What professional managers would you rate lower than Stan? [Archive]

carloz

06/10/2007, 11:12 AM

I think there are similarities between him and Sammy Lee in terms of in frontof the camera. They are both awful and talk complete ****. Personally i rate nobody lower than him. How many other managers would say someone like Joey O'Brien has played in central defense in the past when he has never in his career played there

gustavo

06/10/2007, 11:14 AM

Shoddy , but then again he was successful with Bohs

ramblersnb1

06/10/2007, 11:27 AM

Avram Grant springs to mind.

billybunter

06/10/2007, 12:11 PM

let me see, that chap at Enron springs to mind.........

Scram

06/10/2007, 2:07 PM

I... don't know if I can think of any. >_>

At least not in any top leagues or international sides.

Tommy Lyons ex manager of Dublin...oh no, he was amateur....sorry, you got me there.

Noelys Guitar

06/10/2007, 2:29 PM

Khare B. Basnet the current manager of Bhutan (ranked 197). But he is coherent. So the answer is no.

the dude

06/10/2007, 3:19 PM

wot about jonny Giles. do ye think he did well with ireland

greendeiseboy

06/10/2007, 4:28 PM

Peter Reid and to think he was once in the running......say no more

liaml

06/10/2007, 5:44 PM

Wrecker Souness, of course

pineapple stu

06/10/2007, 5:47 PM

Bryan Robson.

Hear that, Delaney?!

shakermaker1982

06/10/2007, 6:38 PM

Bryan Robson.

Hear that, Delaney?!

beat me to it. David Platt being another.

Scram

06/10/2007, 8:17 PM

None of the managers mentioned are worse than Stan.

Not one could possibly make the selection and positioning mistakes Stan has made. They are beyond belief.

C'mon, you are kidding yourselves if you say otherwise.

Paddy Garcia

07/10/2007, 11:49 AM

Nick Gleeson who brought down Bearings. Ach no, I hear he is doing a decent job for Galway.

Delbertt

07/10/2007, 12:25 PM

John Barnes?

Lionel Ritchie

07/10/2007, 12:47 PM

Peter Reid and to think he was once in the running......say no more

I'd have Peter Reid managing us over Stan in a second ...and I'm a Leeds supporter.

For established track record in taking teams down divisions and rankings Bryan Hamilton, likeable chap as he is, takes some beating.

He seemingly thought he was in the running for the Irish job when Kerr got the gig despite the FAI hiring him as a finder.

Though to his credit his NI team whipped, home and away, the same p1ss-poor Austria side who beat us 3-1 home and away in the Euro 96 qualifiers. A campaign where Charlton and Setters (and the squad for that matter) were guilty of gross dereliction of duty.

As well as his punditry work I believe Hamilton has some consultancy or advisory post to one of the smaller associations in the Carribean. Nice work if you can get it.

Noelys Guitar

07/10/2007, 2:19 PM

Stan would still shade Sylvia De Gres the Belgian manager of a less than successful womens team
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2005/08/22/odd/belgianwomensoccerteamloses50-1-paper.html

gspain

07/10/2007, 5:41 PM

not many maybe the Georgia rugby manager for thinking his 2nd team would be good enough to beat Ireland.

Watch for another Stan moment next week if John O'Shea doesn't made the Jgame. He will have to call up a centre half. If he is consistent he will play Joey O'Brien and use Andy O'Brien as backup. Except he never had any intention of using Joey O'Brien. He was just too stupid to realise he might need cover for the only 2 centre halves that can play against the Germans.

greendeiseboy

07/10/2007, 8:30 PM

I'd have Peter Reid managing us over Stan in a second ...and I'm a Leeds supporter.

so am I.......... that's why i think he's crap........ but yeah not crapper than stan

Closed Account 2

07/10/2007, 11:34 PM

DAve Watson, the ex- Everton player, was pretty shocking at Tranmere about 5-4 years ago

citizenerased

08/10/2007, 9:47 AM

id rate daiv brent higher, at least he has management experience

OwlsFan

09/10/2007, 9:09 AM

Bobby Charlton.

an_ceannaire

10/10/2007, 1:24 PM

Jack Charlton
The greatest midfiled we ever had and he bypassed it for the sake of Cascarino Quinn!! Players like Sheedy, Townsend, Whelan, Houghton, Galvin McGrath just watching Chris Morris pump high balls over their heads all day. Painful. And the greatest centre half the world has ever seen outside Italy, and he plays him out of position for 5 years....!
Imagine what Bob Paisley would have done with that selection of players! We could have been a contender

citizenerased

10/10/2007, 1:54 PM

ooh controversial, although i agree charlton was a vastly over-rated manager..!! wait for the backlash from th charltonites

an_ceannaire

10/10/2007, 2:04 PM

ever notice how the charltonites tend also to have been McCarthy-ites in Saipan :)
We had a potential world class team back then and he ruined its potential with his Wimbledon tactics.

