U21s v England

[Carrigaline]

2-0 Milner

[Carrigaline]

Quinn booed for a bad tackle.

[boovidge]

argh that was a good goal..:(

[Carrigaline]

Very frustrating for Ireland, I thought they out-played England in the first half. Garvan was especially magnificent in the middle of the park for the first half.

[paul_oshea]

great signing for pats alright neil, but was it a great signing for ocearuill?!

[boovidge]

Very frustrating for Ireland, I thought they out-played England in the first half. Garvan was especially magnificent in the middle of the park for the first half.

i think outplayed is a bit strong but we definately held our own. Garvan looks a brilliant prospect!

[boovidge]

never offside! :mad:

[paul_oshea]

am i missing something re: garvan? i havent heard his name once since i started watching?!?! otoole fair enough but thats it!

[paul_oshea]

jees lennon and walcott looked like midgets compared to huddlestone there....

[boovidge]

where did they get the lino?

[Carrigaline]

Walcott scores.

He was still rubbish tonight though.

3-0

[Carrigaline]

am i missing something re: garvan? i havent heard his name once since i started watching?!?! otoole fair enough but thats it!
He was knocking it about well in the first half. He faded out of the game in the second though.

[Carrigaline]

Can see another for England here. Ireland pretty muched packed it in after the first goal.

[TonyD]

great signing for pats alright neil, but was it a great signing for ocearuill?!

UEFA Cup football, good chance of a league winners medal :cool:

[NeilMcD]

I dont think so I think after the second it got a bit rope but even then we should have had a goal as Keogh was not offside. Once again a good performance against England and we are losing 3-0, I thought lightening does not strike twice.

Garvan Quinn and O Toole were excellent just to be let down by Stokes and Clare in my view.

O Ceirruil will look the business in the EL I think as he has great pace and good reading of the game. I like the look of O'Dea everytime I see him.

[Carrigaline]

Hopefully the ref will blow the whistle soon, we've been well beaten in the second half and I don't want to see the lads embarassed.

[boovidge]

i reckon we should have stuck more to our shape. We looked like we could nick a goal before they scored and we wouldnt be so vulnerable at the back

[paul_oshea]

ya pats look like they are really getting their act together off and on the field. So tony hope yer right, if nothing else kerr is certainly ambitious.


I thought lightening does not strike twice

It does, I saw this program on sky once about this woman who had been struck 2 or 3 times after a tornado.


terrible ball by garvan, thats the only time ive heard his name mentioned in 60 mins...

[NeilMcD]

Paul, you should not rely on the commentators to tell you who is playing well and who is not, your eyes should do it for you. Also if you are watching it on Sky they are raving about him and saying he was a contendor for man of the match so maybe you should get your ears check out too.

[boovidge]

paul you're not watching the same game, the sky commentators said he 'could be Irelands MoM'!

[Carrigaline]

I dont think so I think after the second it got a bit rope but even then we should have had a goal as Keogh was not offside. Once again a good performance against England and we are losing 3-0, I thought lightening does not strike twice.

Garvan Quinn and O Toole were excellent just to be let down by Stokes and Clare in my view.

O Ceirruil will look the business in the EL I think as he has great pace and good reading of the game. I like the look of O'Dea everytime I see him.
Pretty much agree with that. Although, I was disappointed with the attitude of the players after Milner got that flukey goal. England were frankly rubbish up until then and we had a chance to fight back.

I know Stokes is still young, but I'm really starting to think that his half season at Falkirk was simply a one season wonder job.

By the way, 3-0, FT.

[paul_oshea]

keogh is definitely not a striker, these are the sorta games that prove a player. he really did nothing tonight. no excuse for not getting at least 2 of those hail marys on target at least.

[Carrigaline]

Paul, you should not rely on the commentators to tell you who is playing well and who is not, your eyes should do it for you. Also if you are watching it on Sky they are raving about him and saying he was a contendor for man of the match so maybe you should get your ears check out too.
Agree, I see shades on Andy Reid in his intelligent play.

[boovidge]

i thought O Ceirruil and o'dea both had shockers compared to the rest of the side!

[paul_oshea]

ok i was fully listening to it but ive been doing work on another window, so not fully concentrating on it, but i hardly ever heard his name, other than to say tired pass and a few other things, i did hear them say though that he was a great prosect for ireland.

[NeilMcD]

keogh is definitely not a striker, these are the sorta games that prove a player. he really did nothing tonight. no excuse for not getting at least 2 of those hail marys on target at least.


