Paul Jewell

[geysir]

A good point, but i think it's fair to say that Charlton took the job to wind down his career and that done no harm...
Far from it
Jack had more than a few chips on his shoulder, one was being ignored by the FA. Starting out in our job he was very determined to prove himself as an international manager.

[Stuttgart88]

Tragic that Dunphy isn´t being consulted :)

Wasn't it his suggestion in the first place?

[Stuttgart88]

Isn't this the way the FAI always does things? Put a name out there, see what the reaction is...

[shakermaker1982]

He's better than Stan and he isn't O'Leary so I'd be content enough.

[Billsthoughts]

why is everyone so anti O Leary? Is martin O Neill really doing that much better a job at villa? (he could well be I havent looked at a premiership table in a while.) I wouldnt mind venables but to be honest we are so low now anyone will do...:(

[Stuttgart88]

why is everyone so anti O Leary? Is martin O Neill really doing that much better a job at villa? (he could well be I havent looked at a premiership table in a while.) I wouldnt mind venables but to be honest we are so low now anyone will do...:(From what little I know of MO'N at Villa he seems to be building a team of young players full of pace, some having come through the ranks, some he has bought. I think the time to judge O'Neill is one or two years from now but it appears he has a plan and is being given time to implement it.

I personally dislike O'Leary and Venables which will affect my opinion, but in the latter's case I think you can scrutinise his last 10-12 years and find little positive in there. Even his Euro 1996 performance doesn't stand up to close scrutiny in my opinion.

[Noelys Guitar]

Wasn't it his suggestion in the first place?

It was indeed Dunphy who first suggested Jewell. Giles and Brady agreed with Dunphy when he brought it up again on RTE. Agreed in the sense that Jewell was the "type" of manager that could do a good job. This could all spiral out of control fairly quickly. With people having "chats" with Johnny and then taking over at club sides instead. Jewell taking over at Preston for example.

[geysir]

I don´t trust the idea of a manager who was pushed by Dunphy actually getting the job.
Bad omen.
If it happened then it could mean in theory all the RTE pundits being "compromised".

When Giles replied that he would help the FAI if asked, he was being sincere without being ego inflated about it.

[colster]

I'd be very happy with Jewell. He's done decent jobs at Bradford and Wigan.

[eirebhoy]

You don't win eight away games, as they did, in your inaugural season in the Premiership without being thoroughly organised, motivated and focussed on the job at hand.
That's an interesting stat that I hadn't heard. Just checked it up. They had more away wins in the premiership in 05/06 than Arsenal and every other team outside the top 3. Last season, even though they finished just above the relegation zone they still had more away wins than everyone in the bottom half, bar Man City.

I think that says a lot. They're home form isn't great but then again, that was in a little town called Wigan.

[Stuttgart88]

I don't really buy into this "compromised" notion.

It's not as if Dunphy hasn't done a u-turn in the past. Owls fan would say he's permanently compromised.

They can say at the start that they're happy with the appointment and then call it as they see it as things progress.

In fairness, any appointment will be speculative to a degree, giving the pundits a "disclaimer" in due course.

I have no idea whether Jewell has the tactical nous needed for international football. In fact I can't really comment on how well Wigan played and whether they were dependent or not on Heskey (the type of player we don't have). However, we don't need another manger who'll indulge the "stars" and in this context I reckon Jewell would make sure the attitude and commitment improves.

Houliier has the CV and the knowledge, but does he have the personality that'll get performances from our players?

Jol would fit somewhere between the two types I think.

[tetsujin1979]

I have no idea whether Jewell has the tactical nous needed for international football. In fact I can't really comment on how well Wigan played and whether they were dependent or not on Heskey (the type of player we don't have). However, we don't need another manger who'll indulge the "stars" and in this context I reckon Jewell would make sure the attitude and commitment improves.
When Jewell was being discussed on NewsTalk, they felt that it was after Wigan bought Heskey, and became over-reliant on him scoring from long balls, that the team started to become less effective.

