Mick McCarthy

[Drumcondra 69er]

just the highlights...did you see the newcastle game before that, as well as the city game before that? They try to keep the ball on the floor..not like Mick as a player and as a manager!! hee haw...donkey

I dont follow united or liverpool or anyone else bar ireland for that matter..might have guessed you were one of the self-righteous group of LOI fans. Do you want a blue peter badge?..ya hardly have a chip on your shoulder lad, hardly!!!

Yep, saw both and saw them pick up a solitary point in 2 dreadful games. And that point came against a Newcastle side who got tonked 4-1 by Porstmouth and 3-0 by Liverpool in their 2 home games either side of that.

Thought you just agreed McCathy's Ireland played decent football so what are you on about? Sunderland tried it in the Premiership last time around but hadn't got the players to do it, your new suggestion that he's a long ball manager shows you don't know what you're on about.

As for the self righteous remark, :D:D! You brought who I support into it by accusing me of being a 'sad ass Liverpool fan'! You got a class to get back to or do they still let schools out early on a Wednesday?

[btid1]

just the highlights...

So you saw the 7 goals they conceeded then :D:D:D

[jjppc]

he cant even get wolves promoted, two lowest ever points tallys in a premiership...McCarthy is a cr*p manager...one win against saudi arabia in the world cup...persisted on playing harte and leaving out finnan!!


How many games have we won in the major competitions? Have always thought, and posted that we played our best football under Mick, but its time to move on, new broom needed.

[Jacktheman]

:p
just the highlights...did you see the newcastle game before that, as well as the city game before that? They try to keep the ball on the floor..not like Mick as a player and as a manager!! hee haw...donkey

I dont follow united or liverpool or anyone else bar ireland for that matter..might have guessed you were one of the self-righteous group of LOI fans. Do you want a blue peter badge?..ya hardly have a chip on your shoulder lad, hardly!!!


Keane can get a new job assisting Mick in the Ireland Job
seeing as the P45 is not far away but no dogs allowed ( sorry triggs)
:):)

MICK THE LAST MANAGER TO GET US TO A FINAL - YE YA DONKEY

[lionelhutz]

we had no squad of any quality or depth whatsoever for that campaign. it was barely better than the teams you mention. all of charltons players were either gone or were well past their time for that campaign. to oversee new young players come in and still manage to come within a very dubious belgium play-off winner of wc 98 was a major achievment

I completely disagree, Roy Keane, Denis Irwin, Steve Staunton, Niall Quinn, Jason McAteer - these are all top players who were under Charlton and were in their prime

[lionelhutz]

Post of the month! :D

I'd probably defend McCarthy as much as anyone. He was doing alright for Ireland after a shaky start. He was unlucky to concede a goal in the last minute in Skopje. As for the other teams being too sh*te to finish second, Holland too sh*te? Croatia too sh*te? Yeah right. Somebody doesn't know what those teams had produced at the preceding competition finals.

However, like any manager you become stale in the one job, and I believe the World Cup was possibly McCarthy's summit. With hindsight he should have walked after Suwon. I wish he had too.

I think he was referring to the 98 campaign

[lionelhutz]

Yep, saw both and saw them pick up a solitary point in 2 dreadful games. And that point came against a Newcastle side who got tonked 4-1 by Porstmouth and 3-0 by Liverpool in their 2 home games either side of that.

Thought you just agreed McCathy's Ireland played decent football so what are you on about? Sunderland tried it in the Premiership last time around but hadn't got the players to do it, your new suggestion that he's a long ball manager shows you don't know what you're on about.

As for the self righteous remark, :D:D! You brought who I support into it by accusing me of being a 'sad ass Liverpool fan'! You got a class to get back to or do they still let schools out early on a Wednesday?

Is that your word of the day??

[billydoneit]

Alot of die hard Liverpool fans idolise Roy Keane and still do.

And other ManUre players Denis Irwin, Paul McGrath, Kevin Moran.

PS (not John O'Sh1t though)

Funniest thing I read in ages :rolleyes: Have you ever been to Liverpool and met a real Liverpool fan, if you find one who idolises Roy Keane I'll eat Mrs Billy's hat............:D

[btid1]

Funniest thing I read in ages :rolleyes: Have you ever been to Liverpool and met a real Liverpool fan, if you find one who idolises Roy Keane I'll eat Mrs Billy's hat............:D

And there is the difference.I think that guy was referring to Irish Liverpool fans who are ,lets be honest, not really Liverpool fans in the truest sense of the word.