Yeah I think finishing is not his best point as can be seen from his goals per game record. For the clubs he has been with he set loads of goals up at Scunthorpe and the same at Wolves. I think strike partners love him but he is not clinical enough in front of goal

[tetsujin1979]

keogh is definitely not a striker, these are the sorta games that prove a player. he really did nothing tonight. no excuse for not getting at least 2 of those hail marys on target at least.
He's not a winger either, where Stan played him.
He's not a finisher, he's a provider. Could be Ireland's answer to Emile Heskey. On the other hand, he could be Ireland's answer to Michael Ricketts

[boovidge]

a poor mans emile heskey...christ:eek:

[Carrigaline]

He's not a winger either, where Stan played him.
He's not a finisher, he's a provider. Could be Ireland's answer to Emile Heskey. On the other hand, he could be Ireland's answer to Michael Ricketts
Yea. We need to stop playing players out of position. He was very ineffective on the wing when he played with us.

[NeilMcD]

Houghton just said there that box to box Ireland were the better side but that finishing was the difference. I could not agree more. I thought the same in Cork also.

[eirebhoy]

terrible ball by garvan, thats the only time ive heard his name mentioned in 60 mins...
tut tut. It's like you've heard him being built up so much that you're just looking for an excuse to knock him.

Anyway, very encouraging display. Again we have to make the point that Randolph, Nolan, O’Cearuill, O’Halloran, O’Toole, Garvan and Stokes all qualify for the U19s.

[tetsujin1979]

a poor mans emile heskey...christ:eek:

What I meant is that he could be a player up front who holds up the ball and makes space and chances for the striker. When Heskey came back into the England setup late last year, Owen apparently went to McClaren to start him because he felt that he played better alongside Heskey, who worked hard to win the ball, which Owen can't do as well.

[NeilMcD]

Yeah I do think that Keogh has that in his locker and should not be written off at all. I would think that Keogh is a playlers player and he is the sort of guy that I would have loved to have played beside because he does a lot of the hard work and holds up the ball etc but just lacks the class to finish off a good move.

[paul_oshea]

no its not, its ive heard all this about him and i wonder how much people actually saw of him if thats what they think.

ya its good to know so many young fellas still on it, but in another way it isn't it means there is a gap in any sort of class coming through in the next 2 years....

[NeilMcD]

Eh Paul you have just admitted you were barely watching the match and relying on how often the commentator mentions the guys name to give your review and then you start saying you question how many times other people have seen him. To be honest you are not really in much of a position to be making such comments. Garvan looks a class act everytime I have seen him on the TV. He is always ready to receive the ball and opens up the play very well. He also showed good power and skils. O Toole was good too beside him and Quinn player very well in my view too. We just lacked the cutting edge up front as Keogh is not a finisher and Stokes and Clare esp were pretty poor.

[geysir]

You couldn´t compare the fitness and application of Keogh to an out of tune Stokes.

[Carrigaline]

Houghton just said there that box to box Ireland were the better side but that finishing was the difference. I could not agree more. I thought the same in Cork also.
Yea, but finishing is always the difference. We've scored 1 goal in five games and are now rooted to the bottom of the table. Those stats say that we're a very poor team, not an unlucky one.

[shaneker]

Was a good team performance, its been a long time since the seniors played as a unit like that so good to see some sort of tactical acumen in the side. Was disappointed that heads seemed to drop after the second goal - although we were robbed by that offside decision. Still encouraging enough.

Garvan looked classy in stages but was a wee bit invisible at times (so a ready-made replacement for Stephen Ireland, then), Stokes tried to do too much and ended up doing too little (step forward Keano) but I was well impressed with the way Keogh got into dangerous positions against a very good u-21 defence, and O'Toole seemed eager to get amongst them and cause problems. Thought Quinn was alright but GASH from set-plays, we really have to find someone who can put a free-kick into the box better than him.

Better team won, but I'm fairly happy with the performance. England's team in 5-6 years could be terrifying - combine Hart, Huddlestone, Noble, Walcott, Lennon with Gerrard, Agbonlahor, Richards and Rooney and they could be right up there with the best of them. Unfortunatly.

[tetsujin1979]

Anyone record it?
If there's a replay later on I'll try to record it and make it available online somewhere

[NeilMcD]

Yea, but finishing is always the difference. We've scored 1 goal in five games and are now rooted to the bottom of the table. Those stats say that we're a very poor team, not an unlucky one.

Its an U21 team, its about development etc although I would like us to be doing well but its pretty apparent that we lack a finisher at U21 level, that does not mean the future cannot be bright for these players to progress into the senior team which is what it is all about.

