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rebelarmyexile
06/03/2008, 3:41 PM
C'mon McCain
Obama won Mississippi as expected. Extra 6 delegates so he leads by between 108-152 depending on media source.
Seen an interesting Report (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Mar11.html) showing delegate totals if Democrats used the first past the post system like the Republicans. Clinton would lead by 177 excluding the super delegates which is presumably as she has won majority of larger states.
Latest polls (primary polls have been fairly accurate) show Obama with 8 point lead in North Carolina & Clinton with 15-20 lead in Pennsylvania.
Suggestions that they will rerun Florida & Michigan possibly with a postal primary presumably to keep costs down.
BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7588435.stm)
US Republican presidential hopeful John McCain has picked Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska, as his surprise running mate.
At 44, she is three years younger than Barack Obama and is credited with reforms during her first term, but she is relatively unknown in US politics.
Inexperienced black guy picks experienced white guy. Old white guy picks young woman! If McCain wins means she would be first female Presidential nominee in 2012. Looks like a grab for the Hillary votes...
:eek:
Torn-Ado
30/08/2008, 3:56 PM
I'd give her one.
Plastic Paddy
31/08/2008, 4:27 PM
...what, a vote? :rolleyes:
Unfortunately the vast majority of USAnian voters will exercise no more discretion than yours in making their selection. A cynical choice by McCain aimed at persuading an unsophisticated electorate. And the b*stard may yet win as a result. God help all of us living in the vassal states...
:ball: PP
Torn-Ado
31/08/2008, 5:45 PM
...what, a vote? :rolleyes:
Unfortunately the vast majority of USAnian voters will exercise no more discretion than yours in making their selection. A cynical choice by McCain aimed at persuading an unsophisticated electorate. And the b*stard may yet win as a result. God help all of us living in the vassal states...
:ball: PP
No. Intercourse.
No. Intercourse.
Be off to Totty Watch. ;)
Evangelicals will like her anti abortion stance but she is also involved in an ethics scandal in Alaska.
McCain has had ill health so he could die in office. Would mean Senator with only two years experience representing a state of small population leading the the US of A.
Bad choice by McCain as he can't use Obama's inexperience against him as much now. Any Clinton-Democrat willing to switch sides because of Palin probably would have done so anyway so I don't it's a ploy that will work for him
Newryrep
01/09/2008, 8:03 PM
Her 17 year old daughter is 5 months pregnant
Her 17 year old daughter is 5 months pregnant
I love the way Palin announced here daughter was keeping the child & would be marrying the father. Something tells me the daughter didn't have a big part in the marriage decision. It shouldn't make any difference to politics but then again Palin was in part picked because of her "moral" beliefs.
I thought McCain had more substance but he seems to have abandoned all his previous beliefs to get elected so nothing left with nothing.
McCain has had ill health so he could die in office
Great post. Made me do an actual spittake against the screen
Seena report on US TV where Obama dismissed the 17 year old as an issue "Family is off limits, and children are especially off limits", cut to studio and conservative political analyst; "hhmm Makes you wonder what he's hiding?!"
Brilliant TV.
Great post. Made me do an actual spittake against the screen.
Story on probability of McCain reaching 80 years old (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13096.html)
According to these statistics, there is a roughly 1 in 3 chance that a 72-year-old man will not reach the age of 80, which is how old McCain would be at the end of a second presidential term. And that doesn’t factor in individual medical history, such as McCain’s battles with potentially lethal skin cancer.
But for a man who has lived 72 years and 67 days (McCain’s age on Election Day this year), there is between a 14.2 and 15.1 percent chance of dying before Inauguration Day 2013
McCain probably has a worse medical history than other 72 year olds but on the flip side he would get the best medical care possible so any problems would be caught early. e.g. Ted Kennedy recent recovery.
;)
pineapple stu
04/09/2008, 12:45 PM
McCain probably has a worse medical history than other 72 year olds
Are you basing that on anything? Anything at all, like?
Are you basing that on anything? Anything at all, like?
It was mainly in jest but he has already had skin cancer.
I knew it was in jest Pete. Just made me laugh.
This is truly bizarre - clearly this lady is utterly unqualified to be the next president - which if McCain wins she has a decent statistical chance of doing.
Utterly unqualifed and utterly unvetted. This says more about McCains lurch to the right to appeal to Limbaugh, Imus and the eh, fair and balanced journalists over at Fox.
This is the first time in memory where a republican candidate has run to the left during the primaries and right during the general.
On a serious note, none of this relevant to mcCains abaility to be president BUT it does say that he is beholden to these people and remeber where you heard it first, if he wins, he will appoint the usual; bunch of neocon freaks to key positions - because he will owe them.
