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lofty9
22/10/2007, 12:55 PM
Is Johnny Mac under any pressure from the Pats board? Or is this just someone putting a team to Kenny's name for the sake of it. Looks like Kenny is washed up with the Pars anyhow.
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/10/22/sportstory10449378t0.asp
The end of Stephen Kenny’s reign as the manager of Dunfermline Athletic appears to be approaching.
The embarrassing nature of the weekend defeat at the hands of first division leaders Hamilton Accies—who, just 10 games into the campaign, the Pars now trail by 13 points—has heightened concerns within the East End Park boardroom over where the club are headed under Kenny’s leadership.
In the wake of Saturday’s 5-0 home thrashing, I understand a parting of the ways is being considered.
With 18 months left to run on his contract, sacking the former Derry City boss would cost Dunfermline the best part of £200,000.
However, if rumours that St Patrick’s Athletic want Kenny to return to Ireland and take charge there are true, then it could be there is a less painful solution to be found to the situation.
Kenny arrived at East End Park 11 months ago with a great reputation and led Dunfermline to last season’s Tennent’s Scottish Cup final, beating Rangers, Hearts and Hibs along the way. He also has steered them to this term’s Challenge Cup final.
However, he failed to prevent the club from being relegated from the SPL and under his leadership they have won just nine of 34 league games—three of 10 in the first division.
Going straight back up is a financial imperative for the Pars but the manner in which they are performing suggests there is little chance of that happening and that is why a worried board are contemplating managerial change.
In the aftermath of the loss to Accies, Kenny was talking about soldiering on.
“Being fifth in the league ten games into the season is not where we want to be but we have to make sure that we prepare well for Stirling next week and try to get a win,” he said.
Last night, however, there was considerable doubt over whether he’ll still be in charge for the trip to Albion.
Bomb Landsdowne
22/10/2007, 1:12 PM
Great if true. Would be the perfect manager to have to steer Pats into its bright hopefully successful future.
el punter
22/10/2007, 1:16 PM
What's the case against Johnny Mc lads?
Jerry The Saint
22/10/2007, 1:18 PM
I heard on the radio this morning that Kenny was "on the verge" of returning to the eircom League. Looking at the likely managerial situation at each club, this could only mean a return to Longford (;)) or a return to Pats. Would love to see it (it would be tough on McDonnell, especially if he gets Pats into UEFA, but Kenny is too big a talent to let pass by - it happened before and set us back a few seasons).
The important thing for any new man coming into Pats is that they will be fully aware of Kerr's role and their own responsibilities. No matter the spin put on it at the time, Johnny Mac's job was not the same as he signed up for so there was always going to be a difficult adjustment period. This is why people say the "Director of Football" thing "never works". It doesn't work if it's imposed on managers but in countries where it is the accepted management format it seems to work fine.
Sheridan
22/10/2007, 1:22 PM
McDonnell had some kind of joint-management arrangement with John Toal originally, didn't he?
McDonnell had some kind of joint-management arrangement with John Toal originally, didn't he?
No, Toal was his assistant. Lasted less than 6 months and then slipped away.
dcfcsteve
22/10/2007, 1:31 PM
Two observations :
1) This appears to vindicate the large number of people who said he was an idiot to go to Dunfermline in the first place.
2) No doubt many of you will disagree, but Pats would be a backwards step for Kenny versus where he was before he left the EL. He left a club with ambitious plans for a new stadium and the biggest fan-base in the league, who were on the verge of a treble. If he does join Pats he'll be going to a club who have blown their shot at the league this season, seem jinxed against wining Cups, who have a badly laid-out stadium with extremely limited capacity, and a relatively small fan-base who can't even out-number away fans at a Cup Final within a few miles of their own home.
The acid test question is 'would Kenny have left City for Pats' ? The answer to which is clearly 'no'. So if this does transpire it would be a step backwards, and an indication of the fact that no better job would be available for him in the league.
*Straps on hard hat....*
Red4Eva
22/10/2007, 1:34 PM
johnny mac and his staff got fired friday week ago, just hasn't been made public.
The acid test question is 'would Kenny have left City for Pats' ? The answer to which is clearly 'no'.
You've obviously never talked to the man about his love for the club he's always supported, and the club who introduced him to League of Ireland football, both as player and manager.