[eirebhoy]

Garvan looked classy in stages but was a wee bit invisible at times (so a ready-made replacement for Stephen Ireland, then)
It really depends on who you're watching. When I'm watching Ireland/Celtic it's very rare I can tell you how well an opposing player is doing (unless I plan before the game on keeping an eye on a particular player). For example, seeing Noble's name on the screen when he was subbed off was honestly the first time I realised he was playing. When Ireland have the ball I'm watching the Irish players, when England have the ball I'm watching the Irish players. Garvan was everywhere tonight and never went missing imo. I have to listen to people say Nakamura goes missing all the time even though the stats say he averages 12.7km and plays more passes than anyone else on the pitch (and covers back as much as any midfielder).

I also have to admit that I had my eye on Garvan more than any other player tonight. From start to finish he played like a captain and was constantly signalling to teammates.

On another note, I must have counted 6 quick 1-2's that O'Halloran tried and they all came off. I don't know how good a defender he us but he's bloody excellent going forward.

[NeilMcD]

Yeah I think if O Halloran can get first team football he could well go up to the senior squad as we really lack at left back.

[shaneker]

Not to say Garvan looked poor by any stretch - he didn't - just that we had a lot of the ball in our own half and could have done with someone pulling the strings to unlock the English defence, which he only seemed to do on a few occasions (although he wasn't helped by Stokes coming so deep so often, leaving only Keogh to aim for). He looked good; I'd just like to see more of him looking good, if you follow me!

Spot on about O'Halloran; the goal was unlucky and he looked like he was bursting to get forward and plenty of ability with those little touches. Looks a proper prospect.

[geysir]

We were hammered in the end but still there are a lot of positives about the young lads.

The key bit was the passage of play in the minutes before the English first goal. We just lost all shape and never really recovered.

[Bottle of Tonic]

Just back from the boozer (only setanta for me) and I was chuffed with the performance, if not the result. And i don't think we gave up after goal 1 like some are suggesting. We went for it and looked dangerous going forward. I thought the mentality was great seeing as we are out.

Read the comments here on Garvan. I was mightily impressed with him. I dont watch much championship and had only seen him closely in the home game v england a few months back where I wasn't that impressed. Tonight he was among the best players on the park, no question.

Quinn is a tidy player, but too light. Billy clarke was no where. O' Dea was terrible one minute(distribution) and calm and composed the next. I watch him at celtic (whenever he gets a run) and don't know what to make of him. New club maybe?

Keogh looked great apart from finishing. Pity, cos he probably won't make it in the senior squad so. Stokes. Needs goals. Will have to see more of O'Toole. Full backs looked good especially Nolan.

Good night for us, apart from result of course. :ball:

[paul_oshea]

neil i neversaid that, i said I wasn;t FULLY concentrating on it, but i doubt there is anything i prolly missed, i just mentioned that i was switching (focus) between windows and both were half size.

[eirebhoy]

O' Dea was terrible one minute(distribution) and calm and composed the next. I watch him at celtic (whenever he gets a run) and don't know what to make of him.
I'm the same. Haven't a clue how good or bad he'll be. The only thing that I'm encouraged about is that I've never once seen him exposed for pace when playing centre back for Celtic. He's a slow player so obviously his positioning is sound.

[Dodge]

great signing for pats alright neil, but was it a great signing for ocearuill?!

Highlight off his career

[FarBeag]

Good match in terrible conditions, shame about the result and it should have being closer.I really like Garvan.I think he has the potential to be a class player. I agree with people’s assessment on Keogh. O’Toole was good in the first half but faded in the second. I also like the look of O’Chearruill and i am really surprised that he wasn’t picked up by a club in England. He is a better player than McShane imo. Another disappointing outing for Stokes and to be honest I have yet to see him live up to all the hype prior to him joining Sunderland. I really hope that O’Halloran gets his game on loan as he is a prospect.

[ken foree]

started a bit shaky and 2nd half the english power and fitness did the boys in but i was very pleased. garvan was mind-blowingly good at times, knew when to take it down, lay it off to himself into space, diddled two english with a drop of the shoulder and a roulette (single-classiest move on the pitch tonight), and wriggled away from 3 players at one point in the 2nd half with power and delivered a great cross. he showed a willingness to defend but doesn't have extraordinary acceleration or pace, not that he's completely lacking either. please, almighty cosmic being, let this fella happen for us at senior level because tonight he was terrific. desire, composure, and skill. i thought the two fulls were decent but became exposed as the game wore on. there was no real end product from us until the legitimate goal we scored (blind finish hooer missed TWO of them). liked the look of o'toole, as someone said, need to see more. agree re: o'dea, he was cruyff-turning it away from trouble in his own box (class) and then pi$$ing possession away very cheaply at times, in very dangerous areas. liked the intelligence of many of the players though, they had a cohesion and style that made me proud.