Secret All-Ireland league talks at 'advanced' stage

[dcfcsteve]

For starters from a proper sponsorship deal, one where the sponsors actually play an active roll in promoting the league which carries they're name. secondly the league/Fai need to start seriously pumping cash into marketing their product and thirdly the clubs do need to market themselves to their communities but I dont think say Bohs advertising their friday game on radio/tv would have the same impact as the entire league being advertised properly in the media. if setanta were to come on board official sponsors, show more games and advertise the way sky advertise the premiership (they do it for the setanta cup) you'd be surprised the difference it would make. Most people think the premiership is the be all and end all because its rammed down their throats

Let's assume for the sake of arguement that that answers the marketing question.

How about facilities then ? Do you want other people to take responsibility for that as well ? :confused: How about all the otehr off-the-pitch things - establishing proper back-room set-ups, professional staff, youth academies etc. Where would the money for all of these sensible things come from ?

Sounds like you're happy for clubs to pump all their money into playing staff -and expect everyone else to take the lion's share of responsibility fro all the other activities a sport's club should be involved in. If not - then how do you suggest clubs are weaned off 'chasing the dragon' of success, and indulge in some cold financial turkey instead ?

[Block G Raptor]

Ok fair point Steve. but it is painfully obvious to clubs now just what is at stake if they chase the dragon as you so eloquently put it that a wage cap is not necessary. the main thing that worries me is if the wage cap is in place then how can we keep players here instead of them going to scunthorpe or accrington stanley et al for more money. also it will keep small clubs small and do nothing to break the top clubs stranglehold on the league. people say that it will level the playing field when in fact all it will do is ensure the status quo big teams with more money have a higher wage potential and so attract the better players whilst the so called smaller clubs can't spend so cant attract players so stay crap and won't attract new fans thus not earning extra money and so forth in an ouroborous fashion

[Poor Student]

also it will keep small clubs small and do nothing to break the top clubs stranglehold on the league.

If small clubs spend more than 65% of their turnover on wages they won't even be small, they'll be bust, ask Ronan Seery. You don't seem to get that clubs spending over that level are not working on a sustainable spending structure that will let the club stand on its own two feet. Fiscally prudent clubs would try to spend even less than that on wages. I think Celtic operate under a 50% figure as per the last financial results.

[Block G Raptor]

If small clubs spend more than 65% of their turnover on wages they won't even be small, they'll be bust, ask Ronan Seery. You don't seem to get that clubs spending over that level are not working on a sustainable spending structure that will let the club stand on its own two feet. Fiscally prudent clubs would try to spend even less than that on wages. I think Celtic operate under a 50% figure as per the last financial results.

Yes I realise that. but let's hypothetically say that Robbie Keane decided to come home from from england and sign for his local team (rovers Obviously) for whatever mad cap reason. but he want's 2,500 a week but rovers are only allowed 2,000 a week.Now Obviously a high profile signing like this would see rovers crowds swell exponentially there by boosting their turnover except they cant sign him cause they're not allowed to break the wage cap so he fcuks off the merthyr Tidfyl or wherever. I know its fantasy to think a such a high profile transfer would ever happen but I'm sure you see where Im coming from. I think a Wage cap will effect clubs like rovers(who have a huge dormant fan base that could be re-awakened) and Galway / Limerick who are from big cities with a large population and could generate a whole new fanbase from bandwagon jumpers in the wake of a surprise high profile signing

or in short Let the clubs decide how much they can SAFELY pay players based on projected returns, not hinder clubs in ever having the opportunity to make the one high profile signing that could transform a club

[MariborKev]

Can you go away and read how the wage cap works, other League it is in operation in etc before wasting everyone's time?

[OneRedArmy]

Yes I realise that. but let's hypothetically say that Robbie Keane decided to come home from from england and sign for his local team (rovers Obviously) for whatever mad cap reason. but he want's 2,500 a week but rovers are only allowed 2,000 a week.Now Obviously a high profile signing like this would see rovers crowds swell exponentially there by boosting their turnover except they cant sign him cause they're not allowed to break the wage cap so he fcuks off the merthyr Tidfyl or wherever. I know its fantasy to think a such a high profile transfer would ever happen but I'm sure you see where Im coming from. I think a Wage cap will effect clubs like rovers(who have a huge dormant fan base that could be re-awakened) and Galway / Limerick who are from big cities with a large population and could generate a whole new fanbase from bandwagon jumpers in the wake of a surprise high profile signingErr, simply do what any sport with a wage cap does and structure the payments in a back-end loaded fashion which allows you to remain within the cap.

[Schumi]

let's hypothetically say that Robbie Keane decided to come home from from england and sign for his local team (rovers Obviously) for whatever mad cap reason. but he want's 2,500 a week but rovers are only allowed 2,000 a week.Now Obviously a high profile signing like this would see rovers crowds swell exponentially there by boosting their turnover except they cant sign him cause they're not allowed to break the wage capThis isn't a maximum wage being implemented. In this situation, Rovers could cut €500 off their wage bill from somewhere else (release a mid-ranking player or a couple of reserves) to fund the extra part of Keane's wages.

[Block G Raptor]

Can you go away and read how the wage cap works, other League it is in operation in etc before wasting everyone's time?

My understanding is that a club may spend 65% of there turnover on wages
the example i gave above was taking that into account ie the player was demanding a salary that would have pushed the club above the wage cap based of the previous years earning's, however signing him would have allowed the club generate vastly more money with said player in the team than they had the previous year there by improving said clubs position both on and off the park but instead because of the wage cap they missed the opportunity

[Block G Raptor]

This isn't a maximum wage being implemented. In this situation, Rovers could cut €500 off their wage bill from somewhere else (release a mid-ranking player or a couple of reserves) to fund the extra part of Keane's wages.
Great so a wage cap is not only going to hinder clubs it's also going to lead to a lot more unemployed footballers if they can just be off loaded at the drop of a hat to allow for decent signings

[GavinZac]

Great so a wage cap is not only going to hinder clubs it's also going to lead to a lot more unemployed footballers if they can just be off loaded at the drop of a hat to allow for decent signings

How exactly does it change footballer's rights in any way?

[CollegeTillIDie]

How exactly does it change footballer's rights in any way?

It means they are less likely to receive rubber bouncing cheques :D