles from the Marseille fans from all sections in the ground.
If either of these incidents above happened in England every supporter of English football would be vilified and the clubs would probably be fined and banned.
As far as I can see, English club fans are now amongst the better behaved fans in Europe as a result of anti-hooligan measures. Its about time the Italians/Dutch/French/Turks did the same.
Of course Liverpool fans are still the worst, aren't they Michel!!
GavinZac
13/12/2007, 11:24 AM
Its about time that Italian clubs were banned from european football and told to clean up their act. Every single club that visits Italy is experiencing this sort of nonsense. Even in the dark days of the early 80's knifes were not used in GB.
The night before Liverpool players were pelted with missiles from the Marseille fans from all sections in the ground.
If either of these incidents above happened in England every supporter of English football would be vilified and the clubs would probably be fined and banned.
As far as I can see, English club fans are now amongst the better behaved fans in Europe as a result of anti-hooligan measures. Its about time the Italians/Dutch/French/Turks did the same.
Just as an aside, what would happen if Marseille played Roma? Do these incidents with spaniards/french/italians ever not involve an english club? if not, is there some linking factor we can identify?
Of course Liverpool fans are still the worst, aren't they Michel!!It takes a long time to wash blood from your hands.
gustavo
13/12/2007, 11:27 AM
. Every single club that visits Italy is experiencing this sort of nonsense.!
I have only heard it reported about with British teams :confused:
Lim till i die
13/12/2007, 12:08 PM
5 stabbed over in Rome, down right cowards is all them itialian hoolies are with knives, even the scum in england dont usually use weapons, seems standard issue over there!!.
All hooligans are cowards.
It just seems the English ones match this with a large dose of stupidity
you'd wonder was this the ''red devils'' firm or just regular fans?
You might.
I'd say the vast majority of people couldn't give a ****
Roma's equaliser cost me a 25/1 bet...raging had the other 5 games right, EVERY time that happens to me in football accumalators *raging
It's because you bet on SIX games ;) :rolleyes:
Dodge
13/12/2007, 12:34 PM
Its about time that Italian clubs were banned from european football and told to clean up their act. Every single club that visits Italy is experiencing this sort of nonsense.
The irony of a liverpool fan having a go at italian hooligans.
reder
13/12/2007, 12:50 PM
The irony of a liverpool fan having a go at italian hooligans.
Well it depends on what way you look at it. As a result of Heysel we cleaned up our act and we are now recognised as one of the best behaved groups of fans in europe and the particularily the UK nowadays.
We have links built with clubs throughout europe and travel to the likes of Turkey, Greece, Holland (which are hotbeds of hooliganism nowadays) with absolutely no issues. Of course, these type of things are not reported in the media because people only want to know about negatives.
Fighting at away games was part of the event in the 80's, thankfully that has changed now.
Oh course, no Italians rioted at Heysel!!
reder
13/12/2007, 12:55 PM
I have only heard it reported about with British teams :confused:
That says everything about your level of knowledge of european club football from a travelling fans point of view. You obviously dont get to football matches on the continent that much.
Dodge
13/12/2007, 12:59 PM
Well it depends on what way you look at it. As a result of Heysel we cleaned up our act and we are now recognised as one of the best behaved groups of fans in europe and the particularily the UK nowadays.
We have links built with clubs throughout europe and travel to the likes of Turkey, Greece, Holland (which are hotbeds of hooliganism nowadays) with absolutely no issues.
So no trouble at all then in Athens? Those videos made up? How much trouble have Italian fans had in Turkey, Greece or Holland. I'll bet you anythign you like it was less than Liverpool fans
jmurphyc
13/12/2007, 1:08 PM
So no trouble at all then in Athens? Those videos made up? How much trouble have Italian fans had in Turkey, Greece or Holland. I'll bet you anythign you like it was less than Liverpool fans
From what I've heard it was almost completely UEFA's fault. Bad stadium to play it in - no turnstiles FFS - and the police seemed to be looking for trouble. Admittedly there were a few Liverpool fans causing trouble, but a very, very small minority.
GavinZac
13/12/2007, 1:11 PM
From what I've heard it was almost completely UEFA's fault. Bad stadium to play it in - no turnstiles FFS - and the police seemed to be looking for trouble. Admittedly there were a few Liverpool fans causing trouble, but a very, very small minority.
Its always a very small minority. The fans that fought in Rome last night were a small minority. Unfortunately, a small minority is enough.
The Good Son
13/12/2007, 1:11 PM
That says everything about your level of knowledge of european club football from a travelling fans point of view. You obviously dont get to football matches on the continent that much.
While it's obvious that Italian football has its hooligan problems, I've been to a good few games in Italy and have never seen trouble, then again I've never been when an English club was in town, so maybe that's it.
