Liam Brady

[Stuttgart88]

July '81 so he's 26 (after a quick reference to Tetsujin's website). Same age as Miller and a better player in my opinion, not as skillful but far more effective. International standard? Probably not but given the sheer number of people Stan picked you'd think Doyle would have been given a look.

[citizenerased]

jaysus...had it in my head he was younger..suppose he has been in the squad nearly two years now

[jmurphyc]

jaysus...had it in my head he was younger..suppose he has been in the squad nearly two years now

I think you're thinking of the wrong Doyle. He's referring to Michael Doyle.

[citizenerased]

apologies...lol...thats what ya get when you just glance at threads...

[RogerMilla]

Did Quinn hire Brady as Sunderland manager then? No , and he was damn right not to.
The secret to being Ireland manager is winning matches and Brady is not the best man for the job. Quinn can pontificate all he wants , i just hope the selection team are not listening.

[Noelys Guitar]

Brady would be the FAI's stage 3 of a 3 stage plan to ruin the national team. Great player but would have Given's like run ins with some of this current group of players. And that is not what we need at this time.

[Noelys Guitar]

One of the many attacks on Brady the player by Dunphy. He wrote this after Ireland had squandered a 2-0 lead against Holland at Dalymount. Holland came back and won 3-2.
Taken from Wikepedia
After Ireland lost a two goal lead against Holland in 1983 Dunphy wrote about Liam Brady:

"" He is often looked on as a great player. He is nothing of the kind. His performance on Wednesday was a disgrace, a monument to conceit adorned with vanity and self-indulgence, rendered all the more objectional by the swagger of his gait. He was deemed by many observers to have had a splendid game.""

Brady was brilliant in the first half of that game. Gullit ran the show in the second half.

[Stuttgart88]

yeah, but the PA announcer cost us the game. everyone, including the Irish defence, was looking at the shed roof thinking imminent death was on the cards while Gullit headed in a corner at 2-2.

[Noelys Guitar]

yeah, but the PA announcer cost us the game. everyone, including the Irish defence, was looking at the shed roof thinking imminent death was on the cards while Gullit headed in a corner at 2-2.

The shed bouncing up and down. Was that nutters or the wind? Can't remember. Also Grealish got injured near the end of the first half and for some reason Hand kept him on the park. We only had ten fit players for the rest of the match. Only for the Dutch keeper(van Breauklen? who looked like he was very fond of his pomme frites) we would have been 5-0 up at half-time. I can remember one incredible ball from Brady to Stapleton who hammered it with his head goalwards only for the Dutch keeper to get his fingertips on it.

[Jerry The Saint]

“The secret to Ireland doing well is to get someone who can work with the young lads, help them make the step-up from having a few caps to actually going and achieving.

“The person that springs to my mind is Liam Brady, he’s one that all the players have serious respect for. People question his record at Celtic but it

Quinn is full of crap...didnt we try this with brian kerr...he wouldnt get the respect of the players at all!!

Quinn was one of the more openly anti-Kerr pundits right from the start. He's not so much interested in a manager who can "work with the young lads" as a manager who was "one of the lads", an ex-teammate, which is why all the old players were delighted to see Staunton get the job last time. I suspect that Houghton would also be of the opinion that reputation as a player, respect of the dressing room, blah-blah are the most important factors which would explain why Brady's odds have shortened since he joined the panel.

[Fergie's Son]

This would be a major step back pure and simple.

[irishfan86]

One thing I will say for Brady is that he does coach more attractive, footballing football.

The ball will be played on the ground, and this more stylish approach may suit the players we have, and bring us more success against continental teams.

Despite his inability to win the league at Celtic, they played very attractive, good football by all accounts.

[Paddy Garcia]

Did Quinn hire Brady as Sunderland manager then? No , and he was damn right not to.


Great point. Is it unreasonable to expect the appointment of a manager who has had success.

Or even a little bit of success as opposed to only failure.

[Colbert Report]

Who cares about attractive football? This is international football, we play less than ten times per year. Give it a lash Jack! Long live ugly, long ball!

