What professional managers would you rate lower than Stan?

[Cymro]

Actually Hughes didn't achieve that much either for the most part (2 mediocre campaigns and one good one, achieved mostly on the back of some lucky results) and had a far better pool of talent to pick from. I think the side that won 4 games in a row at the start of the Euro 2004 campaign was entirely made up of Premiership regulars with a squad of Championship regulars/Premiership semi-regulars. We'd kill for a squad that good right now, which is why Toshack's abysmal man-management and arrogance is starting to test the patience of some Welsh fans. We need every Premiership regular we can get (apart from Savage, maybe)

[Lionel Ritchie]

What are you saying? Despite having 5 or 6 Premiership players, it's not the manager's fault that they were well beaten by Cyprus (13 shots to 4) and it's ok because he's not getting his message across? What's good enough for Stan must be good enough for Toshack. Toshack out! ;)

You have a point BUT the difference in the two is Toshack has earned the right to f*** up. Toshack also felt the need to consider his position in the wake of their poor result there. Stan portrayed his "being in here for the long haul" as a virtue.

The only comparitive result Stan really has in his favour is the far from satisfactory 1-0 defeat of Slovakia compared to Wales home collapse against them. Wales did however put that some way right by going to Slovakia and thumping them while we ...well we know what we did there and no-one was surprised when we did it.