OwlsFan

10/10/2007, 3:24 PM

ooh controversial, although i agree charlton was a vastly over-rated manager..!! wait for the backlash from th charltonites

COuldn't be bothered. Jack was a success as a manager wherever he went, including Sheffield Wednesday. Far more talented Irish teams failed where his succeeded but as I say, why waste my breath? "We're all part of Jackie's army, we're all of to It-al-ly, and etc etc ".

Sammy Lee I'll give another couple of weeks at Bolton. You can almost see the sword of doom hanging over his head.

David Pleat was also greatly overrated because he talked a good game.

Noelys Guitar

10/10/2007, 4:02 PM

Yes. Charlton did'nt know what he was doing. Results mean nothing. Qualifying for tournaments and getting to QF's is for spoofers.

Stuttgart88

10/10/2007, 8:09 PM

Even Dunphy, Jack's biggest public critic, conceded that Ireland's style of play under Charlton was far more sophisticated than Wimbledon's. Anyone who thought it was just a long ball game had no idea. All of the midfilders mentioned by An_Ceannaire played a significant role in the success of that team.

Funnily enough I have a certain regard for the only two managers to have got us to a World Cup Finals. Neither was without his faults but the world isn't black and white.

SkStu

11/10/2007, 6:21 AM

ffs people slagging off Charlton, the only manager in our history to qualify us for more major finals than he failed to qualify us for. 3-2. A legend. A plonker, but a legend.

an_ceannaire

11/10/2007, 8:36 AM

lads i am not anti-jack
i would shake his hand and bow before him in a second
BUT I do think he was HUGELY over rated and if you had given a manager who liked to play it on the deck players like this
Bonner, Morris, Moran, McGrath, Stan, Brady, Whelan, Houghton, Sheedy, Aldridge, Stapleton, Townsend, Sheridan, Irwin, Keane, O'Leary, Kelly, Quinn etc and asked them to put it on the deck, let the MF do the work and feed the strikers....we would have done a whole lot more. Think about it!
Look at those players!!!!

Lionel Ritchie

11/10/2007, 9:22 AM

We played far more football on the deck under Jack than credit is given for. What we didn't do then that we do now is play square balls on the edge of our 18, concede more than we score due to lack of any kind of a plan and render ourselves out of contention with three games to go.

Jack was no revolutionary but that he's even being mentioned in this thread, even taking all his Irish achievments off his CV, is plain laughable.

an_ceannaire

11/10/2007, 10:05 AM

Now you look here Stevie wonder..........I aint laughin:cool:!!

youngirish

11/10/2007, 10:17 AM

The manager of my local Burger King restaurant who's a young Chinese lad is probably not as good as Stan. The place has gone to the sh*ts since he took it over.

lionelhutz

11/10/2007, 10:31 AM

John Toshack - they both have just about the same amount of charisma and knowledge of the game

an_ceannaire

11/10/2007, 10:34 AM

i would take tosh over stan in a heat beat! Real Madrid & La Liga title....Walsall reserves....hhmmmmmm

Dr. Ogba

11/10/2007, 10:42 AM

We had a potential world class team back then and he ruined its potential with his Wimbledon tactics.

eh................................................ ......

Noelys Guitar

11/10/2007, 12:36 PM

Under Charlton we played like the very good Everton team of the mid to late 80's and not like Wimbledon. The opinion of one Liam Brady. The revisionists like to forget about 1984/85 and the players we had then. Why did'nt they qualify? Brady, Lawernson, Stapleton, O'Leary, Robinson, Whelan, Cascarino, Moran etc. For Charlton to bring an Ireland team to Germany 88 was nothing short of incredible. A team with many of the players that would start under Charlton had been hammered 4-1 at home by Denmark 2 years previously in Hands last game . I was one of the few at the match and still remember the despair. Charlton won the world cup as a player. And got us to the quarter finals of the world cup. Both facts. No matter what Dunphy or some of the ex-pro's say.

Lionel Ritchie

11/10/2007, 1:01 PM

Now you look here Stevie wonder..........I aint laughin:cool:!!