This guy is dangerous.
The US will regret it for a generation if they do not elect Obama - for all his flaws and executive inexperience, he is the most talented politican for 50 years and would be someone (so long as he never visits a Southern city like, eh, Dallas !!) who would make the US proud
Was watching the Daily Show earlier & Newt Gingrich was plugging a book joining on the jokes etc... In the middle of it he did make a good point - if the Democrats go after Palin for her lack of experience to be VP then it opens the door to go after Obamas lack of experience to be President. I read that Palin was a last minute decision which meant the usual background checks were not completed.
I wonder if McCain the candidate is embarrassed by the overkill on POW "experience" during the convention...
if the Democrats go after Palin for her lack of experience to be VP then it opens the door to go after Obamas lack of experience to be President.
yes, but theyve been going after Obamas lack of experience the whole time anyway. if anything they are only negating the effect of their own biggest advantage, his lack of experience
strangeirish
04/09/2008, 10:35 PM
Speaking of the the Daily Show (http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/09/jon-stewart-ann.html)
The guy(Stewart) is the best!:D
Speaking of the the Daily Show (http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/09/jon-stewart-ann.html)
The guy(Stewart) is the best!:D
That was on tonight. Pinheards! Brilliant. :D
Inexperienced President is a lot different to VP. After the election VP forgotten about for the next 4 years.
Inexperienced President is a lot different to VP. After the election VP forgotten about for the next 4 years.
Until the president dies pete...
Inexperienced President is a lot different to VP. After the election VP forgotten about for the next 4 years.
Not at all. McCain is basically saying that if something were to happen to him that his VP is the most suitable person to lead the country, which she clearly isn't, and when you take into account McCain's age there is every reason to believe that something might happen to him in the next 4-8 years.
Plus you seem to think Obama is as inexperienced as Palin, which he isn't
Third Party candidate challenges McCain (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/old_grizzled_third_party)
Should make things a bit more interesting :)
strangeirish
09/09/2008, 5:09 PM
Third Party candidate challenges McCain (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/old_grizzled_third_party)
Should make things a bit more interesting :)
Eh, yeah. Sweet smell of onion!
Third Party candidate challenges McCain (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/old_grizzled_third_party)
Should make things a bit more interesting :)
Damn you, Pete. You made me get Coke all down my shirt, what with all the laughter.
Damn you, Pete. You made me get Coke all down my shirt, what with all the laughter.
Obvious but still funny. Had tears of laughter myself.
Did any one else hear the Obama speech today where he said "if you put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig..." He needs to stay away from comedy :eek:
dancinpants
10/09/2008, 6:11 PM
Did any one else hear the Obama speech today where he said "if you put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig..." He needs to stay away from comedy :eek:
Whats "comedy" about it? Its a saying. :confused:
Whats "comedy" about it? Its a saying. :confused:
Would he not have been wiser to choose a different saying?
sadloserkid
16/09/2008, 10:58 AM
Would he not have been wiser to choose a different saying?
Of course it would have been much wiser. But there's nothing like a panicky nest of liberals to make bad decisions.
The "Independent" ads have started... McCain "swift boated"?
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Full story here (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94640700)
Sunday, for instance, a group called Brave New PAC put up an ad on MSNBC and CNN. It features Phillip Butler, a former Navy pilot, Vietnam prisoner of war and contemporary of McCain's at the Naval Academy and in the POW camps.
The ad aims at the core of McCain's image — his reputation as a POW and Vietnam War hero.
"He would blow up and go off like a Roman candle. John McCain is not somebody that I would like to see with his finger near the red button," Butler says in the ad.
Monday afternoon, McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds called the ad "vile" and said it was put out "apparently at the behest" of the Obama campaign.
ArdeeBhoy
20/09/2008, 10:49 AM
Anyone but McCain, who's a deluded geriatric. As someone once said, "He's the wrong kind of Republican......"
McCain v Obama tax plans (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html)
Tax cuts for all under McCain but Obama increases tax for those over $600k.
Removed from youtube so watch on NBC (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/palin-hillary-open/656281/)
Saturday Night Live - Sarah Palin & Hillary Clinton
Tina Fey is Brilliant. :D
Well, we are through the looking glass now people.
McCain suspends the campaign to return to Washington to help with the crisis. Obama calls his bluff in a masterful performance.
McCain is all over the place - getting killed in the polls - getting killed on the economy and plays the ultimate political political stunt
For complete legend on this go to Dave - http://lateshow.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/
..who flays him alive.
This is amateur hour - unfortunately the guy is losing it. My prediction is that he continues to get killed in the polls and in order to close the gap, the GOP will pull out the big guns - namely the race card.
