Dublin AUL 2007/08

[drummerboy]

I didn't mention any league except the Amateur League which is **** poor.

[duffbeer]

You didn't need to. But I agree with the last point.

[Dub-Boy]

Stay on message lads, it's good to have thread for Dublin, lets not split hairs on whose league is the best, we all know the answer to that....:)

[duffbeer]

FAI Ford Senior Challenge Cup - 2nd Round Draw

Corduff United FC V St. Mary’s AFC
Avondale United FC V Drogheda Town FC
Douglas Hall FC/ Castlebar Celtic FC V Belgrove FC
Crumlin United FC V Liffey Pearse FC
Salthill Devon FC V Rockmount AFC
Killester United FC V Bangor Celtic FC
Swilly Rovers FC V Wayside Celtic FC
St. James Gate V Carrick United FC
Everton AFC V Tullamore FC
Mervue United FC/Lissadel United V Fanad United/Carrigaline United

Fixtures to be played weekend ending, Sunday 20th April

[Dub-Boy]

I was just wondering if Aaron was still playing with Portmarnock AUL, that was the last club that i heard that he was with, I think he was playing for Trinity in the UCL for a season or two aswell proir to that, if anyone knows his where-abouts, would you let me know, i'd love to get back in touch with him.

[Jayk69]

I was just wondering if Aaron was still playing with Portmarnock AUL, that was the last club that i heard that he was with, I think he was playing for Trinity in the UCL for a season or two aswell proir to that, if anyone knows his where-abouts, would you let me know, i'd love to get back in touch with him.


Whats his second name and i'll let ya know tomorrow im from Portmarnock so it'll be easy for me to track him for ya!!!

[Dr Mad]

If you're talking about Aaron Shearer - he has semi-retired for now, new baba to look after. you can google to get his work e-mail (if you know him you'll know where abouts that is!) or drop me a PM if you want

[Dub-Boy]

Sheaer- retired!! , I can't beleive it, he was a good ball player in his day, if you have a contact number or email can you pm me, as for me googling his name, i have issues about that, just seems a bit sneaky.....up to his elbows in nappies now, same as myself, you should have seen the pressie that my young fella dropped for me tonite, a full grown bull elephant would have been proud of it

[Dr Mad]

PM'd you his number Brian ...

[Dub-Boy]

Cheers Dr Mad, I contact him, hows life with yourself?

[Dr Mad]

Mad! .

[Jayk69]

Just wondering if there are many games on this weekend or is it just the AUL league, Our team has been reduced to a skelton crew for our game on sunday, its a disaster!! Absolutely gutted too last week, i'd say our pitch was the only pitch in Dublin that was actually on and it killed us. Just wondering too, if a player gets pushed off the pitch( eg, marking the keeper on a corner, and player knocks him away from the keeper off the pitch) What is the outcome, i thought it would either be a peno or allow the game to play?????? Our ref sent our player off for 3mins till the ball came back into play but we got corner after corner and he wouldnt allow him back on, is this right????

[Dub-Boy]

It's a bloody nightmare, its a crucial part of the season and teams are being left under-strenght because of the holidays, my take on your question is that a player has to leave the pitch when he receives treatment, he can only come back on when the ref waves him back on, this has to be done on the half way line, if he runs back on without notifying the referee then the ref can book him, so if he is already on a yellow, then he would be off.
Some referee's can be real CEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY on this matter, and the more you scream from the sideline to get your player back on, the less the likelyhood of it happening is.
however if a lad is chasing a ball, lets say a ball over the top, and he slides in to stop the ball from going over the line, but his momentum takes him off the pitch, it could be a wet day and a slippery surface, then he is entitled to get up and charge back on to the pitch.
It sounds that your ref had one of those moments were you want to trottle the bugger for giving all the wrong decisions at the wrong time

[Jayk69]

Really annoyed now, do you think the AUL may have actually given us a match this week considering we played the two bank holiday weekends when we could have enjoyed them but no they decided to give us this week off. As Easter Sunday being such a big religious day and all would it not have been more appropriate to give these fixutures a miss instead of this weekend. Sorry bout the rant but really annoyin me!!!!

[the 12 th man]

Really ****ed off now, do you think the AUL may have actually given us a match this week considering we played the two bank holiday weekends when we could have enjoyed them but no they decided to give us this week off. As Easter Sunday being such a big religious day and all would it not have been more appropriate to give these fixutures a miss instead of this weekend. Sorry bout the rant but really ****in me off!!!!

Leave out the ****'s,the filter is there for a reason.

