Ireland 0-0 Germany- Post game thread

[OneRedArmy]

This thread is like one big wind-up.

Last night was mediocre at very best. The two Germans sat beside me were ashamed of their team, which puts our performance in context.

Keane is a useless waster who appears undroppable.

Reid carried the midfield going forward as we had two wingers who couldn't beat snow off a rope and a midfield partner who can't pass the ball longer than 5 yards.

As for McGeady, I couldn't give a monkies what he does against Gretna or some other bucket Scottish side or once a season in the Champions League, I've seen nothing from him at international level to show me that he will make the grade. His end product more often than not isn't good enough. Shane Long was much, much more effective.

[eirebhoy]

I've seen nothing from him at international level to show me that he will make the grade..
And that's no surprise. This confidence thing isn't an excuse.

I was impressed with Shane Long too actually.

[bellavistaman]

He's 21 already, should have broken into the first team already. A loan spell at Wolves might do him good.

He's rated at 59 in FIFA 2008!

He's 19 not 21. Im not just saying it cause i know him but surely from what we seen of him he is a better option than kelly, we need a left legged left back, some1 whos comfortable on the ball, and will show loads of heart, o'halloran will give us all that. Kelly isnt good enough IMO

[carloz]

I am just going to add to what almost everyone was saying her, that Reid was an absolute pleasure to watch. I would pay very good money if i ould get to see him play like that every week, he was a joy. I am really looking forward to seeing the two Reids in central midfield in the next campaign. I thought bringing on Murphy with about 1 minute to go was puzzling. We really needed to win the game so surely sending him on with at least 1o mins to go was essential. Our defense was excellent and if Stan showed any courage only McShane will replace the banned Dunne for the Cyprus game, O'Shea does not merit a place in that team. Again a bit disapointed in Robbie Keane, i get the feeling that he is just trying to hard. It seems like he hates taking the easy option also, tha attempted lob over Lehmann was a perfect example. Id like to see a different partnership up forward against Cyprus, maybe Long and Keogh or Murphy. Something different just to test it out. Also the sooner the captains armband is taken off Keane the better. Dunne, Given, Reid, Carsley and even Finnan and Kilbane are more deserving of it

[FarBeag]

not a bad match at all, for a friendly

i mean lets be honest the germans could have had us if they cared

i was hoping to see germany win, cause a result like this just gives Stan more games and more time to "learn"
but in the end the result was even worse, as it shows that we have a half decent team that was wasted, and we should be going to euro 2008

i thought the german defence was excellent, but they had virtually no strikers, and Frings had an off day

for us.............Reid was excellent, Robbie might want to have a long hard look at himself and stop belieivng his own hype, and O Brien and keogh are good prospects for the future

Mcgeady? yeah, brill...he had a goo 10 minutes........still he will have to do a lot bloody more to convince irish fans after his last 2 rubbish games for ireland..................

I see the German supporter is back. I am sure you’re delighted to be the first team to qualify for Euro 08. Funny how you refer to Ireland as ‘us’ .Maybe you are a little mixed up or had too much gargle last night in celebration that we are out.

We could easily have won that game last night. I thought we were the better team all round. Reidy was excellent as we know he is capable of. If he stays fit he the best player we have by far, intelligent, creative, determined. I had more faith in that back line than I have throughout the campaign bar Kelly who is not at all comfortable on the left.O’ Brien filled me with lots of confidence far more than Mac Shane even though he was played out of position. Doyle was terrible, no control, no positional sense etc. Don’t know what has happened to him? There is no point commenting on tactics used by Stan especially towards the end of a must win game but for now that just life.Its a shame because if you compare our team to that of Scotland we are the better side and look where they are.

[OneRedArmy]

Its a shame because if you compare our team to that of Scotland we are the better side and look where they are.How are we the better side?!

The only possible reason I can think of is because, our players on average, play for higher placed English sides (not even sure if this is the case). That counts for sweet FA.

I'd prefer to look at how many points Scotland have had in an infinitely tougher pool. There's your answer.