Now the question is, hot shot, do you think I'm bluffing like you are, or am I 100% spot on? ;)
TheSaint2002
22/10/2007, 1:39 PM
No doubt many of you will disagree, but Pats would be a backwards step for Kenny versus where he was before he left the EL. He left a club with ambitious plans for a new stadium and the biggest fan-base in the league, who were on the verge of a treble. If he does join Pats he'll be going to a club who have blown their shot at the league this season, seem jinxed against wining Cups, who have a badly laid-out stadium with extremely limited capacity, and a relatively small fan-base who can't even out-number away fans at a Cup Final within a few miles of their own home.
yes it tough to match up to the lofty heights of DCFC as they are clearly the lords of all creation :rolleyes:
charliesboots
22/10/2007, 1:40 PM
Two observations :
1) This appears to vindicate the large number of people who said he was an idiot to go to Dunfermline in the first place.
2) No doubt many of you will disagree, but Pats would be a backwards step for Kenny versus where he was before he left the EL. He left a club with ambitious plans for a new stadium and the biggest fan-base in the league, who were on the verge of a treble. If he does join Pats he'll be going to a club who have blown their shot at the league this season, seem jinxed against wining Cups, who have a badly laid-out stadium with extremely limited capacity, and a relatively small fan-base who can't even out-number away fans at a Cup Final within a few miles of their own home.
The acid test question is 'would Kenny have left City for Pats' ? The answer to which is clearly 'no'. So if this does transpire it would be a step backwards, and an indication of the fact that no better job would be available for him in the league.
*Straps on hard hat....*
You obviously missed out on the big news story of the year Steve.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/sport/2007/0314/1173824809985.html
dcfcsteve
22/10/2007, 1:45 PM
You obviously missed out on the big news story of the year Steve.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/sport/2007/0314/1173824809985.html
Didn't miss that at all. But it doesn't change my view.
You still have a relatively small fan-base and a limited stadium with fundamental and seemingly insurmountable access problems. Money can't solve everything.
lofty9
22/10/2007, 1:47 PM
I doubt he'd work with Kerr looking over his shoulder though.
He should really take a sabbatical in his house in Donegal and wait for the right job to come up in that area..........
like sheep sha$$ing :p
I doubt he'd work with Kerr looking over his shoulder though.
I would agree.Who in their right mind would take the job with someone like Kerr hovering?
charliesboots
22/10/2007, 1:52 PM
Didn't miss that at all. But it doesn't change my view.
You still have a relatively small fan-base and a limited stadium with fundamental and seemingly insurmountable access problems. Money can't solve everything.
I bow to your superior knowledge of Inchicore and of who owns the buildings surrounding Richmond Park on all sides!
Plus Dodge's point in hugely valid - If we hadn't appointed Johnny Mac just before Kenny left Bohs he would have had a straight choice between Derry and Pats and I've absolutely no doubt who he would have picked.
dcfcsteve
22/10/2007, 1:55 PM
I bow to your superior knowledge of Inchicore and of who owns the buildings surrounding Richmond Park on all sides!
Who does own the buildings btw ? :confused:
Who owns the river too.....? ;)
In all fairness, the Brandywell isn't exactly a super fantastic location for a stadium either.
I doubt he'd work with Kerr looking over his shoulder though.
Whatever about that, it's the whingey feckin voice that would make me want to punch him.
Who does own the buildings btw ? :confused:
Who owns the river too.....? ;)
DO you need it spelt out for you?
Oh and Rovers can be diverted ;) Ever hear of a bridge?
dcfcsteve
22/10/2007, 2:02 PM
In all fairness, the Brandywell isn't exactly a super fantastic location for a stadium either.
It's not about the neighbourhood Mr A :o
It's about the ability to expand. We have that at the Brandywell. Pats don't currently at Richmond.
It's not about the neighbourhood Mr A :o
It's about the ability to expand. We have that at the Brandywell. Pats don't currently at Richmond.
yes we do. see above.
dcfcsteve
22/10/2007, 2:06 PM
DO you need it spelt out for you?
Yes. :D
I know Pats own one of the buildings along the Richmond Rd (assuming that's the name of the main road), and I think you also own McDowells as well. Have you or your owners picked up all the others in the surrounding vacinity ? What about that new building behind the non-Camac goal end ? :confused:
Philly
22/10/2007, 2:10 PM
So, er, what exactly has McDonnell done to deserve the sack? :confused:
Sheridan
22/10/2007, 2:10 PM
Richmond Road is in Drumcondra, where Tolka Park is situated. Pat's own 125 Emmett Road.
I can't see Kenny being much of a success there in a primarily coaching mode. His singular genius lies in persuading yokels to love him by pushing their buttons.