[Jayk69]

Hi,

Does any one know when midweek fixtures begin for aul league and time of kick off??? rumour has it at 6.30!!!!

[Dr Mad]

the fixtures and times are here mate -

http://www.aul.ie/fixtures.php

some 6:45 and then 6:30 - Same as every year for the last 25!!!!

Are you new to the AUL?

[Jayk69]

funny mr mad,

no, im far from new thanks, last yr it was thurs and didnt see those new fixtures. It was a half 7 kick off last season too.

[Dr Mad]

Thats DOCTOR Mad please :eek:

Not being smart but Mid week matches are never later than 7:00 in April or May - gets dark too early !

[Jayk69]

Sorry about that Doc!! How come they've changed to a tues, any reason. Bit strange. Last 3 seasons they were thurs and sat team played weds!!!

[Dr Mad]

Its down to the shortage of refs as far as I know, they are mixing up the nights for mid week games so that refs are available ... agree with you that 6:30 is a hard call with the Dublin traffic ....

[cityman]

Has anyone out there got any honest opinions of the standard of refereeing in the AUL so far this season. I have heard some people give out but I have also seen some matches too.

Are clubs happy with the referees in charge of their games?

[Jayk69]

The standard of reffing is disgraceful, one of the refs we had gave a goal for our lad fallin into the net after kclearing the ball on the six yard line. thats just one of the stories i can tell ya from this season. we get another ref wk in wk out that doesn't leave the centre circle and also doesn't know how to use his cards. its effectin the lads too cause they are gettin so frustrated with the stupid decisions made by some of the refs.

[passinginterest]

You should try the UCFL refs! I'm not one to complain at a ref during or after a game, but some of them are truly shocking (and we have a few lads who will complain, a lot!). The fella today didn't know that you can't shout 'leave it', you have to call a name, when it was mentioned that the opposition did this he said 'I don't know what you're talking about'. He also only gave decisions to whoever shouted the loudest, and would decide to book someone if you complained loud enough and long enough after an incident. Gave a peno against us when our defender won a clear header, at a point where we had just gone 2-0 up despite being down to 10 men. They equalised with 3 men offside and scored a winner (which was a stunning goal in fairness), it's very frustrating when a ref doesn't seem aware of the basic rules and keeps giving everything to the team that moans at him the most.

[inexile]

frustrating i know lads but if they werent there none of us would be playing anything at the weekends, we need them far more than they need us or the abuse for that matter

[passinginterest]

frustrating i know lads but if they werent there none of us would be playing anything at the weekends, we need them far more than they need us or the abuse for that matter

100% agree. It's why personally I'd never have a go at any of them, was making that point after our game. Still it's frustrating when the basics seem to be missing. It makes you wonder what the training they get is like.

[Dr Mad]

InExile hit the nail on the head as usual but unfortunately the standard of AUL refs is at its lowest in my opinion in 20 years I have been involved as player and spectator. Dreadful dreadful stuff with one or two notable exceptions (Alan Kelly, Lorcan White), lack of common sense, lack of knowledge of the rules, bad attitudes to players, and above all plain bad eyesight. It has worked both for and against us this season so no axe to grind. Some of the stuff you see is comical and when you hear laughter from a sideline at a refs decision surely its time for something to be done.

Then again ... who would be a ref? Not sure what they are paid but I wouldn't do it for 100 euro a match.

[inexile]

InExile hit the nail on the head as usual but unfortunately the standard of AUL refs is at its lowest in my opinion in 20 years I have been involved as player and spectator. Dreadful dreadful stuff with one or two notable exceptions (Alan Kelly, Lorcan White), lack of common sense, lack of knowledge of the rules, bad attitudes to players, and above all plain bad eyesight. It has worked both for and against us this season so no axe to grind. Some of the stuff you see is comical and when you hear laughter from a sideline at a refs decision surely its time for something to be done.

Then again ... who would be a ref? Not sure what they are paid but I wouldn't do it for 100 euro a match.

i agree with the part about attitudes to players, i find it worse in Dublin than anywhere else I have played in, just something simple like asking the referee what time is left or something can be met with silence, or a comment like none of your business both of which has happened me this season

[cityman]

I have seen some refs not speaking at all to players-giving no information to them. I know refs that love the comfort of the center circle too!! There refs I have seen at Premier A matches and have wondered how do they get appointed to those games.
The AUL must be doing something right if they are attracting back refs that are finished in Eircom lge(some still there),I dont hear any refs going to any of the other leagues.
The abuse some people give them is a bit much sometimes. Also a lot of players, managers etc dont know the rules of the game too so that cannot help.
:rolleyes:

[The Ref]

InExile hit the nail on the head as usual but unfortunately the standard of AUL refs is at its lowest in my opinion in 20 years I have been involved as player and spectator. Dreadful dreadful stuff with one or two notable exceptions (Alan Kelly, Lorcan White), lack of common sense, lack of knowledge of the rules, bad attitudes to players, and above all plain bad eyesight. It has worked both for and against us this season so no axe to grind. Some of the stuff you see is comical and when you hear laughter from a sideline at a refs decision surely its time for something to be done.