[sligobhoy67]

and John o Shea is playing for a team called Manure utd.................so whats your point?:rolleyes:

did you see Mcgeady agaisnt Slovakia or Czech rep? somehow i doubt you did

I saw him against the Czechs and Slovaks - he was poor - but no worse than Keogh was last night and I havent heard a word said about that.

However what is undeniable is the McGeady was the best player on the park when he came on last night and should have been given at least half an hour as Leogh was obviously flagging and ineffective in the second half

[conlonn]

Germans not up too much, they were playing for a draw, if they really wanted to score it would have been a differnet game.
Andy Keogh had a stinker, of the 25 about times he had the ball he have the ball away about 20 times. Should have been taken off at half time but Stan (ginger gimp) left him on. Shows how much he knows about football. Every German chance game down our right side and all our good play came down our left . McGeady was bit better when he came on. Still a bit of a headless chicken though but I think he will improve and has ability.
robbie keane if he was playing for Spurs would have score that chance. My granny would have scored it. He is a clown and should be slated for not scoring that chance but he will not be. O Brein did well, Shows how bad O Shea is.
Andy Reid was awesome, first touch brilliant and he lifts the head to see what is around him. Man of the match by a mile!
From the kickouts can we try something else than every time trying to hit Kilbane with every kicout to win a header. Again good German defenders that will not work ( prob will against Cyprus on Wed night though)

We now need 6 points from next two games to leave us on 21 points and improve our seeding. Nothing less is acceptable.

[eirebhoy]

How are we the better side?!

The only possible reason I can think of is because, our players on average, play for higher placed English sides (not even sure if this is the case). That counts for sweet FA.
It's more than that. Player for player we're certainly better than Scotland.

[pete]

This thread is like one big wind-up.

Last night was mediocre at very best. The two Germans sat beside me were ashamed of their team, which puts our performance in context.

Keane is a useless waster who appears undroppable.

Reid carried the midfield going forward as we had two wingers who couldn't beat snow off a rope and a midfield partner who can't pass the ball longer than 5 yards.

As for McGeady, I couldn't give a monkies what he does against Gretna or some other bucket Scottish side or once a season in the Champions League, I've seen nothing from him at international level to show me that he will make the grade. His end product more often than not isn't good enough. Shane Long was much, much more effective.

Well said.

Laughable to hear people say McGeady should have started when he was pathetic in last 2 International games. Any full back playing behind him will get destroyed by the way he gives possession away & cannot defend or take good defensive positions something I am sure he does not have to worry about against Gretna.

Germany were happy with a draw & did not want to get injured.

Hopeless plastic atmosphere. Muppets starting mexican waves :rolleyes:

[sligobhoy67]

Well said.

Laughable to hear people say McGeady should have started when he was pathetic in last 2 International games. Any full back playing behind him will get destroyed by the way he gives possession away & cannot defend or take good defensive positions something I am sure he does not have to worry about against Gretna.

Germany were happy with a draw & did not want to get injured.

Hopeless plastic atmosphere. Muppets starting mexican waves :rolleyes:

I dont think people are saying he should have start and I think everyone recognises he wasnt up to his best against the Czechs or Slovaks - what I am saying is

1. that Keogh was ineffective

2. Keogh was whipped and gave every ball away in the second half

3. McGeady should have come on with more than 10 mintues to go - more like half an hour

4. When McGeady came on he gave us the penetration we needed, created chances and spread the ball well.

5. For the time the McGeady was on the park he was the best player on the park.

Instead of trot out shoite about Gretna why dont you deal in facts.

[pete]

I agree Keogh was useless but I think Miller would have been better option even if he is very limited player.

McGready can play against minnows like San Marino & Wales.

[OneRedArmy]

4. When McGeady came on he gave us the penetration we needed, created chances and spread the ball well.

5. For the time the McGeady was on the park he was the best player on the park.

Instead of trot out shoite about Gretna why dont you deal in facts.Possibly to 4 (lets face it, Keogh made Kilbane look effective so anyone would've looked better) and as for 5, jesus wept....

BTW those are opinions not facts.

[sligobhoy67]

are you trying to say McGeady wasnt good when he came on??????

