Denmark vs Ireland - Match Thread

[theworm2345]

:rolleyes:

(For the first time in my life I've felt the need to use that terrible smiley without words)
I have them all available, would you like to see them? You or I could've probably kept out/dealt with the first 2.
1.) Right through the keepers hands
2,) Parried right onto his foot wide open on a shot that could've easily been caught or punched over
3.) Beat one defender who looked like he could've cared less when the match was already 3-0. I could've defended better.
Do you need the videos to remind you?

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot, he used to play hurling, I'm not allowed to say anything bad about him

[co. down green]

I have them all available, would you like to see them? You or I could've probably kept out/dealt with the first 2.
1.) Right through the keepers hands
2,) Parried right onto his foot wide open on a shot that could've easily been caught or punched over
3.) Beat one defender who looked like he could've cared less when the match was already 3-0. I could've defended better.
Do you need the videos to remind you?

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot, he used to play hurling, I'm not allowed to say anything bad about him

Long looked hungry & eager last night, ran every ball and tracked back when required, he was well worthy of his two goals. He's a twenty year old forward playing premiership football. I think he's a great prospect and cemented his position as our third striker.

[theworm2345]

Long looked hungry & eager last night, ran every ball and tracked back when required, he was well worthy of his two goals. He's a twenty year old forward playing premiership football. I think he's a great prospect and cemented his position as our third striker.
Thats fine, I never said he was bad, and I do believe he has potential, I don't think that he's quite there yet though. He may have warranted a goal with his competitiveness but he got them through a good bit of luck instead of by doing well which isn't what I like to see. He wasn't that great against Everton last week and last night everyone looked like a superstar compared to the Danes (I can't remember that much from before that). I'd rather see Murphy or Elliott than him to be honest. However, again, I do agree that his future is bright

[Lionel Ritchie]

what if he gets a 1-0 win there?
Did you give him credit for 1-0 v Wales and Slovakia when everyone said we'd be thumped in those games?

Will anyone ever give him credit for anything??
I'll be delighted if he gets a 1-0 in either of those games and I'll praise him to high heaven. We looked quite brittle in both the Wales and Slovakia games and marginally better sides would've beaten us ...especially in the Welsh game.
I'll give him credit after the fact if he steers this team through the next two games gaining 3+ points ...but I still strongly believe anything this team achieves in the group will be despite him -not because of him.




What about credit for the following?

-He's brought a lot of good youngsters in

...as pointed out by theworm this is something of a myth. Ireland would have been in earlier but had a petulant strop with BK because Kerr didn't pick him for an underage game in his home town that his mam and dad were coming to ...model pro ha? Elsewhere I could opine that Stan has used "bringing youngters through" as a fig-leaf for his own ineptness. He's also discarded players with real, legitimate claims to a place in the squad in favour of "youngsters" who's claims are less tangible.




-He hasnt reacted to the abuse negatively like Mclaren did
He went into hiding after the San Marino farce. He, in colusion with others I don't doubt, paraded a 70-something Cancer sufferer to take the flak for him. Despicable behaviour.



-He has kept going through the abuse and got some good results.
What else was he going to do? Walk away from a job where he gets twice what his Czech counterpart is on and THREE TIMES what Lawrie Sanchez was on? One of the few clever things he's done.



-The team spirit is clearly excellent after all the abuse
...classic footballer wagon circling syndrome. It has it's uses but frankly I'd prefer if they were a miserable shower of grumpy-lumps who could efficiently despatch lesser opponents.



-good result the other night
Yes ...yes it was.

[Paddy Garcia]

what if he gets a 1-0 win there?
Did you give him credit for 1-0 v Wales and Slovakia when everyone said we'd be thumped in those games?

Will anyone ever give him credit for anything??


Credit for two below average performances we were in the end fortunate to win! Lets judge him on the results & performances that matter. And we, the media etc can take a fair share of that credit by forcing his hand over Carsley.



-He's brought a lot of good youngsters in


Alan O'Brien !! - He should have tried Garvin over the last 3 friendlys and probably Best too. He only called Gibson up cos of Worthington.

I've little confidence in Henderson, if we need to rely on him, I hope kenny is not performing his usual heroics back at home.