I can't see much lately. Can't see us retaining possession like we did under Jack, Mick and (to a lesser extent) Brian. I sure as sh1t can't see us creating enough either. Even if I was completely blind though I'd be able to see lesser opposition go through us like a punnet of peaches.

Morbo

11/10/2007, 3:52 PM

Anyone who thinks Jack was worse than Stan is a muppet of the highest order, sure we didn't play pretty footbally but 4 out of the 5 of the major competitions we qualified for were under Jack, played England 5 times and never lost, true we had better players back then but we had great players before Jacks time too and failed to qualify

onenilgameover

11/10/2007, 6:27 PM

Gazza but only just....

pineapple stu

11/10/2007, 7:26 PM

SUB of the day

12/10/2007, 9:06 AM

Must say, with Euro 88 and Italia 90 a distant memory for me (first game of football I ever watched was Stuttgart in 88), I watched the repeat of Ireland v USSR from Euro 88 when it was on Setanta around the New Year and was surprised at how well we played. In fact, we completely played them off the park for most of the match, but some horrendous refereeing and one defensive blip cost us the win. Far from 90 minutes of hoofball though.
I think that performance v Soviets is generally accepted as our finest footballing performace of the modern era( probably ever).I was at the game, behind the goal where we were denied the most stonewall penalty, while leading 1-0.As it happened even a victory then would not have been enough, as Kiefts late strike for Holland sent them through to play West Germany in the semi' and ultimate victory at Euro '88.

OwlsFan

15/10/2007, 6:59 AM

John Toshack. His team got stuffed in Cyprus as well ;)

NeilMcD

15/10/2007, 1:30 PM

John Toshack is a good manager but I dont think he is the right guy for the Wales job.

OwlsFan

15/10/2007, 1:49 PM

John Toshack is a good manager but I dont think he is the right guy for the Wales job.

But if Stan was crucified because of his Cyprus result, should not also Toshack be similarly pilloried?

NeilMcD

15/10/2007, 1:50 PM

OwlsFan

15/10/2007, 1:56 PM

Yeah but the differene is that Toshack has 20 years of experience and has shown that he has and can be a good manager who knows the game. Clearly he is not getting his point across to the Welsh players. Also Ireland have a much better squad than the Welsh do.

What are you saying? Despite having 5 or 6 Premiership players, it's not the manager's fault that they were well beaten by Cyprus (13 shots to 4) and it's ok because he's not getting his message across? What's good enough for Stan must be good enough for Toshack. Toshack out! ;)

NeilMcD

15/10/2007, 2:04 PM

What I am saying is that Wales are a poor team and I did not expect them to beat Cyprus in Cyprus were we lost and the Germans drew and the Czechs still have to play there. Wales are a good bit worse than us and the Cypiots have Champions League players so I would say them and Wales are pretty much the same level.

Toshack has shown for the last 20 years he can manage teams so I am not goign to judge his managerial abilities on one job after 20 years of managment. He probably does not have the right personality for the Welsh job at the moment and I think he would probably be better with quality players but I think he is trying to get average players to do things that only really good players can do.

Toshack should take the blame for losing 3-1 defeat along with the players but he is still a good manager. Just like Paul Jewel is a good manager despite not doing a good job at Wednesday.

Cymro

15/10/2007, 2:15 PM

No, we were still awful in Cyprus, however you dress it up. Our individuals aren't that poor, most play in the top 2 divisions in England which is a decent standard. Toshack may not deserve the flack for the players' deficiencies but he does deserve the flack for getting rid of good players like Danny Collins, Oster, David Cotterill etc. I'm not talking about Savage incidentally he can rot in hell but the others have all been treated harshly by Toshack.

I was previously behind him but the performances aren't really getting better and we don't look like even challenging in the 2010 qualifiers which was our main goal. If we don't beat San Marino and then you guys I think he should leave.

He is obviously a good coach but not a good man-manager. You can't teach players who play high-tempo route one 11 months of the year to be technical geniuses when they pull on a different colour shirt. And maybe he should have thought of that before p1ssing off Premiership regulars like Oster and D Collins, who haven't really done that much to deserve it.

It wasn't so much the result in Cyprus I'm annoyed about since they are difficult to beat at home, but surely we could have competed a bit better. Cyprus would never have got back into the game if we'd got more physical with them. That was a tactical blunder by Toshack, in my opinion. And the problem is we never want to play a physical, high-tempo style even against opponents who are better than us techinically.