The holding company that owns Pats owns several pieces of land on Emmet Road, and other roads adjoining Richmond park
Sheridan
22/10/2007, 2:11 PM
So, er, what exactly has McDonnell done to deserve the sack? :confused:
Nearly got them relegated a couple of times?
charliesboots
22/10/2007, 2:17 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7056573.stm
Kenny dismisses talk of departure
Stephen Kenny insists his job is not under threat and that Dunfermline can still win the Division One title - despite a 5-0 thrashing by Hamilton.
Saturday's home defeat leaves the Pars 13 points adrift and led to speculation about Kenny's position as manager.
But he said: "It is ridiculously early. We are only a quarter of the way into the season. There's a long way to go.
"It was a disappointing result and we have given ourselves a lot to do, but I am confident we can do it."
BBC Sport understands that Dunfermline's board were due to discuss the manager's position at their meeting on Monday.
And Kenny has had to dismiss speculation linking him with a January move to Eircom League outfit St Patrick's Athletic.
"I am manager of Dunfermline and that's the reality," he said.
"The manager of St Pat's is a personal friend of mine and it's very unhelpful this kind of stuff."
Kenny has even been quoted by some bookmakers as among the favourites for the Republic of Ireland job should Steve Staunton leave that post.
But the Dunfermline manager was sure that he could turn around the fortunes of his present club this season.
"We knew at the start of the season that the last team to get relegated and then promoted were Hibs 10 years ago," said the man who led Dunfermline to the Scottish Cup final last term.
"And I don't remember losing that heavily at home before in my career.
"But my record speaks for itself."
Kenny pointed out that mistakes by central defender Sol Bamba cost his side against the Accies.
"I think it was just one of those situations where we conceded three early goals from very basic errors," he said.
"We had only conceded eight goals in our last nine matches, so we are very good defensively and the player in question has been outstanding for us.
"He came back late from international duty in Africa and these are things you can't legislate for.
"But we cannot pin it on one player. Collectively, we were not good enough, while Hamilton were fantastic."
The acid test question is 'would Kenny have left City for Pats' ? The answer to which is clearly 'no'. So if this does transpire it would be a step backwards, and an indication of the fact that no better job would be available for him in the league.
Not sure about that - when his star was rising with us, it was always the fear that he'd leave for Pats. It was a genuine surprise that he left for anyone else tbh.
Was Kerr not manager when he was at Pats first time around anyway?
charliesboots
22/10/2007, 2:28 PM
Steve have a look at this - Richmond Park (http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w309/charliesboots/RichmondPk.jpg?t=1193062867)
Note that the bare area behind the Kilmainham (shed) end is now a multistory apartment complex or flats as we call them!
The holding company own several properties on Emmet Road including 125 (club office) and McDowells.
They also own properties on Inchicore Road which can provide access from that side. The club have a leasehold on the land from the Camac side to the houses on Inchicore Road (the tree area on the picture).
The factories behind the goal at the Inchicore end are up for sale.
That's as much as I'm gonna spell it out.
Student Mullet
22/10/2007, 2:31 PM
Wherever Kenny ends up, I don't think his main concern will be the stadium access routes.
charliesboots
22/10/2007, 2:32 PM
Wherever Kenny ends up, I don't think his main concern will be the stadium access routes.
exactly :D
Was Kerr not manager when he was at Pats first time around anyway?
Nah, Dolan was manager in 1997. Who was in charge is anyone's guess
Seems very harsh on Johnny Mac as he is within a whisker of getting 2nd place in the league. Worst case scenario might be Inter Toto Cup place. I seem to remember Pats fans suggesting earlier that the team had made great strides from last years mid table position...
Pats have more money than Derry so would be a better position. Only by managing a Dublin club successfully would Kenny get the credit he is due.
Derry City stadium plans seem to be just ideas at the moment & potential for development at Richmond Park is very limited - no use owning houses on Richmond Road as would be financial suicide to bulldoze them.
paul_oshea
22/10/2007, 2:49 PM
so basically they dont own the flats behind the shed then CB?!
I remember those flats have they not been there for about 5 - 10 years? I am assuming the factories are on the left side of the stadium in that pic? I cant make out old kilmainham road ( or is that only called that from the other side :) or i am talking crap) from there though or the river?!
I assume the holding company are going to purchase the factories then?
I cant make out old kilmainham road ( or is that only called that from the other side :) or i am talking crap) from there though or the river?!