[irishfan86]

Who cares about attractive football? This is international football, we play less than ten times per year. Give it a lash Jack! Long live ugly, long ball!

We don't have strong, physical players.

Our best players are skill players, footballers who like to play with the ball on the ground- Keane, Andy Reid, McGeady, Duff, Ireland.

Hoofing it up to our under 6 foot forwards Keane and Doyle won't do anything, we need to work it around midfield and down the wings, keeping it on the ground.

If our core was big physical players I'd have no problem going back to the big Jack style of play, but we don't have those players, and need to mold our playing style to accommodate the players we've got.

[blackholesun]

Id sooner Brady get the job than that over the hill chancer Venables ...

Would still go for Jol myself!

bhs

[eekers]

haha brady got celtic to play attractive football.
even stan could be get someone to pass the ball around against dundee and falkirk.

brady hasnt a chance of getting the job either does venables. o'leary will be choosen ahead of those two at least

[irishfan86]

I have a hard time believing that Wenger would allow a coach as **** as you all believe to manage his young superstars in the making.

[eekers]

brady doesnt coach at arsenal
he's a director of the academy.
steve bould does all the coaching.

[Paddy Garcia]

I have a hard time believing that Wenger would allow a coach as **** as you all believe to manage his young superstars in the making.

It's an entirely different role. Hes tried management twice. And failed twice.

[Kingdom]

Quinn was one of the more openly anti-Kerr pundits right from the start. He's not so much interested in a manager who can "work with the young lads" as a manager who was "one of the lads", an ex-teammate, which is why all the old players were delighted to see Staunton get the job last time. I suspect that Houghton would also be of the opinion that reputation as a player, respect of the dressing room, blah-blah are the most important factors which would explain why Brady's odds have shortened since he joined the panel.


Excellent signature. We were discussing the job at xmas drinks last night, and one of the guys who I felt knew his stuff was practically jizzing off at the thought of Brady being manager. Couldn't understand it myself.
The only negative utterings about Brady were that his stance on problem players (a la S**pan), insofar as he indicated he would be unlikely to try solve a problem but very likely to eradicate it.

[Desyf]

Brady has done f#ck all as a manager so from an FAI perspective he's a shoe in:eek:

It's a joke.

Being a great player does not automatically make you a great manager.

And as for the suggestion that Wenger wouldn't allow a sh#te manager/coach like Brady to look after his youth...well....how may of those youth players does Wenger actually put any faith in ????

[Drumcondra 69er]

Brady has done f#ck all as a manager so from an FAI perspective he's a shoe in:eek:

It's a joke.

Being a great player does not automatically make you a great manager.

And as for the suggestion that Wenger wouldn't allow a sh#te manager/coach like Brady to look after his youth...well....how may of those youth players does Wenger actually put any faith in ????

???? ****loads. Just happens that none of them are English and some are at other clubs initially but he'd have worked with the likes of Fabregas and Clichy.

[kingdom hoop]

The youth system at the Arse is one of the best, most holistically orientated, around. Some credit must go to Brady for that. Of course, however, that has little or nothing to do with being a suitable candidate for our manager.

[eekers]

The youth system at the Arse is one of the best, most holistically orientated, around. Some credit must go to Brady for that. Of course, however, that has little or nothing to do with being a suitable candidate for our manager.

agree completely with this

[Deckydee]

No Way - No Brady Bunch

[carloz]

Id actually be quite happy with him, not my number one choice but i would still be happy. Just listeng to him on RTE it is plainly obvious that he really knows his stuff and is very good on the technical side of the game, unlike Giles and Dunphy. And as a few people have pointed out, he will get us playing good attracitve football, which is what we have the players for. Simply put we dont have the squad to play the long ball physical game anymore. Cyprus were head and shoulders above us in stature and bossed us in the physical aspects of both our recent encounters. The only thing is that iwould want a very capable coach with Brady, someone of the standard of Hughton. Any man that has been learning from Wenger for the past 10 years has to be cosidered IMO

[eekers]

The only thing is that iwould want a very capable coach with Brady, someone of the standard of Hughton.

hughton is extremely overrated as a coach.
ramos and alvarez have been reportedly shocked by the standard of coaching that was happening under jol.
hughton was mainly a defense coach for a team with a terrible defense record

[Stuttgart88]

Hughton just came out and advocated Venables too, suggesting the Jol/Hughton ticket is a non-runner. Hughton cited Venables' "aura".