[Stuttgart88]

When Jewell was being discussed on NewsTalk, they felt that it was after Wigan bought Heskey, and became over-reliant on him scoring from long balls, that the team started to become less effective.
Interesting. He certainly seems to be capable of getting a team to deliver more than the sum of its parts. My instinctive reaction is that he'd be a decent candidate, not the best, but by no means the worst. He could do with us what Sanchez did with the North.

I like the comment above "better than Stan and not O'Leary so fine by me".

[tetsujin1979]

One thing that did occur to me when Jewell emerged as a serious candidate, was that he wouldn't be the most liked candidate by the fans, but he could be the least hated, if that makes any sense.

[soccerc]

One thing that did occur to me when Jewell emerged as a serious candidate, was that he wouldn't be the most liked candidate by the fans, but he could be the least hated, if that makes any sense.

Did you lump on the money when he was the big price as advised Tets? :)

[tetsujin1979]

Did you lump on the money when he was the big price as advised Tets? :)
Nope, but (while I do pay attention to the markets), I'm not much of a gambler.

[co. down green]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7097842.stm

Former Wigan boss Paul Jewell has acknowledged his interest in the vacant Republic of Ireland job.

Jewell has confirmed that he had informal talks with former Republic boss John Giles who is believed to be sounding out candidates for the role.

Giles said that he had held discussions with Jewell but he would not confirm that he is working on behalf of the Football Association of Ireland.

"I'm certainly not ruling it out. I am thinking about it," said Jewell.

Giles added that he had "to treat this situation with confidentiality".

Jewell insisted that his meeting with Giles on Thursday had not been "a formal interview".

[Newryrep]

I like the comment above "better than Stan and not O'Leary so fine by me".

Sorry but that is practically every manager bar O Leary:D

By all means the FAI should sound out who is interested and who isnt but i dont expect/want a decision until a few weeks after the WC draw as we will know how difficult the task will be and as has been mentoned before it will be a few weeks after the Euro places will have been decided and we should know who staying who going managerial wise.

My concern with Jewell is if a high profile Prem job becomes available he will jump ship

[RogerMilla]

One thing that did occur to me when Jewell emerged as a serious candidate, was that he wouldn't be the most liked candidate by the fans, but he could be the least hated, if that makes any sense.

massively valid point, he has no liverpool , man u , leeds etc, bias , no one in the irish fan base really hates wigan or bradford , eh do they ?

[geysir]

I don't really buy into this "compromised" notion....They can say at the start that they're happy with the appointment and then call it as they see it as things progress.
That´s about right,
Giles stance is that the selection is a guess no matter who you get but just eliminate the lingering doubts that the selected manager has not the required experience and let him get on with the job.

[OwlsFan]

I'd be very happy with Jewell. He's done decent jobs at Bradford and Wigan.

50% win/loss ratio at Bradford. That's a decent job :confused:

Terry Venables didn't succeed with a far more talented English team. Why would anyone think he'd do a better job with our average outfit?

Don't worry about this "compromised" ethical stuff being bandied about by the RTE pundits. The poison dwarf originally supported Jack's appointment. U-turns are all part of the RTE panel's game. As Ireland finish bottom of the group under Jewell, Giles "I was wrong Bill. At the time I thought it was the best appointment and you can only go on what you see at the time. I agree now it hasn't worked out". Thereafter he gets crucified and everyone raves about the "honesty" of the RTE panel.

[eirebhoy]

50% win/loss ratio at Bradford. That's a decent job :confused:
I just quickly went through Bradford's manager history on soccerbase and Jewell has the best win percentage at the club since Terry Dolan (87-89). ;)

[colster]

50% win/loss ratio at Bradford. That's a decent job :confused:


He got them promoted and kept them up didn't he? Thats a decent job.
He did the same with Wigan.
Both unfashionable clubs.

[colster]

My concern with Jewell is if a high profile Prem job becomes available he will jump ship

If that happens it will probably be on the back of doing a good job with Ireland.