[citizenerased]

You got a class to get back to or do they still let schools out early on a Wednesday?
Good one how ya tonk of that? You tonker! Should you not be signing on today? do you get internet allowance these days with the council flat?have a bit of coddle and chill!


Seriously though, back to the matter at hand, McCarthy for ireland again is a no no...ridiculous idea...

[jbyrne]

I completely disagree, Roy Keane, Denis Irwin, Steve Staunton, Niall Quinn, Jason McAteer - these are all top players who were under Charlton and were in their prime

keane missed some very important matches in the wc 98 campaign including the play off in brussels. you name 5 players (some of whom also missed important games) that MAY be considered top players but most of the rest of the squad were young and inexperienced at international level or over the hill

[barney]

Howya Dave.

[stojkovic]

Funniest thing I read in ages :rolleyes: Have you ever been to Liverpool and met a real Liverpool fan, if you find one who idolises Roy Keane I'll eat Mrs Billy's hat............:D

Ive been to a Liverpool-United match at Anfield and Keane was possibly the ONLY United player that wasnt booed. Keano put Gerard in his place that day and the local press did not hold back in pointing this out.

Lopez - I was referring to the 98 campaign which was mentioned in the post that I was replying to.

Drumcrondra69 - am I not allowed to support more than one team. I am a season ticket holder at a Dublin eL club, go to every Ireland game and I also support Liverpool. I also follow football all over the World (like most people). Like wanks, you have some good ones and some bad. Is that ok with YOU ?

[lopez]

...Lopez - I was referring to the 98 campaign which was mentioned in the post that I was replying to...
Fair enough! Ireland should have done enough damage in that group to qualify as of right (which Scotland did). But I there was a period of rebuilding, the en vogue of of the 2-3-3-2 or whatever formation in the Premiership, and McCarthy's international naivete all contributed to this (Keane was also missing a lot, as was McGrath for Macedonia)

His subsequent record but Croatia and Holland proved that he was a class above his successors. I wish I was back in May 2002.


Like wanks, you have some good ones and some bad. Is that ok with YOU ?You've beaten my previous nomination. You're now my post of the month.

[HolylandsMan]

McCarthy was a decent and honourable who did a decent job with Ireland and got shafted by his own fans. He'd do a good job again, proably better than first time round. His teams got the ball on the ground and played football and had they shown a little more conviction away from home, they would have made 2 of the 3 finals Mick was in charge for. Certainly both the results and performance were much better than anything under Kerr and Stan

I'd be gald to have Mick back but, to be honest, after the way he was hounded out, he deserves better than us.

[Noelys Guitar]

He did say last week that he had no problem with the FAI and never once did they interfere in his running of the side. That to me said he would jump at the chance to come back. Would he get this current squad to WC2010. Maybe. Under McCArthy we would beat every team at home bar Italy (and we might beat them). We would beat Cyprus away and Georgia away. We would concede a last minute goal to Montegero for a 1-1! We might get points in Bulgaria and Italy. Both games would be very tight. We would almost certainly still have a chance of qualify right up to the last game.

[Colbert Report]

Mick McCarthy? Did we learn nothing from Saipan?


John Sheridan should be given the job.

[Dr. Ogba]

couldn't be arsed reading through this whole thread but I can't believe that most Irish fans would want McCarthy back...now I was for neither man in Saipan but fact of the matter is that we will never move on from that whole debacle and never have a fresh start unless someone completely independent from previous Irish setups comes in....

Now McCarthy seems like a decent and honourable man but is nothing more than an ok manager for championship level but we desperately need a fresh face that will not guarantee old pals like Keane and Kilbane their places every game...the Irish team needs a shake-up and we're not going to get that by bringing back the ghosts of Saipan...

[gustavo]

Why do people constantly refer to the second tier of English football when describing this man and his abilities?
International football is a totally different thing

[Jacktheman]

Mc Carthy has great experenice in being captain in a world cup and the last manager to get us to the finals he know the irish sprit - unlike some people who have been mention for the job.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Drumcrondra69 - am I not allowed to support more than one team. I am a season ticket holder at a Dublin eL club, go to every Ireland game and I also support Liverpool. I also follow football all over the World (like most people). Like wanks, you have some good ones and some bad. Is that ok with YOU ?

Course you are mate. 2 things though,

1) It was a light hearted reply aimed at someone else who'd called me a 'sorry ass Liverpool fan' for daring to criticise Royston which was a pretty brainless assumption.