From what I've heard it was almost completely UEFA's fault. Bad stadium to play it in - no turnstiles FFS - and the police seemed to be looking for trouble. Admittedly there were a few Liverpool fans causing trouble, but a very, very small minority.
Laughable. And there 1000s of Italians stabbing utd fans last night? And it wasn't UEFA that had roaming gangs robbing tickets off their fellow scousers
jmurphyc
13/12/2007, 1:24 PM
Laughable. And there 1000s of Italians stabbing utd fans last night? And it wasn't UEFA that had roaming gangs robbing tickets off their fellow scousers
But there were no incidents of stabbing in Athens. Although it can be a very fine line. Whilst robbing a ticket is obviously totally and utterly wrong, it can't end someone's life. I'm not condoning the actions from some of the Liverpool fans, but UEFA didn't help by giving **** all tickets to both sets of supporters and giving loads to dignitaries, etc. 17,000 tickets were given to each set of fans.
Laughable. And there 1000s of Italians stabbing utd fans last night? And it wasn't UEFA that had roaming gangs robbing tickets off their fellow scousers
Gangs werent roaming trying to rob ticket. It was little idiots who were near the ticket check points. When a genuine fan took out their ticket to go into the game they snatched it from them.
Dont get we wrong, I am as disgusted by this as anyone is. Shame is this type of nonsense still goes on. At the Porto game one idiot was trying to barge through the turnstile behind his mate who had a ticket. He was dragged out by other fans and handed to the police thankfully.
Milan and Liverpool fans have a good relationship, there was never any problems between us. Roma hate us after winning the EC on their patch.
placid casual
13/12/2007, 2:12 PM
Italian football has a serious problem with hooliganism,derived from the ultras scene.
english football gave birth to holliganism ,the mother of which was liverpool scallies robbing sports gear all over italy when they had a team in the 70's & 80's.
whether it be italy,spain,france,wherever..... the locals only see english football fans as the torchbearers of hollie behavious so every juan,allesandro & michele wants their go at the english.
oh and the point about roma being ****ed off at liverpool for winning the EC in 82/83? is true. they bear a serious grudge about that. i've been to enough roma games to feel their ire for revenge
next season the chapms league final is in the decrepit stadio olympico and roma want to be there againsy liverpool to avenge the defeat
. Even in the dark days of the early 80's knifes were not used in GB.
No they just used iron bars, rocks, razorblades, anything they could get their hands on, oh and knives too, oh wait
beautifulrock
13/12/2007, 3:21 PM
No they just used iron bars, rocks, razorblades, anything they could get their hands on, oh and knives too, oh wait
Agreed but you are forgetting the old fav, the Stanley knife, especially the one with two blades and a match in between to make stiching the slash almost imposible.
Lim till i die
13/12/2007, 4:52 PM
As a result of Heysel we cleaned up our act and we are now recognised as one of the best behaved groups of fans in europe and the particularily the UK nowadays.
By UEFA is it??
Oh, wait..........
Oh course, no Italians rioted at Heysel!!
Disgusting.
Billy Lord
13/12/2007, 11:36 PM
Don't travel to Rome is the answer to not getting stabbed by Roma fans, they're scum, it's what they do
If that was the case everyone arriving in Rome would be stabbed at the airports because - as any Roman will tell you - it would make life easier for all.
I was at the game and the vast majority of United fans got on fine around town and the locals left them alone as those smarter Reds - of which there are many - were just out for a good time and Rome is accustomed to drunken tourists. It's certainly a lot safer than most of the larger towns and cities in Ireland.
However, before the game around 50 United fans charged across the bridge at the Curva Sud end of the Stadio Olimpico in a clearly premeditated attack on the Roma fans who traditionally congregate there and all hell broke loose. It's terrible that some of them were stabbed, but what were they looking for if it wasn't violence? I can think of many more pleasant ways of passing an evening and, thankfully, most Reds and Romanistas think likewise. The rest of us had a ball.
CollegeTillIDie
19/12/2007, 6:17 PM
Was talking to a friend who was at the Roma game and was in the Roma end for the game.
He told me that 50 United fans charged a bunch of Roma fans. And 5 of that small group ended up being stabbed. Not very smart to charge at home fans who have a dodgy reputation for violence on their turf one would think!
GavinZac
19/12/2007, 6:30 PM
Was talking to a friend who was at the Roma game and was in the Roma end for the game.
He told me that 50 United fans charged a bunch of Roma fans. And 5 of that small group ended up being stabbed. Not very smart to charge at home fans who have a dodgy reputation for violence on their turf one would think!
These same "fans" are the ones responsible for the actions of police in spain and for the violence in France, and the media are quick to blame anyone EXCEPT english fans for the mess.
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