Who do you believe will get the job. And why [Archive]

Noelys Guitar

01/12/2007, 10:38 PM

I believe it will be O'Leary. I believe he will convince Howe and Givens that he is the right man for the job. He might come across on the telly as a tosser but O'Leary is is far from being a fool. And I disagree with Cascarino's view that O'Leary is the most disliked man in English football. He got the Leeds job and overall did a good job. He did ok at Villa. I feel like kicking in the TV anytime he comes on but thats not the point here. He is popular with a particular strand of English society (conservative. Not so much tories just conservative in views). And I feel Howe and Givens are old school types themselves. And they will eventually put forward O'Leary's name to the FAI for rubber stamping. I am not convinced that Venables will want to be interviewed. I just can't see it happening. Souness has a better chance of becoming Scotland manager. Haan has no real chance. Daglish who has now put his name forward has some chance. But like Venables does not want to be interviewed for the job. Kinnear no chance. Hodgson and Brady are 2 and 3. Hodgson is willing to be interviewed and will make a compelling case to be given the job. Brady likewise. If Hodgson can convince the 2 Don's that he can control this group of players then he will pip O'Leary.

genethekerryman

01/12/2007, 10:44 PM

El Tel, most likely because Delaney is a sucker and will go fro Venables "pedigree" over more obvious choices. Hell, I'd take O'Leary over him any day.

eekers

01/12/2007, 10:52 PM

sam allardyce - everyone's sick of looking at the same candidates for the last month, the media are almost bored of them.
allardyce will be available next week by the looks of things. and then everyone will say "yeah sam allardyce he did a great job with bolton" "bolton very similiar to ireland" "lets go for sam" etc etc he will be the flavour when the decision is made and possibly a good compromise candidate.

Noelys Guitar

01/12/2007, 10:59 PM

eekers

01/12/2007, 11:10 PM

i dont have a betfair account or else i'd snap this up he's 349/1 on there now. he'll be down to 30/1 tomorrow

geysir

01/12/2007, 11:14 PM

Noelys Guitar

01/12/2007, 11:32 PM

He'll be gone by Saturday. Mark my words.

I read about the mumbling and grunting from the Newcastle players when Big Sam asked them whether they liked him or not. Owen wants out. He did'nt play Given for a few games and then bizarley went public with his opinion that he felt Given was imaging his injury!

Noelys Guitar

01/12/2007, 11:41 PM

El Tel before O'Leary, that's a no brainer.
I would lose the will to live if I had to believe in O'Leary.

Venables knows there are millions to be gained from qual for a WC.

Like usual we will get some compromise like Dalgleish.

I would have to contemplate for the first time in my life taking up another sport if O'Leary got the job. I could'nt afford to keep replacing the broken tellys. Believe me. O'Leary has a real chance of getting the job. I just hope sanity prevails.

Noelys Guitar

01/12/2007, 11:46 PM

He'd be better than Venables anyway. And he's Irish. And he cares.

O'Leary will not get this team through to the WC. I would have McCarthy back in a heartbeat over O'Leary if we are going Irish.

HolylandsMan

02/12/2007, 12:10 AM

I think Venables will get it.

If Alderdyce became available he'd be ideal however. Even if we decided to definately go Irish, I'd choose Aldridge ahead of O'Leary. I can see what Noely means with that conservative comment though, my aul fella thinks O'Leary be'd a great appointment. I think its a lot to do with the "respectable" way he puts himself across.

Noelys Guitar

02/12/2007, 12:40 AM

It must be said that O'Leary was a great player. Watched him on TV make his debut against England at Wembley. He gave Keegan nothing that night. He played some great games for Ireland. And was a loyal and skilful player at Arsenal. I just can't see him getting this particular group of players to the WC finals.

Bondvillain

02/12/2007, 1:48 AM

I agree about O Leary. He had few bad nights in a green shirt, and his dedecation to the Irish cause is not in question, but I've no wish to see him manage Ireland, as he never really struck me as the motivational sort who could halt a team in decline.