[NeilMcD]

I did not think that Mc Geady was that good when he came on and I think that if he had of started Finnan would have been under pressure all night as McGeady offers no protection to his full back. He is a liability at this stage and he would need to add a few things to his game before he gets back in our team in my view.

[OneRedArmy]

are you trying to say McGeady wasnt good when he came on??????Compared with what?!

Compared with Keogh?

Compared with McGeady's previous appearances?

He did alright, got over a few decent balls and also a few less decent balls. But he did replace the worst player on the Ireland side.

Take off your Celtic-tinted glasses. McGeady may well develop into an international player but people like you constantly hyping him as the messiah are doing him no good at all.

[McGeady10]

Well said.

Laughable to hear people say McGeady should have started when he was pathetic in last 2 International games. Any full back playing behind him will get destroyed by the way he gives possession away & cannot defend or take good defensive positions something I am sure he does not have to worry about against Gretna.

Germany were happy with a draw & did not want to get injured.

Hopeless plastic atmosphere. Muppets starting mexican waves :rolleyes:

Strange McGeady played left midfield for Celtic last season against the eventual European Champions twice as Celtic kept two clean sheets and his fullback wasn't destroyed... Also played against the European Champions last week and won and his fullback wasn't destroyed... hmmmm....

[mrtndvn]

I think stan and the boys did well, robbie really should of scored.

We'll qualify for the next world cup under stan, I'm sure of it.

Also the boys who booed stan at half time, you should be ashamed .

[OneRedArmy]

Strange McGeady played left midfield for Celtic last season against the eventual European Champions twice as Celtic kept two clean sheets and his fullback wasn't destroyed... Also played against the European Champions last week and won and his fullback wasn't destroyed... hmmmm....Great.

When is he going to translate that to international level?

[Newryrep]

Hopeless plastic atmosphere. Muppets starting mexican waves :rolleyes:

Atmosphere was poor, doesnst help when our entire singing reportoire is 'Ireland' and 'Stand up for the boys in green' Thought the Germans fans were quiet given the amount of them. 3 times at Croke Park in the same seat and each time different people around ? Would imagine those at Cyprus on wed would be more interested in supporting the team as opposed to being entertained. Mexican waves - doubt there will be any on Wed thank God. They have no place at any game

Didnt think the team played to bad, Keane miss was particularily disappointing as was a Carsley? shot very late on that was closer to the corner flag but cant remember any sustained pressure.

6 points badly needed in the next 2 games. Staunton /Delaney are going no where we may as well make the best of it.

[sligobhoy67]

Great.

When is he going to translate that to international level?

last night! :D

[stojkovic]

Well said.

Laughable to hear people say McGeady should have started when he was pathetic in last 2 International games. Any full back playing behind him will get destroyed by the way he gives possession away & cannot defend or take good defensive positions something I am sure he does not have to worry about against Gretna.

Germany were happy with a draw & did not want to get injured.

Hopeless plastic atmosphere. Muppets starting mexican waves :rolleyes:

Well said.

Some event-junkie behind me cheered when the wave started and nearly orgasmed when it came around.

Nothing game, tells nothing that we didnt already know. Given and back four done their job. Midfield ok apart from Keogh. Doyle suited the Germans, we needed a nippy striker to cause them problems but Captain Keane just directed airplanes all night waving his arms about as usual. Shame.

McGeady, I cant believe the sh1te. Plays well against Falkirk apparently.

If the Germans needed to win 3-0 last night, they would have. And without Ballack, Klose and Schweinstieger.


This campaign we have played true to form. We are FOURTH seeds in a weak group. Face the facts. 13000 watched Romania beat the Dutch last night. No wonder everyone in Europe thinks we're fcuking mad.

[sligobhoy67]

Compared with what?!

Compared with Keogh?

Compared with McGeady's previous appearances?

He did alright, got over a few decent balls and also a few less decent balls. But he did replace the worst player on the Ireland side.

Take off your Celtic-tinted glasses. McGeady may well develop into an international player but people like you constantly hyping him as the messiah are doing him no good at all.