[ruben_sosa]

I don't know what happened in the second season but when things aren't going great at Wigan you're not exactly going to be uplifted by the fans to get you going again.

and when things aren't going great at Croker you're not exactly going to be uplifted by the fans starting a mexican wave after 20 minutes.

[el punter]

Jewell is a second rate club manager that has as much experience as Staunton in international football. As Dunphy says: "You're watching the start of the next calamity"

[tetsujin1979]

Johnny Giles' interview from last night on NewsTalk: http://83.138.170.50/podcasts/audio/1511giles.mp3
The interviewer (Eoin McDevitt) launches straight questioning about Giles the rumours

[Mayo_Bhoy]

Newstalk are flaggin tonight's Off The Ball programme all day and Giles will be giving an extended interview. After i heard him last night i checked paddypower and Jewell was available at 5/2 so stuck a few bob down.

[OwlsFan]

He got them promoted and kept them up didn't he? Thats a decent job.
He did the same with Wigan.
Both unfashionable clubs.

He lost as many games with Bradford as he won. He lost a lot more than he won with Wednesday. He won more than he lost with Wigan. Not the stuff of greatness. Likes to blame referees a lot ala Steve Bruce. Not sure he's the answer. Didn't get the higher paid Wednesday players to perform. Ireland are not a Wigan or a Bradford. Don't think it would be a disasterous appointment but don't believe he's the answer to our problems.

[Noelys Guitar]

I would advise everybody to get onto the RTE site and listen to the Dunphy interview fom the one o'clock news. Amazing stuff. The gist of the interview is that the 3 or 4 candidates are Jewell, Graham, Copell and Venables. Nobody else. Jewell appears to be the frontrunner by some way and I would now be very surprised if he does not now get the job. I get the feeling that Dunphy is having a big say by infleuncing Giles. Dunphy put forward Jewell and Graham as the types of people we should be talking too.

[shakermaker1982]

I would advise everybody to get onto the RTE site and listen to the Dunphy interview fom the one o'clock news. Amazing stuff. The gist of the interview is that the 3 or 4 candidates are Jewell, Graham, Copell and Venables. Nobody else. Jewell appears to be the frontrunner by some way and I would now be very surprised if he does not now get the job. I get the feeling that Dunphy is having a big say by infleuncing Giles. Dunphy put forward Jewell and Graham as the types of people we should be talking too.

He isn't seriously putting forward George Graham's name (rte website won't stream stuff here in the UK)? The guy is 62 and not had a job in football since Spurs sacked him. I'd keep well clear and the same applies to El Tel.

[tetsujin1979]

He lost as many games with Bradford as he won.
The majority of those losses were in the Premiership with Bradford. And he still kept them up.

[tetsujin1979]

Johnny Giles interview from Off The Ball tonight: http://media.putfile.com/Johnny-Giles-interview-on-Off-The-Ball

[geysir]

Youre fast on the draw Tets, where do you get the off the ball interviews from?
as in from the web site or do you record it and upload it yourself?

[geysir]

Interesting to hear Giles talk so positivly about Jewell, he clearly is impressed by him and thinks he would do a good job.
There was nothing about what happenned after the chat with Jewell if Giles had reported back to Delaney.
Maybee Giles´s brief was just to catch Jewel´s attention our way.

[carloz]

If Jewell is appointed Kilbane is assured to stay and be given a key role in the new side.


^ That's the clincher for me. No to Jewell. A midfield with Kilbane is a really depressing prospect.

Actually Kilbane was stuggling to break into the starting 11 in the last 6 months or so of Jewells tenure. I really dont think there is a candidate we can get that would be accepted by so many. Simple as, not many managers would get a nothing club like Bradford, and then keep them in the Premiership. Then he went and did the same with Wigan. Yes they had money but he consolidated them in the Premiership which was a great acheivement. Plus cast you mind back to last day of last season. Wigan were the favourites to get relegated but they went to their rivals Sheff Utd and beat them. He motivated this team to pull off a great result and things like this show he has the quality to succeed at international management

[kingdom hoop]

Maybee Giles´s brief was just to catch Jewel´s attention our way.