His management style has been cited as

1. Win.
2. Blame players if #1 not achieved.
3. Throw money at problem
4. Blame players when money-throwing unsucessful
5. Throw more money at problem
6. Blame players when sacked.

which is a tad unfair, but still funny, and close enough to the truth...

I believe Delaney wants Venables. I have no proof, I just get a nastier feeling than usual when I hear Delaney making that lying noise he makes when he's on telly recently. It's up to the Magnificent Two to convice him that there are better options out there who do more than just tick the "Currently Unemployed" & "willing to meet for a chat" boxes.

Who Do I want? I want Mourinho. Well, what I want is for The FAI to go to Mourinho and put their case to him, and when he refuses, I want to know why. I want to know exactly what he told them, and I want it printed in every newspaper in Europe, so that there isn't a cave on this glorious continent that wouldn't be aware that our Football association cannot attract a world class manager because it is staffed, almost to a man, by Junket-loving semi-coherent buffoons who know a huge amount about accountancy, but bugger all about football.

This won't, however, happen, as Mourinho hasn't "thrown his hat into the ring" like the has-beens that currently top the favourites list.

As the above idea is a non-starter, I instead want the FAI to cut out this tuppence hapenny farce of a "world class" headhunting team, comprising of an FAI employee and an associate of Terry Venables who unremarkably managed Arsenal for a spell over 20 years ago, and put together a proper team, made up of people of the stature of Platini, Beckenbauer, Cruyff et al, who wouldnt suffer gladly the standard FAI bollockology that the Brothers Don will most likely be fed.
However, this won't happen either, as John has spoken , and the wheels of farce are turning.

We arent looking for a world class manager, we are seemingly just looking for someone unemployed who used to play football.

We are running the crappiest of selection processes, and I fear we'll get the manager we deserve.

osarusan

02/12/2007, 7:17 AM

Who Do I want? I want Mourinho. Well, what I want is for The FAI to go to Mourinho and put their case to him, and when he refuses, I want to know why. I want to know exactly what he told them, and I want it printed in every newspaper in Europe, so that there isn't a cave on this glorious continent that wouldn't be aware that our Football association cannot attract a world class manager because it is staffed, almost to a man, by Junket-loving semi-coherent buffoons who know a huge amount about accountancy, but bugger all about football.

This won't, however, happen, as Mourinho hasn't "thrown his hat into the ring" like the has-beens that currently top the favourites list.

I'd say the reason that Mourinho would turn the FAI down if asked is that they couldn't afford his salary demands.

No doubt that the FAI are staffed, almost to a man, by Junket-loving semi-coherent buffoons who know a huge amount about accountancy, but bugger all about football, but I don't think that would be Jose's reason for saying no.

Who I want? Hodgson. He's clearly a tactically shrewd manager, capable of maximizing potential. I'd take him even if he leaves after 1 campaign, as he often does, because we'd be a far more attractive proposal to potential managers at the end of his tenure than we are now.

Who will we get? Venables, it seems. It looks to me, and most others, like the FAI have already made up their mind, but just want to try and give the appearance of having searched for the right person.

gspain

02/12/2007, 9:07 AM

What really frustrates me is that names that the likes of Derby, Birmingham, Bolton and Wigan weren't even considering for their jobs like O'Leary (would be a disaster), Brady (failed miserably twice and would do so again)and Venables (miles ahead of the previous 2 but still well past his best and a dodgy private life) are the main ones being mentioned for our job.

Roy Hodgson is miles ahead of any of the above and easily the best candidate mentioned so far. Houillier has done well but I have concerns re his time at Liverpool and mhis manmanagement skills.

Now in fairness to the FAI the only person we know that was approached is Paul Jewell who IMO would have been a good choice.

If you believe the papers then Venables is the choice of JD however he has said he has had no approach and he also has some journalists who will link him to jobs at will. I know Venables was strongly linked with a job for a while in the past and was never ever in the running.

Other names that should be in the running are the likes of Billy Davies - decent job at Preston and got promotion too soon at Derby.

But as to who i think will get the job then I really really hope I'm wrong but it does look like Venables.