[Nailer77]

We played like **** against Wales and luckily got a result, we certainly did not play great against Slovakia and got a result. We played OK last night but Denmark were just god awful. Against decent opposition maybe Robbie's first could've happened (though I think it could've been saved). As for the youngsters, Doyle was first called up by Kerr, Ireland has been good but he would have been in before if he and Kerr hadn't argued, and Hunt is the only other guy to make his debut under Staunton who I can really remember has made an impact (Long has 3 very fortunate goals, I haven't been overly impressed by him). Stokes, Alan O'Brien, Kelly, etc. have still failed to do anything domestically or internationally (I guess Kelly has done decently but has never been great for Ireland). Don't be blinded by the light, he has done well not responding badly to the criticism but otherwise I will wait until November to judge.


Agree with most of that except the bit about Long who took both his goals well and linked up well throughout the 2nd half. Again this came unfortunately reminds me a bit of the Sweden one last year, were fair enough we beat a relatively decent side 4-0. But the other night a better side would have managed a couple against us and had we gone behind well we just don't know. This team is a bit of a rollercoster, and I won't be anything like convinced by Stan until we see some progress were it counts, and not in an early season friendly.

[wallis]

Im not suggesting for one minute that Staunton is the next Cappello. But it does make me laugh that posters on here who were screaming for his resignation after the loss to Holland are now saying that a 4-0 win away from home changes nothing.

As I said before , you cant have it both ways. You cant get stuck into players and managers after a friendly loss and then just brush the next win aside as being meaningless.

I'd be willing to bet that had it been us beaten 4-0 at home and the opposition played identically to how we did, posters would not only be calling for Stauntons head , but would also praise the other side for "taking their chances" and showing some quality on the break.

[paul_oshea]

ya wallis that is probably true, but those same teams would have been on a roll or won games expected of them in the past, and used that game to go on and play better in a competitive match, and also learned a great deal from the game. Time will only tell if the latter is the case here, but until then we will still remain cautious ( ive tried to spell that 3 times and it still doesnt look right ) as we have seen this team act like a rollercoaster the last year or so.

[tetsujin1979]

...as pointed out by theworm this is something of a myth. Ireland would have been in earlier but had a petulant strop with BK because Kerr didn't pick him for an underage game in his home town that his mam and dad were coming to ...model pro ha?
I don't think Ireland would have been in the team much earlier than he was. Ireland only broke through to the Man City side during Brian Kerr's end of days. The very earliest game he would have been considered for is the Cyprus 1-0 win and Swiss 1-1 double header, after some very encouraging performances for City including a MOTM award. I pointed out at the time that the media jumped on the history between Kerr and Ireland to fill column space because the players weren't speaking to them at the time, and there was no "Robbie Keane drunk on his birthday 5 days before a game" style stories to make up the difference.


He only called Gibson up cos of Worthington.
He called Gibson into the squad for San Marino, and he played for the B team against Scotland last November, almost 9 months before Worthington was appointed

[wallis]

Time will only tell if the latter is the case here, but until then we will still remain cautious ( ive tried to spell that 3 times and it still doesnt look right ) as we have seen this team act like a rollercoaster the last year or so.

Very true Paul.

I have to say that on the back of this result I feel a lot more positive going into the last few games, but as you say , time will tell..

[eirebhoy]

I have them all available, would you like to see them? You or I could've probably kept out/dealt with the first 2.
1.) Right through the keepers hands
2,) Parried right onto his foot wide open on a shot that could've easily been caught or punched over
3.) Beat one defender who looked like he could've cared less when the match was already 3-0. I could've defended better.
Do you need the videos to remind you?

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot, he used to play hurling, I'm not allowed to say anything bad about him
I couldn't care about Long's background. The fact of the matter is he has scored 3 goals for Ireland. To be perfectly honest I can't even remember his first Ireland goal but his 2 on Wednesday night were certainly not "fortunate". Why would you want to say his goals were lucky? I don't get it. You sound like Celtic fans going on about Kris Boyd. Every goal he scores is apparently lucky. But that's Celtic and Rangers. This is one of our own players scoring goals. Stop being biased towards certain players and support them all.

First goal - He was in the right place at the right time and that's what you want from a striker.
Second goal - Class play in my opinion. He made a simple pass from McGeady look superb.

[theworm2345]

First goal - He was in the right place at the right time and that's what you want from a striker.
Second goal - Class play in my opinion. He made a simple pass from McGeady look superb.
I play striker, if I had been given either of those chances I would consider myself very fortunate, usually the goal doesn't just present itself

[DmanDmythDledge]

I play striker, if I had been given either of those chances I would consider myself very fortunate, usually the goal doesn't just present itself
They didn't. As you said to eirebhoy look at the goals again.