Compared with Leogh, compared with his last two games and compared with the rest of the team - I know it must hurt you to acknowledge that he played well when he came on

Who is hyping him - I said he was shoite against the Czechs and Slovaks - I have been very fair in my assessment actually - when are you going to take off you EPL tinted glasses?

[OneRedArmy]

Compared with Leogh, compared with his last two games and compared with the rest of the team - I know it must hurt you to acknowledge that he played well when he came on

Who is hyping him - I said he was shoite against the Czechs and Slovaks - I have been very fair in my assessment actually - when are you going to take off you EPL tinted glasses?No it doesn't hurt me to acknowledge anything as I have no vested interest in the players in the squad.

I call it the way I see it.

McGeady has been very poor in an Ireland jersey (granted he's far from the only one) and he ain't the only one who fails to reproduce club form at international level.

As for hyping him, you said he was the best player on the pitch!!!

[geysir]

I was dissapointed we didn't win, we should have really. Some typical trollish comments in this thread.
Keogh and O'Brien did well. My minimum expectation for a new cap in a Qual game is that they are not a liability on the pitch. Keogh showed guts/committment and gave his all. The Germans were quick to double up on him more than a few times. He showed real promise here and I hope he gets more experience.
Joey O'Brien, a full hearted player in the middle of the defence.
Kelly too had a solid game, offered just as much as Finnan on the other side.
Doyle's mind was lost in the first half or else it was a disgracefull attitude. He improved the 2nd half, obviously told to get stuck in and play more with Keogh.

I would go with Long and Keane up front in the next game, they appear to work better as a pair.
The ref was good, another one would have sent off Dunne with a 2nd yellow for his stupid dissent.
Carsley and Kilbane did well.
There are no brownie points for Stan for doing the obvious things right but deserves credit for Keogh and O'Brien.
ATM I would take Joey O'Brien over O'Shea 10 times out of 10

[sligobhoy67]

No it doesn't hurt me to acknowledge anything as I have no vested interest in the players in the squad.

I call it the way I see it.

McGeady has been very poor in an Ireland jersey (granted he's far from the only one) and he ain't the only one who fails to reproduce club form at international level.

As for hyping him, you said he was the best player on the pitch!!!

I wouldnt call that hyping merely making an observation! Name the other players that played better than McGeady for the period he was on the park.

Long looked ok to for the last few minutes apart from that I cant think of one!

[German_Tim]

Strange McGeady played left midfield for Celtic last season against the eventual European Champions twice as Celtic kept two clean sheets and his fullback wasn't destroyed... Also played against the European Champions last week and won and his fullback wasn't destroyed... hmmmm....

Well said, mate! I just can't undertand why Staunton didn't bring him earlier...

Congrats on a decent performance! You played a lot better than the Czechs did in their home match against Germany and gave us a hell of a fight! Kudos for this! I always knew that you aren't as bad as you seem to have been lately ... so it's a pity we won't see you in Austria/Switzerland next summer! I think your great fans would have deserved it.

Good atmosphere at Croke Park, your support is a lot better than the English (in contrast to Wembley, when we had a "home game", I couldn't hear much of the 6,000 German fans)! The stadium impressed me very much as well, did anybody around here attend the game and take a few nice pics of the game and "fan festival" before the match?

Good luck for your WC 2010 quali games and many thanks for your hospitality!

[Hibs4Ever]

I wouldnt call that hyping merely making an observation! Name the other players that played better than McGeady for the period he was on the park.

Long looked ok to for the last few minutes apart from that I cant think of one!



Christ man get a grip!! He came on for last 10 minutes when all the other players had just played 80 minutes of the match! Of course he's gonna be more active than them when he comes on!!

[OneRedArmy]

Name the other players that played better than McGeady for the period he was on the park.


Long
There you go.

[German_Tim]

Atmosphere was poor


Don't think so. In comparison to the atmosphere in a sold out Wembley (the German fans totally drowned the hosts supporters out), it was really superb! ;)




Thought the Germans fans were quiet given the amount of them.