[Condex]

There is no way Brady will get the job..

I just laid £20 against him getting thew job at 3.3

[tetsujin1979]

There is no way Brady will get the job..

I just laid £20 against him getting thew job at 3.3
it's looking likely he won't get it alright, from today's Indo: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/top-level-experience-a-must-for-ireland-job-1241658.html

John Delaney has made public some of the criteria which will form the basis for the selection of the next Irish manager and they appear to rule out the current second-favourite Liam Brady.

"Without commenting on anyone individually, you have got to look at their record over a period of time in management," Delaney said. "One criterion that I can say is that we want someone who has actually managed internationally or managed at a high level in terms of Premiership football, be it in England or in a European country. I think it is important that somebody would have managed at that level, that is one of the key criteria."

[Bondvillain]

John Delaney has made public some of the criteria which will form the basis for the selection of the next Irish manager and they appear to rule out the current second-favourite Liam Brady.

"Without commenting on anyone individually, you have got to look at ThEiR Record over a period of time in management," Delaney said. "One criterion that I can saY is that we want someone who has actually managed internationally or managed at a high leVEl in terms of Premiership football, be it in eNgland or in A European country. I think it is important that someBody would have managed at that LEvel, that iS one of the key criteria."


"And I am am of course, speaking the truth." ;)

The bould Johhny D, spelling it out for us there.

[eekers]

One criterion that I can say is that we want someone who has actually managed internationally or managed at a high level in terms of Premiership football, be it in England or in a European country

stan would fit in to this.
as would brady he managed celtic (in the top league in a european country).
in fact nearly everyone on the bookies list would.
it has no time frame or success level attached

[gspain]

.
as would brady he managed celtic (in the top league in a european country).

I thought they were always in the Scottish league. :confused:

[TonyD]

I thought they were always in the Scottish league. :confused:

Fnar, fnar:D

[geysir]

Whats the problem, eekers is factually correct.
The SPL is the top league in Scotland which is a country in Europe.

[Paddy Garcia]

stan would fit in to this.


How would he ?

Unless you mean now, having f**ked up the Ireland job.

[Jerry The Saint]

One criterion that I can say is that we want someone who has actually managed internationally or managed at a high level in terms of Premiership football, be it in England or in a European country

That's some horribly tortured sentence construction right there, even by Delaney's low standards.


managed at a high level in terms of Premiership football


be it in England or in a European country

Your bias is showing John :rolleyes:

[eekers]

How would he ?

Unless you mean now, having f**ked up the Ireland job.

yep i mean now, stan would qualify with the current criteria.

[macdermesser]

GyiAjUR6Obg

if my granny had balls ... and the leery look at the end.

dourness personified .. no thanks. (He shoved me out of the way when i asked him to sign my programme back in 1987 .. so its a personal vendetta ;-)

He might have been a candidate last time round, but can't see the FAI taking risks this time round.

[Noelys Guitar]

GyiAjUR6Obg

if my granny had balls ... and the leery look at the end.

dourness personified .. no thanks. (He shoved me out of the way when i asked him to sign my programme back in 1987 .. so its a personal vendetta ;-)

He might have been a candidate last time round, but can't see the FAI taking risks this time round.

Classic clip. Touch of the David Brent's about it. Brady is no Stan and I don't care about dourness as long as the manager knows what hes doing. I wonder how he would have done managing in the Premiership or Serie A? Its a pity he got ****ed off with management in the 90's.