First goal- he reacted quickest. Anticipation is a key attribute of being a striker. Compare where he was when the keeper parried it and then where he was when he finished- about 10 yards of a gap.

Second goal- he used his strength to turn the defender and stayed composed and finished. He has the attributes to become a great striker.

[theworm2345]

They didn't. As you said to eirebhoy look at the goals again.

First goal- he reacted quickest. Anticipation is a key attribute of being a striker. Compare where he was when the keeper parried it and then where he was when he finished- about 10 yards of a gap.

Second goal- he used his strength to turn the defender and stayed composed and finished. He has the attributes to become a great striker.
Again, I agree he could be a great striker, also again, if I found myself in either of those positions I would consider myself fortunate more than that we deserved it. Sometimes the balls fall for you, sometimes they don't

[DmanDmythDledge]

if I found myself in either of those positions I would consider myself fortunate more than that we deserved it. Sometimes the balls fall for you, sometimes they don't
Then tell Stan you've an Irish granny and get on the plane to Slovakia...

If you think Long's goals were down to luck you have a limited knowledge about football.

[tetsujin1979]

Again, I agree he could be a great striker, also again, if I found myself in either of those positions I would consider myself fortunate more than that we deserved it. Sometimes the balls fall for you, sometimes they don't
Sometimes you have to make use of the balls played to you
Any number of Sunday league players could have received the same ball from McGeady for the 4th goal and put it into the stands. On the other hand, Long controlled it, held off his marker, played the ball into space for himself and finished well.

[eirebhoy]

Again, I agree he could be a great striker, also again, if I found myself in either of those positions I would consider myself fortunate more than that we deserved it. Sometimes the balls fall for you, sometimes they don't
Positional sense is one of the most important attributes in a striker. People used to say Kenny Miller played well for Celtic but the midfield wasn't creating the chances. If he was in the positions to score the chances would have been created.

[geysir]

I heard Jim McLoughlin say that given the choice he would choose a central partnership of Dunne and O'Shea for the upcoming games.
He put a high value on that they know each others play better or complement each other better.
It's interesting when you hear a highly respected man like McLoughlin give his viewpoints contradicting what most fans first choice centre half partnership would be.

[theworm2345]

Then tell Stan you've an Irish granny and get on the plane to Slovakia...

If you think Long's goals were down to luck you have a limited knowledge about football.
I don't though :(. To be honest, I probably wouldn't have finished it, but any striker playing in college here or above anywhere else in the world would have. I played a match yesterday, I will say it again, if I had found myself in either of those positions I would be fortunate, A.) the keeper would've help it or pushed it over and the defender wouldn't have let me in untouched. B.) No defender worth his **** would let a guy who weighs 70 kgs muscle them off or not be between them and the goal when McGeady is going away from goal on his left foot? I've been playing twice a day for 2 weeks, if I don't understand it I must be pretty thick (which is certainly possible). I'll try to put my words in context more. Long scored two goals (that I consider fortunate) with that, along with the fact we beat a terrible team (on that night) 4 - 0, don't just assume we'll tear it up in Eastern Europe in 2 weeks or that Long will be the next Keane.

[Stuttgart88]

I heard Jim McLoughlin say that given the choice he would choose a central partnership of Dunne and O'Shea for the upcoming games.
He put a high value on that they know each others play better or complement each other better.
It's interesting when you hear a highly respected man like McLoughlin give his viewpoints contradicting what most fans first choice centre half partnership would be.
He was my choice for manager when Jack got the job.

I think McShane's been a breath of fresh air to the squad but I'd be happy with the back 4 that started against Denmark.

I think Carr's injury means that's not going to happen so McShane will start but while he brings a attitude that sets example there's always a nagging fear that he'll do something rash, just as you always fear that O'Shea will do something careless.

[paul_oshea]

He was my choice for manager when Jack got the job.

I think McShane's been a breath of fresh air to the squad but I'd be happy with the back 4 that started against Denmark.

I think Carr's injury means that's not going to happen so McShane will start but while he brings a attitude that sets example there's always a nagging fear that he'll do something rash, just as you always fear that O'Shea will do something careless.

couldn't agree more with that post, particularly the last point. I have to say looking at the highlights of the liverpool game, mcshane to me at least, appeared out of position alot.