:D Are you drunk? We don't usually see such sloppy spelling and grammar from geysir!

Anyway, listening to Dunphy interviewed (http://www.rte.ie/news/news1pm/) on radio earlier that would appear to have been the objective of the meeting - ie to sell ourselves, tell him we've decent players, great fans, hookers, that kind of thing. Dunphy comes out with one gem, or jewell if you will, in that interview actually when he said something like; we need to tell him that are players aren't crap like Wales and NI! You gotta love the Dunph. :)

[Newryrep]

Jesus thats all we need :mad:

As British prime minister Macmillen said one time when asked about the possibility of asking the people via a referendum, "I'd sooner ask my valet"

[Noelys Guitar]

Johnny Giles interview from Off The Ball tonight: http://media.putfile.com/Johnny-Giles-interview-on-Off-The-Ball

Fair play Tets for posting that. Great interview. Fair play to Johnny Giles for doing what the FAI should be doing ie interviewing potential managers.

[OwlsFan]

Johnny Giles interview from Off The Ball tonight: http://media.putfile.com/Johnny-Giles-interview-on-Off-The-Ball

Thanks for that. But can people not see the farce in the whole thing? An aged TV pundit who loves to repeat himself, phones up the FAI to ask is it ok to talk to Jewell about the manager's job and they say ok (apparently) as they meanwhile try and put together a panel to do interviews for the job. The pundit says he won't be on the panel but has not prejudiced his role as a pundit even if Jewell is appointed because he's not on the panel.

Only in Ireland......

I see Giles was impressed by Jewell's career at Bradford and Wigan. No mention of his performance at his only relatively big club where he couldn't handle the prima donnas and where the results were terrible. I am just not sure.

p.s. WHo is that picture of in the blue and white stripes jersey on your webpage and what club jersey is it? Is it Joey O'B in a Wednesday shirt?

[OwlsFan]

we need to tell him that are players aren't crap like Wales and NI! You gotta love the Dunph. :)

Why? I am sure the Welsh and our Northern brethern who did better than us would really love pejorative comments like that. Love him for mouthing off. Go down O'Connell Street late at night and you hear the same level of comment. Don't you just love that.:mad:

[tetsujin1979]

Youre fast on the draw Tets, where do you get the off the ball interviews from?
as in from the web site or do you record it and upload it yourself?I had the live stream open in a browser and recorded the audio using Audacity - http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ - highly recommended.
I'm not happy with the sound quality, my connection isn't great lately. The interviewer said the interview will be available as a podcast so if/when it is. I'll post a link


Actually Kilbane was stuggling to break into the starting 11 in the last 6 months or so of Jewells tenure.Kilbane's record from last season: http://www.chatsoccer.net/irishabroad/playerDetails.xquery?playerID=4193&seasonID=136
In the second half of the season he didn't start regularly until early April


I really dont think there is a candidate we can get that would be accepted by so many.Goes back to my point that, while he won't be the most loved candidate, he's more than likely the least hated


WHo is that picture of in the blue and white stripes jersey on your webpage and what club jersey is it? Is it Joey O'B in a Wednesday shirt?
Dunno, the photos are random, nothing to do with me

[kingdom hoop]

Why? I am sure the Welsh and our Northern brethern who did better than us would really love pejorative comments like that. Love him for mouthing off. Go down O'Connell Street late at night and you hear the same level of comment. Don't you just love that.:mad:

Sorry OwlsFan, I didn't realise my comments can be so incisive as to reach a nerve! :)

I love him because he is outspoken and entertaining. That doesn't mean I agree with his comments.

[CollegeTillIDie]

As an aside.Jewell was quoted somewhere recently as saying he was overlooked for some jobs because of his Scouse accent. Anti-Scouse prejudice, for those who don't know, is just another form of anti-Irishness. So many Merseysiders have Irish ancestry that to be anti-Scouse in a socially acceptable form of age old anti-Irish prejudice. And you can't be accused of racism cause Scousers are technically English

[osarusan]

Anti-Scouse prejudice, for those who don't know, is just another form of anti-Irishness. So many Merseysiders have Irish ancestry that to be anti-Scouse in a socially acceptable form of age old anti-Irish prejudice. And you can't be accused of racism cause Scousers are technically English

I've never heard this before. Any links to any studies/reports?