Bungle

02/12/2007, 9:37 AM

hodgson will get the job if he is not given the england job.

Agree with O'Leary being the type who will be popular with the two Don's but I think even they would go for Hodgson before O'Leary as the players won't mess about with him as manager. If they do, then the players really are a lost cause.

Before the recruitment panel was created, I would have seen El Tel having a great chance. However, I just can't see him being a popular choice with Givens.

Scram

02/12/2007, 10:20 AM

Houllier will get the Irish job, I have faith in Givens and Howe to make a proper evaluation and conclude that Houllier checks all the boxes.

Hodgson will not want the job, Venables is not suitable and will always be looking elsewhere.

Battery Rover

02/12/2007, 10:24 AM

I think that Venables already has it based on what is happening at the moment.

The people picked to headhunt make me believe this.

Townsend turns down the job. Did I hear rumour that he would come in with Venables if successful? Couldn't be involved in picking his own man.

Don Howe has already worked with Venables in the England set up.

The decision on Don Givens amazes me but thinking about that I would take it to be a decision based on the fact that Delaney wants his choice put forward. There is no fear of Givens going against that.

If it was my choice I would like either Hodgson or Alderdyce with Hodgson being the prefered candidate.

Stuttgart88

02/12/2007, 10:40 AM

I can't see beyond Venables simply because I think the FAI has already decided.

I heard that Dowie may be leaving Coventry if they are forced into administration. Just another name in the frame.

Hodgson is probably the best candidate. I share GS's concerns about Houllier but I think he's a good candidate too.

FarBeag

02/12/2007, 12:07 PM

Terry venables -good coach, crap manager surrounded by controversy most of his career

Graham Souness- good coach, crap manager

Both of them crap managers -there are many more examples too.

One good thing that might come of this debacle is that the advisory board might finally realise that coach/ manager are two completely different jobs with completely different skills required, and just because you might be good at one, doesn't automatically mean you are good at the other.

What we need now is a proper MANAGER, with a good coaching infrastructure behind him so I would go for Roy Hodgson.

stojkovic

02/12/2007, 3:33 PM

Hodgson will not get the England job.

Apparently the Cappello/Zola ticket is the hot fav at the moment.

Stuttgart88

02/12/2007, 5:49 PM

And he's Irish. And he cares.I've always felt that he only cares about himself. Sadly, as he was my hero as a kid, along with Brady and Frank the Plank.

It's hard to know what to make of his club managerial career. Curate's egg I suppose, good in parts.

Will Allardyce be gone? Watching MoTD highlights I thought Newcastle were quite unlucky not to be well ahead at one stage yesterday.

onephillyhughes

02/12/2007, 6:49 PM

I believe it will be Venables.

Once again because our joke of an association will pull the wool over peoples eyes by saying they're doing things properly, when basically they hire 2 boys who know el Tel and will eventually hire him. Delaney gets his man, the 'committee' do their job and everyones a winner (in the FAI).

Politics and personal preference will yet again shaft us, the paying supporter.

Stuttgart88

02/12/2007, 8:33 PM

everyones a winner (in the FAI).

and in their shirt manufacturer?

stojkovic

02/12/2007, 8:37 PM

and in their shirt manufacturer?

Could have sworn that I saw Venables in an Umbro England tracksuit but with adidas boots.

Stuttgart88

02/12/2007, 8:48 PM

I think the point is that there's a strong suggestion that the company that has paid money to the FAI to use their shirts until well into the next decade is calling the shots. One of Delaney's successes was to secure a lot of wedge for a long term deal and the sponsor hasn't been happy with the demise of the team's standing and has said enough's enough. I've personally been suspicious of the FAI / Umbro arrangement for a while, especially as Nike & Adidas seem to be to two dominant international shirt manufacturers these days.

eekers

02/12/2007, 9:06 PM

onephillyhughes

02/12/2007, 9:15 PM

All this talk of 'the company' is making this sound more and more like Prison Break :D

stuttgart, why would they be so keen on el Hell?