[youngirish]

Classic clip. Touch of the David Brent's about it. Brady is no Stan and I don't care about dourness as long as the manager knows what hes doing. I wonder how he would have done managing in the Premiership or Serie A? Its a pity he got ****ed off with management in the 90's.

He didn't get p*ssed off so to speak. No decent club would touch him with a barge pole so why should we? The only option that could possibly be worse than Stan (I'd say Souness would be bad but would still constitute an improvement).

[Noelys Guitar]

He didn't get p*ssed off so to speak. No decent club would touch him with a barge pole so why should we? The only option that could possibly be worse than Stan (I'd say Souness would be bad but would still constitute an improvement).

It is much easier to "retire" when nobody wants you.

[osarusan]

Its a pity he got ****ed off with management in the 90's.
It's not so much a case of him getting pi$$ed of with management as clubs realising he couldn't manage very well at all.

[Kingdom]

Despite his inability to win the league at Celtic, they played very attractive, good football by all accounts.

This line worries me. "By all accounts" suggest to me, thta you never saw his Celtic team play. I didn't. All I know is that he was a manager who didn't win the league at a time when it was a 2 horse race.
Not too many people are mentioning his time at Brighton, which was not successful either.
I like him, he was a genius player, has plenty of moral courage (the anecdote about scoring the League winning penalty for the Biaconeri even though Platini was replacing him one such example), but he is not what is needed for the job.

[Paulh]

This line worries me. "By all accounts" suggest to me, thta you never saw his Celtic team play. I didn't. All I know is that he was a manager who didn't win the league at a time when it was a 2 horse race.
Not too many people are mentioning his time at Brighton, which was not successful either.
I like him, he was a genius player, has plenty of moral courage (the anecdote about scoring the League winning penalty for the Biaconeri even though Platini was replacing him one such example), but he is not what is needed for the job.

Before moving abroad, I was a regular at Parkhead for many years including (unfortunately) Brady's time there.

I accept that the club didn't have a great deal of money at the time. However, they were simply dire under Brady. Also, any money that he did have was blown on poor signings. He spent a large proportion of the budget on Stuart Slater from West Ham who was truly awful.

The football that his team produced was of a very poor standard and Brady seem to be unable to recognise when his tactics weren't working and change them.

I understand that he has done an excellent job at the Arsenal academy and I would certainly like to see him have some role in the Ireland set-up.

However, he has failed twice as a club manager and Ireland just can't afford to take a chance this time. Frankly, I would rather have O'leary or even Venables than Brady.

My personal 1st choice would be Hodgson (by a mile) or Coppell if he was interested.

I really think that Venables will get it although I hope not. I do agree with Giles that, if Venables were truly focussed on the job, he could do well. He is certainly a fine coach and it is hard to find a player who played under him who does not rate his coaching ability.

However, it's a big gamble that he will give it 100% and be prepared to see the job through. His track record over the last 10 years doesn't inspire a lot of confidence on that front.

If he does, the FAI should demand that he is NOT allowed to write a weekly column in a tabloid while he is the manager (it was ridiculous that the English FA allowed him to do so).

[TonyD]

"be it in England or in a European country"



What continent does Delaney think England is part of then ?

[SuperDave]

"Without commenting on anyone individually, you have got to look at their RecOrd over a period of time in management," DelaneY said. "One criterion tHat I can say is that we want sOmeone who has actually manageD internationally or manaGed at a high level in termS of Premiership fOotball, be it in eNgland or in a European country. I think it is important that somebody would have managed at that level, that is one of the key criteria."

what's the point?

[shanman2]

"Without commenting on anyone individually, you have got to look at their RecOrd over a period of time in management," DelaneY said. "One criterion tHat I can say is that we want sOmeone who has actually manageD internationally or manaGed at a high level in termS of Premiership fOotball, be it in eNgland or in a European country. I think it is important that somebody would have managed at that level, that is one of the key criteria."

what's the point?

Very Good nicely done!!!:D:D

[Ash]

Also, any money that he did have was blown on poor signings. He spent a large proportion of the budget on Stuart Slater from West Ham who was truly awful.

He was class with West Ham though