That was my impression as well. At how many would you estimate them? The German media reports on about 6,000...

Maybe they were so quiet because

1) your support was so good
or
2) you are no "rivals" to us
or
3) the German team's performance was more than mediocre
or
4) they all got drunk at the "fan festival" before the game :D




If the Germans needed to win 3-0 last night, they would have. And without Ballack, Klose and Schweinstieger.


I wouldn't be so sure about this (although it was obvious that we played for a draw)...

[eirebhoy]

McGready can play against minnows like San Marino & Wales.
No he can't. It doesn't matter who the opposition is when the confidence gone.

[sligobhoy67]

There you go.

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!

[soccerc]

4) they all got drunk at the "fan festival" before the game :D

Not so sure about drunk but they did enjoy themselves.

[mypost]

Atmosphere was poor, doesnst help when our entire singing reportoire is 'Ireland' and 'Stand up for the boys in green' Thought the Germans fans were quiet given the amount of them. 3 times at Croke Park in the same seat and each time different people around ? Would imagine those at Cyprus on wed would be more interested in supporting the team as opposed to being entertained. Mexican waves - doubt there will be any on Wed thank God. They have no place at any game

Well, given there was a Mexican wave at Lansdowne against SM, it's probable that we'll see another one or two, or several on Wednesday night. The only thing that's at stake is a revenge mission, and a morale boost.

As for needing to improve the seeding, load of rubbish. Unless you can make the top 2 seeds, there's no difference between 3rd, 4th, and 5th seeds, as this group has shown. When the draw is made in November, we'll still have a tough group regardless.

[eirebhoy]

As for needing to improve the seeding, load of rubbish. Unless you can make the top 2 seeds
We're the 21st highest European team in the FIFA rankings. To make the 2nd Pot we'd need to be in the top 18. Not impossible.

[bennocelt]

I see the German supporter is back. I am sure you’re delighted to be the first team to qualify for Euro 08. Funny how you refer to Ireland as ‘us’ .Maybe you are a little mixed up or had too much gargle last night in celebration that we are out.

.

but we are not out yet, surely the czechs wont get any more points:eek:

[Noelys Guitar]

I was dissapointed we didn't win, we should have really. Some typical trollish comments in this thread.
Keogh and O'Brien did well. My minimum expectation for a new cap in a Qual game is that they are not a liability on the pitch. Keogh showed guts/committment and gave his all. The Germans were quick to double up on him more than a few times. He showed real promise here and I hope he gets more experience.
Joey O'Brien, a full hearted player in the middle of the defence.
Kelly too had a solid game, offered just as much as Finnan on the other side.
Doyle's mind was lost in the first half or else it was a disgracefull attitude. He improved the 2nd half, obviously told to get stuck in and play more with Keogh.

I would go with Long and Keane up front in the next game, they appear to work better as a pair.
The ref was good, another one would have sent off Dunne with a 2nd yellow for his stupid dissent.
Carsley and Kilbane did well.
There are no brownie points for Stan for doing the obvious things right but deserves credit for Keogh and O'Brien.
ATM I would take Joey O'Brien over O'Shea 10 times out of 10

Go along with most of your comments here. You have to believe your eyes sometimes and I agree about O'Brien and Keogh playing well. Doyle looks short of confidence. Lehman was excellent yesterday apart from his one hike outside the area and for me saved the Germans 2 points. Keane should have buried the second chance mind. The long and short corners worked well yesterday. That was good to see. And anyone involved in the "Mexican wave" should be banned for life. We were on top at that stage and this idiocy IMO changes the rhythm of the game.