DmanDmythDledge

02/12/2007, 10:12 PM

Will Allardyce be gone?
Apparantly if they lose to Arsenal on Wednesday he will be. Can't see him getting the job though if he becomes available.

onephillyhughes

02/12/2007, 10:21 PM

Apparantly if they lose to Arsenal on Wednesday he will be. Can't see him getting the job though if he becomes available.

He won't be.

They've games against Wigan, Birmingham and some other lowly team coming up after Arsenal, I would imagine they will wait and see if he can muster up a few points there.

He won't be interested in the Ireland job anyway, club management or England are all he would want if you ask me.

tetsujin1979

03/12/2007, 12:18 AM

I've personally been suspicious of the FAI / Umbro arrangement for a while, especially as Nike & Adidas seem to be to two dominant international shirt manufacturers these days.
Nike have bought out Umbro, but Umbro will continue as a separate brand.

ramsfan

03/12/2007, 1:33 AM

would love to see Gordon strachan as our manager as he would be the right sort of character to deal with the FAI muppets:)

RogerMilla

03/12/2007, 7:21 AM

would love to see Gordon strachan as our manager as he would be the right sort of character to deal with the FAI muppets:)

i think it will be El Tel , why? because Delaney has decided it will be him,

Stuttgart88

03/12/2007, 8:35 AM

Nike have bought out Umbro, but Umbro will continue as a separate brand.Yes, but only recently. The shirt deals were signed a while back. I just have a suspicion that Mr. Umbro Ireland, ex-owner of Carlisle has told Delaney that he's made a balls of appointments in the past, this time he needs to get it right for the sake of shirt sales and that his choice is Venables. Just a suspicion...

macdermesser

03/12/2007, 9:06 AM

I think it will be Hodgson .. for the simple reason that Delaney does not want to be seen to have f**ked up again. Think Venables is a dummy being sold to Joe O' Public at the moment .. before producing Hodgson out of the hat. If Hodgson then fails in the job, it will all be our fault and not Delaney's then, because actually he went against his better judgement (Venables) in giving the rabble what they wanted Hodgson.

Bit of a paranoid conspiracy theory that! Or maybe wishful thinking..

Bluebeard

03/12/2007, 10:45 AM

Yes, but only recently. The shirt deals were signed a while back. I just have a suspicion that Mr. Umbro Ireland, ex-owner of Carlisle has told Delaney that he's made a balls of appointments in the past, this time he needs to get it right for the sake of shirt sales and that his choice is Venables. Just a suspicion...

Scuppers Roddy so.

There is a God!

Paulie

03/12/2007, 12:40 PM

I can't see beyond Venables simply because I think the FAI has already decided.

Correct. The FAI want to appoint Venables, but they don't want to have to accept the consequences if things go badly as a result of the appointment, so they set about trying to contrive a situation whereby they appear to be doing the right thing, but as is to be expected with the FAI, they even make a mess of that. They appoint a panel which consists of two people, one of whom played with Venables and the other was on Venables coaching staff when he managed England. By the way it's the first time I've heard of a panel comprising of just two people. You also have the completely ridiculous situation whereby the U21 Manager is going to be partly responsible for the recruitment of his own boss! Up until Givens and Howe were appointed I was hopeful that the papers were just trying to make up headlines and that Venables was just another candidate. Seeing as these two were appointed though it's clear that, as per usual, there are leaks coming from the FAI. If the sources of these leaks are now indicating that it's really Venables that they are after well then it appears to me that unless someone else does a really outstanding interview that it's pretty much a done deal.

Stuttgart88

03/12/2007, 12:43 PM

Am I right in thinking that the anti-Venables camp is gaining momentum? Enough to derail the train?

Stuttgart88

03/12/2007, 1:10 PM

Coventry City has just announced it's going into administration.

As hinted above, this may throw Iain Dowie into the mix. If they wanted Jewell, then Dowie may appeal to them too.

It'd pee off our northern neighbours too!

drummerboy

03/12/2007, 1:10 PM

Wonder how much the two Dons are getting paid for this little exercise. Can you imagine Don Givens interviewing the prospective managers. Q1: Who do you invisage managing the U21s?