2) What's a bad ****?? :D

Btw at no stage have I suggested or would be in favour of McCarthy coming back, I just have issues with teh way his term in charge has been rewritten. Fact is he's our second most sucessful manager ever, if anyone thinks otherwise they're obviously a moron.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Now McCarthy seems like a decent and honourable man but is nothing more than an ok manager for championship level but we desperately need a fresh face that will not guarantee old pals like Keane and Kilbane their places every game...the Irish team needs a shake-up and we're not going to get that by bringing back the ghosts of Saipan...


Hmm, got Millwall to the play offs and had them top of the league when he left. Got Sunderland to the play offs and won the Championship teh following season. Got Wolves to the play offs. I get what you mean but that would suggest he'd an excellent manager at Championship level or at the very least something a lot more then ok.

[Dr. Ogba]

Hmm, got Millwall to the play offs and had them top of the league when he left. Got Sunderland to the play offs and won the Championship teh following season. Got Wolves to the play offs. I get what you mean but that would suggest he'd an excellent manager at Championship level or at the very least something a lot more then ok.

ok i'll meet you halfway...hows about he's a good championship manager then? :)

still don't want him though...

[Dr. Ogba]

Mc Carthy has great experenice in being captain in a world cup and the last manager to get us to the finals he know the irish sprit - unlike some people who have been mention for the job.

sounds very familiar...

[Saint Tom]

sounds very familiar...


no the beloved Roy never captained Ireland in a world cup ;)

[gufct]

:eek::p
no the beloved Roy never captained Ireland in a world cup ;)

[Ireland4ever]

no the beloved Roy never captained Ireland in a world cup ;)

STAN!

[jmurphyc]

ok i'll meet you halfway...hows about he's a good championship manager then? :)

still don't want him though...

Have we sank so low that we are looking for candidates who are good at computer games? :rolleyes: :eek:

[Ireland4ever]

Course you are mate. 2 things though,

1) It was a light hearted reply aimed at someone else who'd called me a 'sorry ass Liverpool fan' for daring to criticise Royston which was a pretty brainless assumption.

2) What's a bad ****?? :D

Btw at no stage have I suggested or would be in favour of McCarthy coming back, I just have issues with teh way his term in charge has been rewritten. Fact is he's our second most sucessful manager ever, if anyone thinks otherwise they're obviously a moron.

So do I!

[Dr. Ogba]

Have we sank so low that we are looking for candidates who are good at computer games? :rolleyes: :eek:


yes, yes we have...

[danonion]

Mick is a hero and a gentleman.

[citizenerased]

lol....ha.hahahaha...Robbed this country of our greatest ever player playing in a world cup...unforgivable...only got the job cos he was charltons little bumchum

[macdermesser]

A fairly predictable direction this thread is taking .. towards a little island in the pacific ocean

[btid1]

lol....ha.hahahaha...Robbed this country of our greatest ever player playing in a world cup...unforgivable...only got the job cos he was charltons little bumchum

:rolleyes:

Some people just cant let go.

GET OVER IT!!! IT WAS 5 YEARS AGO!!!!!

BTW What is the weather like that far up Keane's hole?

[citizenerased]

a bit moist, but a prediction of sunshine for the weekend...;-)

[Jacktheman]

lol....ha.hahahaha...Robbed this country of our greatest ever player playing in a world cup...unforgivable...only got the job cos he was charltons little bumchum


HAHAHAHA ... last man to get us to a finals. its been all down hill since he left . Kerr and this friend return for us to finish FOURTH in the group.

Its all about man management
Wolves to go up on a shoe string budget just like he done with Sunderland

We were no 12 in world seeding when he left .. WHERE ARE WE NOW

Legend

[Dr. Ogba]

A fairly predictable direction this thread is taking .. towards a little island in the pacific ocean


which would imply that if Mick was hired again that's all the papers/fans would be talking about again....reopening old wounds imho...

[Ireland4ever]

last man to get us to a finals.
Legend

I presume your talking about Keane here, his influence on the team heavily outweighed that on the managers at the time. All the players continuously referred to how Keane made them play better, McCarthy was just along for the ride.

[Jacktheman]

I presume your talking about Keane here, his influence on the team heavily outweighed that on the managers at the time. All the players continuously referred to how Keane made them play better, McCarthy was just along for the ride.

When Roy the man came back with the great Kerr we came FOURTH the worst finish in 20 years.:cool:

[Ireland4ever]

When Roy the man came back with the great Kerr we came FOURTH the worst finish in 20 years.:cool:

He was at the end of his career and was suffering from hip problems, shows your lack of knowledge of irish football.

[danonion]

Blue flu is the only thing that Keane ever suffered from. 60 some-odd caps from 1992 to 2006. Lout.


Edit: for disambiguation the above use of lout refers to Keane.