Expect one last push from the southern chapter of the GOP in one final attempt to close the gap.
Utterly devoid of credibility and integrity, these people
dancinpants
25/09/2008, 4:52 PM
Yeah, he looks like he's on the ropes a wee bit alright but he's been there before. And on top of that there is, relatively speaking, a long way to go yet. Plenty of time for an October surprise to be wheeled out.
And then that Palin wan, jaysus but she's dim. Katie Couric yesterday asked her about a McCain advisor being linked with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Her answer was terrible, I was actually embarassed for her.
EDIT: Heres the link:
Vbg6hF0nShQ
And I think it was a couple of weeks ago she was asked a question (must see if its on youtube somewhere) on energy policy, and even Wolf Blitzer came out and alluded that her answer made no sense whatsoever.
EDIT: Here it is : http://www.wikio.com/video/453090
Yeah, he looks like he's on the ropes a wee bit alright but he's been there before. And on top of that there is, relatively speaking, a long way to go yet. Plenty of time for an October surprise to be wheeled out.
And then that Palin wan, jaysus but she's dim. Katie Couric yesterday asked her about a McCain advisor being linked with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Her answer was terrible, I was actually embarassed for her.
EDIT: Heres the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg6hF0nShQ
And I think it was a couple of weeks ago she was asked a question (must see if its on youtube somewhere) on energy policy, and even Wolf Blitzer came out and alluded that her answer made no sense whatsoever.
EDIT: Here it is : http://www.wikio.com/video/453090
Stunning _ should be illegal to do that to the english language
Until the president dies pete...
What are the chances of that :p
CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/26/debate.mississippi/index.html)
Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain will participate in Friday night's debate with his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama, McCain campaign staff said.
It is on at 8pm Mississippi time Saturday.
SMorgan
26/09/2008, 10:08 PM
I am surprised that none of the satellite channels are covering the debate live.
I would have thought it would have been on Sky, CNN Fox or the BBC.
jebus
26/09/2008, 11:06 PM
Jack Cafferty on Sarah Palin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc)
:D:D:D
tetsujin1979
27/09/2008, 2:51 AM
Watched part of the debate earlier, McCain didn't come off very well, and was corrected by Obama far more than he corrected Obama.
strangeirish
27/09/2008, 3:38 AM
Thought Obama shaded it. Foreign policy is supposed to be McCains strong suit. Didn't happen and was factually incorrect on a lot of stuff.
SMorgan
27/09/2008, 6:01 AM
Watched part of the debate earlier, McCain didn't come off very well, and was corrected by Obama far more than he corrected Obama.
It was strange to hear Ireland's corperate tax being a point made in a US presidedtial debate. I am not sure the reference would have been welcomed in Dublin.
jebus
27/09/2008, 11:28 AM
Watched the debate live last night and picked out a couple of things along some others that I was talking to online about it whilst it was ongoing.(NERDS!) Also was looking at the CNN voter response throughout and I'll include what that was showing for those who missed it
- McCain's strategy was to try and focus the debate on Obama's mistakes, typical answer to what tax cuts he would provide as President was to make reference to a bill Obama supported that caused tax waste (he was lying about a lot of it though). This didn't go down well with independents or Democrats using the CNN approval tracker, and he Republicans weren't overly happy with the points he was making
- On Iraq and Afghanistan Obama absolutely killed McCain. McCain had bracelet stories for Christs' sake, where as Obama set out his plan for a timetabled withdrawl from Iraq to focus on the Taliban once again. Obama pointing out that McCain had said in 2003 that the Afghan campaign would be quick and easy, that McCain had said the Iraqis would greet America with open arms, that McCain had made threatening noises about North Korea and Iran, and that McCain had alluded to not talking to the Spanish PM unless he was onside with America scored the highest ratings of the night across the board, even Republicans thought he was doing very well here. Best quote of the night came from Obama after McCain started talking about the 2007 surge yet again, 'The way you talk sometimes John it's like you think the war started in 2007, it didn't'
- McCain refused to look at Obama throughout the debate, not once was he caught on camera doing so. Myself and the other lot that were posting about were divided as to whether it was a sign of disrespect to Obama (some said he may as well start calling him 'Boy' with the attitude he's showing) or to whether he couldn't look at him as he wasn't given a straight answer. Personally I think it wa sthe latter. McCain always came across as being an honest enough politician before he got this nomination, and I honestly believe the Karl Rove tactics his campaign have employed doesn't sit right with him. He's doing it, but he doesn't like doing it.