Bondvillain

03/12/2007, 1:14 PM

Am I right in thinking that the anti-Venables camp is gaining momentum? Enough to derail the train?

Having Humphries weigh in is a good start.

I don't want Venables shot and buried in a bog, I just want to be sure that this farce of having a "world class selection team" (you know, the one with the FAI employee and the man who was manager of Arsenal before they got "good at football") carefully weigh up all the candidates before they give the job to Venables is not a Machiavellian foregone conclusion.

Whatever happens, Delaney comes out of the Shytepile smelling like fresh cut grass, as if Veneables is announced, he has manufactured the process in such a way that the Don brothers will be responsible and he will no doubt sucessfully deflect the repeated calls for him to resign (again).

And if someone else gets the job?
Well, if they are sucessful, he takes the credit for his 'great leadership and organisational skills' in setting up the headhunting team.

What if they arent sucessful?

"You have to Blame Don H and Don G for this mess. I wanted Venables..."

tricky_colour

03/12/2007, 2:13 PM

Venebles, the FAI obviously have a lot of money on it.

eekers

03/12/2007, 2:41 PM

Am I right in thinking that the anti-Venables camp is gaining momentum? Enough to derail the train?

definitely. when dion 'venables cheerleader #1' fanning starts writing articles promoting arie haan you know somethings going on

geysir

03/12/2007, 3:37 PM

definitely. when dion 'venables cheerleader #1' fanning starts writing articles promoting arie haan you know somethings going on
Fanning was attempting to deride Haan,
though that could sound implausible.

beautifulrock

03/12/2007, 4:13 PM

Hard to say, am I the only one who feels there is more than the average amount of smoke and mirrors on this. Although the English FA are not covering themselves in glory either with their process. One thing I am fairly certain about is Big Sam is going no where, at least for another 3/4 months. NUFC have to give him time to prove he can do it. El Tel is pushing hard whilst Haan and Roy H. are dropping plenty of hints. It would be interesting to watch if it was not the FAI in charge of the whole shabang.

Schlooooomp

03/12/2007, 7:01 PM

At the moment I think that venables is in pole position, Delaney has chosen his candidate and wants the selection team to ratify it. I do hope that changes though, as I have stated before Hodgson is my preference.

mypost

03/12/2007, 7:31 PM

Roy Hodgson is miles ahead of any of the above and easily the best candidate mentioned so far.

Now in fairness to the FAI the only person we know that was approached is Paul Jewell who IMO would have been a good choice.

Jewell the Joke lost to Sunderland this weekend. :D Where's he off to next weekend?? OT, oh dear. :o How is he then supposed to get results against Italy, Brazil, Bulgaria, and banana skin trips to Montenegro?? :confused:

Hodgson would be off at the end of the campaign, and also a Yes man to Delaney. Houllier, Re: Charlton in disguise. The best man for the job is Mourinho, but the bloke won't be even asked, as he'd only upset JD too many times.

NeilMcD

03/12/2007, 7:36 PM

Why do you reckon Hodgson would be a yes man to Delaney.

Schlooooomp

03/12/2007, 7:43 PM

Jewell the Joke lost to Sunderland this weekend. :D

In fairness to Jewell I don't think that anybody expected Derby to be anything other than relegation fodder this season except for the chairman Adam Pearson, personally I think that they were crazy to sack Billy Davies. He is a victim of his own success at gaining promotion too quickly. Also judging his first game in charge is a bit quick off of the mark, at least give the man a few games.

Hodgson would be off at the end of the campaign, and also a Yes man to Delaney.

He managed the Swiss for two campaigns. I'm not really sure what you are basing the statement that he would be a "yes man" on.

Houllier, Re: Charlton in disguise. The best man for the job is Mourinho, but the bloke won't be even asked, as he'd only upset JD too many times.

It is no harm to ask Mourinho but if rumour is to be believed he is looking for �4,000,000 to manage Ingerland, we will have somewhere between �750,000 and �1,000,000 to offer a manager. Quite a difference.