Here it is on Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=53.341072,-6.315701&spn=0.002934,0.007231&z=17&om=1)
Here's the corresponding satelitte image (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=53.34088,-6.315808&spn=0.002934,0.007231&t=k&z=17&om=1)
its in the space between Emmet Road and Inchicore Road. The "new" apartments are btween Myra Cottages and Camac Court. The river runs parallel to Inchicore road
bigmac
22/10/2007, 3:53 PM
Just wondering then, if the long term plan is to shift the ground a bit towards the inchicore end? - would give the space then for a stand by those apartments. Not trying to be funny, but I wouldn't mind it being spelled out a bit either - what sort of plans are in the pipeline? Is the access going to be shifted to the other side of the river or what?
Here it is on Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=53.341072,-6.315701&spn=0.002934,0.007231&z=17&om=1)
Is that a crop circle on the left? :p
DmanDmythDledge
22/10/2007, 5:04 PM
This thread reminds of the current back page of STIG; google earth image of Richmond Park with the caption;
"Find the piece of land not owned by a property developer"
Saint MacDara
22/10/2007, 5:06 PM
This thread reminds of the current back page of STIG; google earth image of Richmond Park with the caption;
Thankfully nobody read it.
DmanDmythDledge
22/10/2007, 5:09 PM
Nice to know that you are aware of our sales details.
cestlavie
22/10/2007, 6:14 PM
According to the grapevine, Kenny getting sacked Is not only due to the fact that the team are not performing but there are some Issues relating to his off the field antics.;) He done a good job at Derry but he cost them the league by agreeing to go to Dung-fermline before the season's end. Everybody wished him the best but it wasnt a clever decision in hindsight. Id say, he wishes he'd have stayed in Ireland now and he wouldnt be in as much bother as he is now.:cool:
Buile Shuibhne
22/10/2007, 6:27 PM
According to the grapevine, Kenny getting sacked Is not only due to the fact that the team are not performing but there are some Issues relating to his off the field antics.;)
I believe he left 'issues' in Derry too before having to leave
Dalymountrower
22/10/2007, 6:28 PM
"Off field activities"...? Stephen hasn`t taken to selling dodgey scrag end cuts again has he? Stogiegate?:eek:
By the way St Shelbourne Athletics expansionist tactics are now well known to the Local Autorties after they recently tried to claim jump city council land either side of the Camac. Don`t expect a sympathetic ear if your altruistic property developer owner comes calling to the planning offices on changing the use of the lands he got from the Saints for a song. The councillors can be bought though so he should do alright!
So when are you announcing the move to Tallaght?
charliesboots
22/10/2007, 6:43 PM
So when are you announcing the move to Tallaght?
When your new stadium is built
soccerc
22/10/2007, 6:47 PM
"
By the way St Shelbourne Athletics expansionist tactics are now well known to the Local Autorties after they recently tried to claim jump city council land either side of the Camac. Don`t expect a sympathetic ear if your altruistic property developer owner comes calling to the planning offices on changing the use of the lands he got from the Saints for a song. The councillors can be bought though so he should do alright!
So when are you announcing the move to Tallaght?
Coming from a Margarine Kid all of the above must be a FACT!
joeSoap
22/10/2007, 7:47 PM
He would not be in this mess right now if he didn't stay on til Derry played the cup final last season. He got Dunfermline to within a whisker of staying up and if he went there three weeks earlier when the regular season ended they probably would have stayed up.
Ergo...Dunfermline getting relegated was Derry Citys fault.:p
According to the grapevine, Kenny getting sacked Is not only due to the fact that the team are not performing but there are some Issues relating to his off the field antics.;) :
Back to his natural home so? :D
There was some talk about his personal life not long ago, including him leaving issues before he left here. If he was to leave I wouldnt be one bit suprised if he and Robbo were to swap, with Robbo going to Dunfermline.
He has made it clear that he wants to return to Scotland not too far down the line, and he was linked to the Inverness job with a wall of silence from him, no comment on it until they got Brewster. Its really a wait and see time.
paul_oshea
23/10/2007, 10:08 AM
Here it is on Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=53.341072,-6.315701&spn=0.002934,0.007231&z=17&om=1)
Here's the corresponding satelitte image (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=53.34088,-6.315808&spn=0.002934,0.007231&t=k&z=17&om=1)
its in the space between Emmet Road and Inchicore Road. The "new" apartments are btween Myra Cottages and Camac Court. The river runs parallel to Inchicore road
Ya thats what I thought, manys a trip on the 78A out to clondalkin comes back to me ( what an experience! ) :D
Dalymountrower
23/10/2007, 12:21 PM
Coming from a Margarine Kid all of the above must be a FACT!
No idea what a Margarine Kid is:confused: Are you denying that City Council turfed St Shels out from the north bank of the Camac recently?
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