Then again ... who would be a ref? Not sure what they are paid but I wouldn't do it for 100 euro a match.

A referee receives a fee is €42 (€24 match fee plus €18 urban allowance) with a little extra for Intermediate and top division matches. If the round trip exceeds 25 miles the urban allowance shall no longer apply but the referee is entitled to mileage at the rate of 73c per mile (starting at the GPO - Dublin only not sure of anywhere else)


i agree with the part about attitudes to players, i find it worse in Dublin than anywhere else I have played in, just something simple like asking the referee what time is left or something can be met with silence, or a comment like none of your business both of which has happened me this season

This is an attitude that I don't agree with, civility costs nothing, mind you if a player has been taking the mick for most of the game, I can get a bit shirty when he asks me whats left. Not happened to me yet this season. But at the end of the day its an individual choice of the referee to tell the players or not



I have seen some refs not speaking at all to players-giving no information to them. I know refs that love the comfort of the center circle too!! There refs I have seen at Premier A matches and have wondered how do they get appointed to those games.
The AUL must be doing something right if they are attracting back refs that are finished in Eircom lge(some still there),I dont hear any refs going to any of the other leagues.
The abuse some people give them is a bit much sometimes. Also a lot of players, managers etc dont know the rules of the game too so that cannot help.
:rolleyes:

A problem between players/managers and referees is communication. If players or managers don't show respect, it can be difficult for the referee to show it back.

The Laws are freely available on the FIFA website but players and managers don't read them, in a lot of cases they only think they know the rules.

e.g. a defender has a direct free kick outside his own box, he passes the ball to his keeper who completely misses the ball and it ends up in the net,

What decision should the referee give?

[cityman]

Referee awards a corner kick.

Did you see the article in the Star a couple of weeks ago about being able to referee and play as well? I was under the impression that you were not allowed to be a referee and be a member of a club. In order to play for a club you would have to be registered. So does anyone know how this is going to work? I rang the number(Fai number), to find out and got put through to the referee department. But the coulple of times I rang there was no answer!!

[messer]

Corner

[Jayk69]

Granted i know we wouldnt have any football on a sunday morning if there were no refs but come on there really are a vast amount of refs that should not be reffing games. They are a danger to the lads on the pitch. We played the last two weekends and it was only short to both matches coming to a brawl. Late tackles were let go, high feet, stampin then absurd yellow cards were given and not for these fouls( if they were even called) but for palmin down a shot then picking the ball up. Fair enough an indirect free kick, if this applies im not sure cause i never heard of it but booking the player too? Three players should have been sent off for professional fouls and another two for dangerous play. But yet the ref didnt even call fouls. The likes of another certain ref, doesnt leave the centre circle and then thinks he can call offside when his back is turned. saying that DR.Mad was right with the two refs he said, every wk they are consistant refs so there are a few out there!!!

[Jock MIB]

A problem between players/managers and referees is communication. If players or managers don't show respect, it can be difficult for the referee to show it back.

The Laws are freely available on the FIFA website but players and managers don't read them, in a lot of cases they only think they know the rules.



i have to agree some people dont know rules fully
here sorry for jumping in this forum, limerick referee and at one game i did. the attacking team had goal kick and the striker was half way in opposition half while the defending team all stood at half way line. the kick was taken and all players shouted OFFSIDE ball went to striker who is now twenty yards ahead of defender runs in and scores.
The abuse i got from the opposition was unbelievable and all becuase they didn't know the simple rule you Can't be offside from Goal Kick.

[messer]

No doubt there are some poor referee`s, but how many players or managers have seen a book on the laws of the game dont mind read them. What would happen if referee`s gave out to players if they make a mistake in the game !!!

[Jock MIB]

No doubt there are some poor referee`s, but how many players or managers have seen a book on the laws of the game dont mind read them. What would happen if referee`s gave out to players if they make a mistake in the game !!!