[carloz]

What the hell is all the talk about McGeady. He looked decent when he came on, thats about it. Hunt in the past has made much more of an impact when he came on. Long was much more influencial when he came on. Yes I think Stan probably should have brought McGeady on a little earlier but i think some people are getting taken away with his performance. Im getting tired of the mentality that because he plays decent for the good old Irish club that is Celtic he deserves to play for Ireland. Simply put Keogh had a decent game, and it says a lot that every time he got the ball the Germans doubled up on him. Andy O'Brien and Clinton Morrison have really paid the price for poor performances in Cyprus, McGeady was worse than both of those in Czech Rep and Slovakia. He had his chance(twice) and he completly blew it. IMO he really has to prove himself before getting in to the starting 11 again. A decent ten minutes against Germany wont do this. It hurt looking at last nights match because hand on heart i still think we are a stronger side than the Czechs. Yes the Germans only needed a draw last night but we outplayed them at times. When the Czechs were playing Germany at home they(the Czechs) were thought a lesson. I firmly believe that the Czechs will be doing well to get one point on the European Championships. If we get a group like this for the World Cup i for one will be delighted

[FarBeag]

Good luck for your WC 2010 quali games and many thanks for your hospitality![/QUOTE]

German Tim. Well done last night despite not playing to your full potential. Hopefully you will do well in Austria/Swiss and maybe go on to win it. You had a few Irish guys supporting you last night you know. Yes!! Believe it or not. How sad and pathetic is this? Bet you guys would never support the opposition no matter how your team was playing?

[zenokelly]

I thought it was Stan's best team selection in a competitive match (at least) to date.

The 2 strikers were very poor especially that waste of space, that is our captain.

Is it just me or is he just a cocky **** when he plays for us??

It sums up the atmosphere and the crowd when they refuse to support their team(thru' singin etc.) but get overcome with the excitement that is............................................


THE MEXICAN WAVE:mad:

[eirebhoy]

Clips of Reid's play last night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HNPot7Svx4

[DubJohn]

Keane has not performed for Ireland in this campaign.

He is supposed to be our star striker and captain.

Since scoring an og in Stuttgart he missed a glorious opportunity to claim three points at home to the czechs thru his showboating and missed another great chance last night, again from showing off.

The team appear rudderless and lack a sense of purpose.

I reckon he needs to be dropped and the captaincy moved, if the manager had the guts. Try Long and Doyle together, or Keogh and Doyle.

I believe Keane would find his form again with healthy competition.

[geysir]

Clips of Reid's play last night

I see none are bothered about Andy Reid's weight today?

[stojkovic]

I see none are bothered about Andy Reid's weight today?

In fairness he's lost alot of weight since his Maradona (aged 40) impression last year. Last night it was Maradona (aged 25), well nearly.

[eirebhoy]

Keane has not performed for Ireland in this campaign.

He is supposed to be our star striker and captain.

Since scoring an og in Stuttgart he missed a glorious opportunity to claim three points at home to the czechs thru his showboating and missed another great chance last night, again from showing off.

The team appear rudderless and lack a sense of purpose.

I reckon he needs to be dropped and the captaincy moved, if the manager had the guts. Try Long and Doyle together, or Keogh and Doyle.

I believe Keane would find his form again with healthy competition.
Not at all. Keane works as hard as any player we have.

[NeilMcD]

Clips of Reid's play last night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HNPot7Svx4



Fair p lay Eirebhoy, pity about the music though.

[eirebhoy]

pity about the music though.
:D It's the one thing I always have problems with.

[NeilMcD]

I think for Andy Reid it should be a Luke Kelly song or something like that

[Scram]

Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Clips of Reid's play last night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HNPot7Svx4

The classiest player we have. Lucky Staunton found a pitch that suited him :rolleyes: ****in Muppet.

I have no doubt that with Reid and Hunt starting v Slovakia and Czech Republic, we would have had 6 points from those two games. (and possibly O'Shea and Kelly on opposite wings etc.)

[Qwerty]

Stan is really getting on my nerves, he says the 'team did the country proud', what does that mean? Not beating an under-strength German team who never had to move out of first gear to get the point they needed secure qualification is doing us proud?

He says we didn't get the 'rub of the green' - it seems like luck is Stan's strategy? Anyhow we had a very deep rub of gren in our last meeting with Germany to only lose 1-0. Getting away with Joey O'Brien as a makeshift CB is a fair amount of luck.

I don't really see progress, all I see is quixotic selection and a fly by the seat of your pants attitude. Whatever this team has achieved and it's not much, it has been done in spite of Stan not because of Stan.