[backstothewall]

This would be a great appointment. His track record speaks for its self. He has achieved far more in the game than anyone else seriously linked with the job, or even anyone available.

Getting Wigan and Bradford to the premierhsip, and keeping them there, are far greater achievments than winning a few cups and a UEFA Cup with millions to speand on Liverpool, much greater achievments than winning a scottish league with Rangers and an FA Cup after inheriting one of the great sides in world football history, and greater than getting Leeds to a CL final and almost bankrupting them in the process.

If you wouldn't want him, ask yourself this, who would be better who would take the job??

[geysir]

Thanks for that. But can people not see the farce in the whole thing? An aged TV pundit who loves to repeat himself, phones up the FAI to ask is it ok to talk to Jewell about the manager's job and they say ok (apparently) as they meanwhile try and put together a panel to do interviews for the job. The pundit says he won't be on the panel but has not prejudiced his role as a pundit even if Jewell is appointed because he's not on the panel.
Only in Ireland......

I dont see Giles just as an "aged" tv Pundit, I see him as the greatest Irish football legend. A dedicated player, captain and manager, a mature football man who is held in very high esteem even by young guys like Jewell.
The most positive thing to emerge since Stan was sacked is that he bit the bullit and acted on his initiative for the interests of Irish team. No agenda, no begrudgery, no axes to grind, just start the process to get the best manager available.
Giles coming to the door of a good manager to have a chat about the Irish job is a stroke of diplomacy. Jim McLoughlin or Liam Touhy don't carry the same weight outside Ireland.

[OwlsFan]

I dont see Giles just as an "aged" tv Pundit, I see him as the greatest Irish football legend. A dedicated player, captain and manager, a mature football man who is held in very high esteem even by young guys like Jewell.
The most positive thing to emerge since Stan was sacked is that he bit the bullit and acted on his initiative for the interests of Irish team. No agenda, no begrudgery, no axes to grind, just start the process to get the best manager available.
Giles coming to the door of a good manager to have a chat about the Irish job is a stroke of diplomacy. Jim McLoughlin or Liam Touhy don't carry the same weight outside Ireland.

Giles is also a failed Irish manager by the way. I respect Giles as a former player and greatly admired him when he played for Ireland and Leeds. But the rest of his career I have no time for. Himself and Dunphy perpetually on RTE with no dissenting voice attacking Hand, Charlton and McCarthy for years. If he wants to act as kingmaker with Dunphy pulling the strings, so be it but I won't respect him for it and then put out PR stuff that this won't affect his role as a pundit. of course it will if Jewell, the failed Wednesday manager (mind you there are a lot of them ;)) is appointed. We now have the situation where the RTE pundits are selecting the next Irish manager.

I suppose if for the first time since Giles himself was manager, the Irish manager won't be viscerated on RTE by the "experts", this probably might not be a bad thing.

[kingdom hoop]

Owlsfan, who were the prima donnas you say he couldn't manage at Wednesday? Searching my brain's deepest recesses I'm thinking maybe Gilles de Bilde (pretty crap anyway) and Wim Jonk, who'd probably lost any hunger he had at that stage. Enlighten us if you would please. :)

Any other titbits from his Wednesday tenure?

[Stuttgart88]

I don't have the software to listen to Tets' link but will be able to listen to it tomorrow at work.

From what I hear though Giles simply felt the FAI was dragging its heels and feared that Jewell would get a club job imminently so he asked to speak to him to sell the idea to him. I see this as the selfless act of a guy who cares but maybe I'm being naive.

Reading the Sunday Indo today it appears worryingly more likely that Venables is in the frame.Then again I have little respect for the Sunday Indo's writers.