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[Jayk69]

My god, i know its sounds like im a sore loser but i reckon i have a case.we played top of the table on sunday morning and put up a fantastic fight only to be beaten by the ref. we went 1-nil down to a goal that didnt cross the line, our keeper made a fantastic save and the ref was 40yards out and couldnt see it, even the opposition told the ref it wasnt a goal. he then awarded a peno which in fairness was a peno, no disputing it but he then sent our lad off for it. Our best player on the day too. on top of that we saved it then went down there end and then awarded us a peno for tthe exact same thing but didnt even caution they're player. he then changed his mind and gave a free kick outside the box. He bottled it. The papers were on the side line and the other team could win the league that day. We scored from the resulting free kick so we held out till the 97th minute till they scored the winner. INjury time of 7minutes. Apart from that only two injuries occured in the second half were players had to receive treatment. I know this sounds like a rant but its soooo frustrating seeing this happen week in week out. We also lost last week due to bad refereeing decisions. He came up after the match and apologised to me but wouldnt say why!!!

[messer]

Slagging off referees again. Always the easy option.

[Jayk69]

Far from slagging off the refs but there are a good few out there that need a course to go on to revise the rules with them. its just harsh when ya put so much work in and then in no uncertain terms, the refs influence looses the game. Its not a slagging match at refs cause this season ive had some great refs, lorcan white, art o toole to name too but the standard is appalling in the aul league

[Killer]

Far from slagging off the refs but there are a good few out there that need a course to go on to revise the rules with them. its just harsh when ya put so much work in and then in no uncertain terms, the refs influence looses the game. Its not a slagging match at refs cause this season ive had some great refs, lorcan white, art o toole to name too but the standard is appalling in the aul league

the standard of refs in the aul is less than acceptable, apart from 1 or 2, danny smith is by far the worst ref in the country let alone the aul, he on travels 20 yards either side of the half way line and then bottles decisions left right and center he;s far of the pace to be refing prem A

[Dr Mad]

Hate to personalise it but Mr Smith is dreadful.
Plus he is about 18 stone which in itself is an insult to Premier A players who work their nackers off Tuesday and Thursday to stay in shape and get a game. :(

[cityman]

What is the standard of referee's in premier B/C. Could any of those replace some of the guys up in premier A?

[messer]

Of course ref`s make mistakes. So do players but referees dont give out to players for making mistakes. How many players have read a book on the laws of the game? Very few if any.

[lifegoeson]

Referee awards a corner kick.

Did you see the article in the Star a couple of weeks ago about being able to referee and play as well? I was under the impression that you were not allowed to be a referee and be a member of a club. In order to play for a club you would have to be registered. So does anyone know how this is going to work? I rang the number(Fai number), to find out and got put through to the referee department. But the coulple of times I rang there was no answer!!


this would be a great option for teams around as most refs have not played the game. a player being a ref ???????????

[Killer]

this would be a great option for teams around as most refs have not played the game. a player being a ref ???????????

if players are to ref the game's then when are they supposed to play them selves!!.i presume your referring to ex players refing, then you'll have certain people complaining about favoritism to certain teams or players from ex players or friends, so that would mean you could only ref teams outside your league that you've no affiliation to , possibly a good idea but i don't think it will be wide spread. but god knows anything bar the ref's we've no would be a bonus.:D

[cityman]

My understanding of the article is that you could referee and play at the same time- ref Saturday,play Sunday, or vice vearsa??!!

I know a referee that refereed men ssoccer who finished a season and went to manage a ladies team for the summer and got reported by a ref at one of their games. There was no conflict of interest because it was in the off-season.

There is a rule in the constituton that says you cannot be a member of a club and a referee. Even though this ref's league had finshed and he was doing this in his spare time, he was told at the hearing that it didn't matter. He got a caution and went on his own too it because his own league didn't care.

If they want to get more referees they are going to have to make a compromise, otherwise some refs might pack it in.

[drummerboy]

Which player broke his leg.

[Killer]

Which player broke his leg.

their left winger andy fitzsimmons. he broke both bones in his left leg:(

[GoodFootball]

Any link to a website for your league?

Also what are Dundrum like?

[cityman]

Was anyone at the cup final in the AUL complex last Friday? Inchicore and Whitestown were playing. Did anybody see the glass bottle thrown at one of the assistant referees after an offside decision went against one of the teams? It missed him by inches and landed on the pitch in front of him.

Referee was called over and picked up the bottle and turned to look for, I presume, an official from the league. When he couldn't see one he placed the bottle on the sideline and continued with the match.

Can't believe the AUL didn't have more people to steward the game. Think I saw three and one of those went after half time. What would have happened if the assistant referee had been struck by the bottle??!!