[gustavo]

He was at the end of his career and was suffering from hip problems, shows your lack of knowledge of irish football.
So knowledge of Roy Keanes hip's is a criteria for knowledge of Irish football?:rolleyes:

[Colbert Report]

So knowledge of Roy Keanes hip's is a criteria for knowledge of Irish football?:rolleyes:

Yes, absolutely. Even if you don't like him, he's unquestionably one our greatest players ever. Only McGrath and Liam Brady are worthy of being mentioned in the same breath.

[billybunter]

So knowledge of Roy Keanes hip's is a criteria for knowledge of Irish football?:rolleyes:
yes. anyone that knows how much we leaned on Keano will appreciate that when he was not available for whatever reason, we suffered. We would not have qualified for the world cup in 2002 without him. (cypress away, holland at home, portugal at home etc, etc) so we did come to understand his issues with his hip, his hamstring, and his whatever else meant he could not line out. He was the most influential player that ireland has had over the last 15 years. I dont think anyone could disagree with that.

[Drumcondra 69er]

yes. anyone that knows how much we leaned on Keano will appreciate that when he was not available for whatever reason, we suffered. We would not have qualified for the world cup in 2002 without him. (cypress away, holland at home, portugal at home etc, etc) so we did come to understand his issues with his hip, his hamstring, and his whatever else meant he could not line out. He was the most influential player that ireland has had over the last 15 years. I dont think anyone could disagree with that.

True, when he could be arsed showing up. He missed plenty of games for spurious reasons long before his hip problems. We also wouldn't have qualified without McAteer's 2 goals against Holland or Ian Harte's goals or Robbie Keane's etc. Royston was magnificent that campaign but the way that other players and the managers contributions have been forgotten about and practically airbrushed from history is frankly laughable.

[Supreme feet]

These are Ireland's results between September 1998 and November 2001 - McCarthy's most successful time in charge. Also the time that Keane was in his prime. 'K' denotes games that Keane played. Let's see if there's any discrepancy.

v Croatia 2-0 K
v Malta 5-0 K
v Yugoslavia 0-1 K
v NI 0-1
v Macedonia 1-0
v Yugoslavia 2-1 K
v Croatia 0-1
v Malta 3-2
v Macedonia 1-1
v Turkey 1-1 K
v Turkey 0-0 K
v Czechs 3-2 K
v Greece 0-1
v Scotland 1-2
v Mexico 2-2
v USA 1-1
v S. Africa 2-1
v Holland 2-2 K
v Portugal 1-1 K
v Estonia 2-0 K
v Finland 3-0
v Cyprus 4-0 K
v Andorra 3-0 K
v Andorra 3-1
v Portugal 1-1 K
v Croatia 2-2 K
v Holland 1-0 K
v Cyprus 4-0 K
v Iran 2-0 K
v Iran 0-1

With Keane; played 15, won 9, drew 5, lost 1.
Without Keane; played 15, won 5, drew 4, lost 6.

Bit of a difference. OK, Keane missed a lot of matches, but he still has more caps (67) than John Giles (59), Mick McCarthy (57), Denis Irwin (56) and Ronnie Whelan (53). This would back up the claim of Keane's importance, and refute the detractors who deny Keane's willingness to play for his country. The players mentioned above are upheld as Irish footballing heroes, and Keane derided by some as a traitor. Yet he played more games than them.

[stojkovic]

With Keane; played 15, won 9, drew 5, lost 1.
Without Keane; played 15, won 5, drew 4, lost 6.


Says it all really.

Number of caps is misleading though as in Giles's day they played less games.

Giles was also pulled out of alot of games by Revie because of the lack of a qualified physio on the annual away trips to Poland. Sound familiar.

Ronnie Whelan also pulled out of games for dubious reasons as Liverpool dominated Europe. He got booed at Tolka in 1984 when he paraded the European Cup in a friendly.

[Supreme feet]

Keane will always be a controversial figure, but it remains a fact that in the last ten years, Keane, Irwin and Steve Finnan (whose commitment has recently been called into question) are the only Irishmen to have won the Champions League.

It boils down to a personal choice for us fans - do we want proven winners (who might drop out of the occasional friendly) or do we want honest, limited journeymen who escape from their relegation battles to sweat blood for their country? It appears that we can't survive or thrive without either.

[Stuttgart88]

He (Whelan) got booed at Tolka in a friendly.And at Milltown. There were chants of "Why don't you play for Ireland?" afair.

[naughtb4]

Keane won the champions league???

so did traore biscan etc

id take McCarthy back in a heartbeat must be said