Overall the debate strengthened Obama's grip on this election. In the last few weeks the McCain campaign have made blunder after blunder and couldn't capitalise on what was Obama's weakest moment (he had a bad August, let's face it). If Joe Biden does what I think he's gonna do to that idiot Palin next Thursday then the election could be all but sealed. I expect McCain's campaign to really step up the dirty tricks in October though, more of saying Obama's a muslim, probably try and rake something up on Joe Biden and they'll look to use the Rev Wright thing again
Noelys Guitar
27/09/2008, 12:48 PM
It was strange to hear Ireland's corperate tax being a point made in a US presidedtial debate. I am not sure the reference would have been welcomed in Dublin.
Details please. Who made the comment and in what context?
Details please. Who made the comment and in what context?
McCain mentioned our 11% corporate tax rate as a reason why he was preparing to give US buisnesses tax breaks up to 300 billion dollars. He said they need to lower tax rates for companies so they don't look elsewhere, what he didn't say was that he wasn't lowering the corporate tax to a level that would compete with Ireland, Poland, India, wherever, he was just giving the wealthy a bit of extra pockey money
dancinpants
28/09/2008, 4:47 AM
McCain's strategy was to try and focus the debate on Obama's mistakes
Yeah, he also went for the 'inexperienced' thing too, by the embarassingly over used use of the words "Senator Obama doesn't understand".
On Iraq and Afghanistan Obama absolutely killed McCain.
Wouldn't say he 'killed' him to be honest, but certainly showed that he could more then hold his own against a McCain that was, at every opportunity, doing as much name dropping as possible to emphasise how long he's been around.
McCain refused to look at Obama throughout the debate, not once was he caught on camera doing so.
Did you notice that when the came on to stage, McCains face as they were shaking hands and turning to go to their podiums? I swear, I'm no mind reader, but I gaurantee you McCain was thinking "Yeah, fcuk you Obama". The look of disdain, IMO, was really obvious. :eek: But as you alluded to, his campaign managers have probabaly instilled that in him.
Overall the debate strengthened Obama's grip on this election. In the last few weeks the McCain campaign have made blunder after blunder and couldn't capitalise on what was Obama's weakest moment (he had a bad August, let's face it). If Joe Biden does what I think he's gonna do to that idiot Palin next Thursday then the election could be all but sealed. I expect McCain's campaign to really step up the dirty tricks in October though, more of saying Obama's a muslim, probably try and rake something up on Joe Biden and they'll look to use the Rev Wright thing again
I agree, it was one of the first nails in McCains coffin. I think it was closer than you, but it was McCain that needed a decisive outcome not Obama. Obama just had to stay the course - and he done that with some to spare I feel. The next debate will probably be entirely centered around the economy and Obama should win that one at a canter. Now, the VP Debate may actually not be as straight forward as it looks. Biden really has to walk a tightrope on this one....lets face it Biden, as he's proved over the last couple of weeks, is MORE than capable of making serious gaffs. He has to make it out that he's not INTENTIONALLY trying to make Palin look dense (and thats going to be VERY hard to do) because if he does she can pickup sympathy support, and more female support as Biden also has to avoid saying something that even sounds remotely condescending as that would be construed as sexist.
Still expecting some sort of October Surprise, but that might be the pessimist in me. Don't see Wright being raised in any substantive way again - it really has been done to death, people for the most part don't give a **** any more. Was funny actually, CNN got emails complaining about the amount of stories being carried about Palin and how unfair it was. At the end of the segment the anchor said: "Reports about Palin since her unveiling? 26. Stories about Obama and the Rev Wright affair ALONE? 54"...kinda thought fair play to that anchor.
Very poor "debate" overall but they seem to be always like that. Moderator did nothing but I suppose he has to make sure does not favour either candidate.
McCain was the more attack minded & I think overall he probably won but National defence is his strength anyway. The economy will be the most important topic as the campaign progresses & Obama will have plenty of opportunities to attack McCain.
I was interesting to try watch putting myself in Americans shoes as some of those voters look the "America is great" line that McCain added.
It was very poor that neither candidate could name spending plans that he would have to drop due to massive financial system bail out despite probing by the Moderator. You can watch debate on RTE & BBC websites.
Do the VP candidates have debates? Don't think it would matter for votes but might be more entertaining as they would be allowed off the leash a bit more.
Dodge
28/09/2008, 11:53 AM
Do the VP candidates have debates?
Thursday @ 9 (US eastern time)
Don't see how you thought McCain won though
dahamsta
28/09/2008, 3:00 PM
Missed it, and the repeat, is it on anywhere else this evening?
I don't think I could watch a VP debate without figuring out how to vomit and cry at the same time.
adam
strangeirish
28/09/2008, 3:49 PM
Missed it, and the repeat, is it on anywhere else this evening?
adam
You can watch the whole thing here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-nNIEduEOw)
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